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Offline Mailme  
#1 Posted : 11 July 2024 03:53:39(UTC)
Mailme

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Hi, I’m new to Marklin CS3, (used Ecos 5200), for several years. On 2 rail track. I have replaced all, with C-Track 3 rail! Since using my Cs3, I have found once programmed to 29 function DCC, when a loco is placed on the main layout track, my loco is added again as a 15 function, mfx model. My affected locos are all ESU Lok sound ver.4.0. My new Marklin locos are fine with mfx, because they have full 29+ functions.
My question is…………. Can I stop my CS3+ doing this and running these on DCC?
Because of the mfx situation my functions, are not only limited to 15, but they are mixed up, wrong icons and some just do not work.
Any solution will be gratefully received. Please don’t tell me to get rid of my ESU locos, this is not an option. Most of my purchases will be the latest additions and mfx+ is fine…………. Thanks
Offline JohnjeanB  
#2 Posted : 11 July 2024 11:27:51(UTC)
JohnjeanB

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Hi Mailme (a first name would be great)
A warm welcome to this great forum where most of us provide an introduction ("Presentation"). This is not police stuff but rather to get better acquainted.
Here a Märklin fan from Ile de France (greater Paris) with HO, digital, Rocrail to control trains through a CS3.
A normal reaction of the CS3, when posing a loco on the rails, is to try connect using MFX (Top-most priority for Märklin) even if the loco is already connected using DCC.

Your choices:
- you may block the MFX protocol at the CS3 level (it would be a bad restriction on something very powerful). I authorise all 3 protocols
- you may block the MFX protocol at the loco level (depends on your decoder type). Märklin uses CV50 to block/authorise protocols. This helps barring the loco from any MFX registration

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A CS3 works great with Märklin decoders where it is the MOST user-friendly (the right icon, all the used fonctions, etc).

Notes:
- recent versions of the CS3 (2.5.1 and 2.5.2) have created issues with non-Märklin decoders. So beware. Märklin says it changes the firmware, I fdon't know but one decoder I have ESU, Loksound5 micro has been "modified" by the CS3 and now I have no more headlights.
- I believe it is best to disable the unused protocols at the loco level (depending on which decoder brand you are using the disabling may change)
- remember that you cannot disable the protocol you are presently using to talk to the loco (so you may want to connect using DCC to disable the MFX protocol) and then delete to possibly created MFX registration.
- avoid using MFX on accessories like 60832, 60842, MFX signals because it is best to remain in charge of assigning all addresses

Here is my layout in operation with