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Offline wsscott  
#1 Posted : 27 November 2013 17:49:29(UTC)
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I have the original Mobile Station and the 66185 power supply which is 16 VA. I have a large oval track ( ie. about 14')and use feeder wiring. When I'm running one loco with cars on the track it seems fine, but when I add a second loco with cars which also have lighted features in them, they both are very sluggish. Is it because my power supply is only 16 VA? If a larger one is recommended, which one would work/interface properly with the Mobile Station? Thanks.
Offline Hoffmann  
#2 Posted : 27 November 2013 17:59:41(UTC)
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HI,

Your Mobilstation 1 has a max output of 1.2 Amps. A larger Transformer will not fix your current problem. There was also a Mobilstaion 1 with 1.9 Amp output.

This being said 2 Locomotives should have no problem running with a Mobilstaion 1. Try switching of the lights on your locomotives and see if that solves your problem. It could be that your locomotives need to be serviced (clean Motor and lubricate ).

How many Cars have Lights? That is most likely your problem.

Martin
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Offline wsscott  
#3 Posted : 27 November 2013 18:08:25(UTC)
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Its the King Ludwig set with 2 additional cars in the series. So its 5 cars plus the loco.
Offline H0  
#4 Posted : 27 November 2013 18:21:45(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wsscott Go to Quoted Post
Is it because my power supply is only 16 VA?
The power supply has 18 VA, so it's good for 1 A output. The Mobile Station has either 1.2 A or 1.9 A (you should be able to find out when you flip through the INFO screens of the MS1 - I forgot the letters you have to look for, but look for "1.2" or "1.9" (but AP: 1.2 is not the max. output)).
Some of the 1.9 A Mobile Stations can even show the track current.

The power supply is not stabilized, so voltage will drop under load. This could be the problem. A switching-mode power supply (with stable output voltage) would help in that case.

How many feeder tracks are there? This could also be a problem. More feeder wires should reduce or solve the problem.

In case of overload, the MS1 will go to STOP mode and will show a flash symbol on the display. Do you get the flash symbol when you run both trains?
Regards
Tom
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Offline wsscott  
#5 Posted : 27 November 2013 18:54:48(UTC)
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I"ve run the feeder wires about every 3 meters. I've never had it go into STOP mode or seen a symbol.
Offline Hoffmann  
#6 Posted : 27 November 2013 18:59:05(UTC)
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Hi,

Well your Problem is the 5 Carset with Lights. Since these are regular Lightbulbs ( no LED's ). You will see if you just run the 2 locomotives without the cars that

your Mobilstation will work as it should.

Martin
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#7 Posted : 27 November 2013 19:06:59(UTC)
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Any suggestions for a solution? Thanks for your help.
Offline Hoffmann  
#8 Posted : 27 November 2013 19:48:03(UTC)
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Hi,

The solution would be to get a better Digital Controller (# 6021, Mobilstation 2, CS1, CS2, Ecos and so on ).

Of course you would also need a more powerfull TRANSFORMER/POWERSUPPLY.

Martin


P.S. A Delta Controller with a transformer #6001 or #6646 could be used as a Booster as well.

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#9 Posted : 27 November 2013 21:07:53(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wsscott Go to Quoted Post
Any suggestions for a solution?
Try a switching-mode power supply.
The track output from an MS1 with stabilized power supply should be as good as that of an MS2 or CS2.

Did you flip through the pages under OPTIONS => INFO in your MS1?
The version with 1.2 A will be too weak for a third train. Getting an MS2 with the appropriate power supply will get you stable track voltage with reserves for a third train.

If you happen to have a switching-mode power supply with a suitable plug, you could give it a try to see if trains run better. If they do, you can still get a power supply (from Märklin or somewhere else). If they don't run better, then we'll have to search another potential cause.

Regards
Tom
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Offline BrandonVA  
#10 Posted : 27 November 2013 22:39:44(UTC)
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Hi,

You could also consider retrofitting the coaches with LEDs. I am not sure what style Bubls these coaches have. In some cases you csn get LED bulbs as adirect replacement that will plug/screw into the bulb sockets with no additional wiring or changes. I am not in a place where i can look up the bulb numbers right now, but sometumes you can find direct LED replacements for the Marklin bulb part number on Ebay or with Google.

-Brandon
Offline waorb  
#11 Posted : 28 November 2013 12:37:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: BrandonVA Go to Quoted Post
You could also consider retrofitting the coaches with LEDs.

My 2 cents.

Try this website:

http://www.trainaidsa.com/

Look for 'components+leds' link. They have a lot of options, inclusive Märklin style of positive/negative inverted bulbs.

Cheers,

Walter
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Offline wsscott  
#12 Posted : 30 November 2013 20:25:13(UTC)
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I also have a 6646 Transformer, and wondered if I could use it with the Mobile Station ver. 1? Would that work to solve my problem. Thanks
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#13 Posted : 30 November 2013 22:01:05(UTC)
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As has already been said, the problem is with your Mobile Station not having the capacity to supply more power to the track, so pairing it with a larger transformer may not fix your issue.

You should

- Check the Info on your MS1 (as Tom has already told you to do), to see whether you have the 1.2amp or the 1.9amp MS1 version. If you have the 1.9amp version, then a larger transformer will help. If the 1.2amp version, then it won't.
- Reduce the number of coaches with lights on the track. Replace lights with LED's (as has already been suggested).
- Try a stabilised power supply (as Tom has already suggested)
- Buy a MS2, CS2, Ecos, or a 2nd hand 6021 (as Martin and Tom have already suggested).

You already have been given your solutions, I suggest you go try them, and tell us which one worked for you.
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Offline wsscott  
#14 Posted : 01 December 2013 13:56:29(UTC)
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Thanks. I'll let everyone know.
Offline BrandonVA  
#15 Posted : 02 December 2013 16:27:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wsscott Go to Quoted Post
I also have a 6646 Transformer, and wondered if I could use it with the Mobile Station ver. 1? Would that work to solve my problem. Thanks


While as mentioned it won't solve the immediate problem, you can use this to power streetlights and accessories, keeping load off your MS1. They can use a common ground and isolated power feeds.

-Brandon
Offline wsscott  
#16 Posted : 15 December 2013 20:37:45(UTC)
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Sorry to take so long to get back. I'm running just the King Ludwig Tristan loco with the tinder and 3 cars. If I add the extra 2 cars to it, it seems too much weight for the Tristan loco. I don't have the other loco and cars on the set, so Tristan is all that's being operated. The speed seems the same whether the lights in the cars are on or off. The MobileStation is 60652. The Info shows the following information while Tristan is running:
HW:1.04010
BL:1.0
AP:1.04010
U:00027995
UT:18.5-18.9 V
UD:17.9-18.2V
OVC:1.2A

Do these numbers seem ok? I'm assuming that the last 3 items are probably the most relevant to my initial question for the forum. Thanks for your time.
Offline H0  
#17 Posted : 15 December 2013 20:45:37(UTC)
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IIRC there was a gear problem with that loco. I don't have that set, but I think other forum members will have more information.
If the MS was overloaded, it would switch to STOP automatically. Therefore I think another power supply will not improve the situation.
Regards
Tom
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Offline mike c  
#18 Posted : 15 December 2013 21:13:25(UTC)
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I have a few questions while we're at it.

From what I understand, the current generation of controllers now have AC adapters that convert AC to low voltage DC.
Is track voltage delivered in AC (19V) or is it now DC?
Which controllers still deliver AC (MS1, CS1)?

While we are on the topic of power supply and controllers, the MS2 has a special connection track for C Track. How would I connect such a controller to K or M Track?

Regarding the original question, if you can replace the older light bulb type coach lighting with LED lighting, this will reduce the consumption of each train, which will allow you to operate the two or three trains without problem.

Regards

Mike C
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#19 Posted : 15 December 2013 21:51:41(UTC)
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From what I understand, the current generation of controllers now have AC adapters that convert AC to low voltage DC.
Is track voltage delivered in AC (19V) or is it now DC?
Digital track current is neither AC nor DC, it's "digital current": constant voltage (as constant as the power supply allows), but alternating polarity with a frequency around 5000 Hz.
This applies to all Märklin digital controllers from 6020 through 60215.

Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
While we are on the topic of power supply and controllers, the MS2 has a special connection track for C Track. How would I connect such a controller to K or M Track?
The MS2 track box comes with spade connectors for either C track or I gauge track. You can cut the spade connectors off to connect it to M track, K track, N gauge track or whatever.
Regards
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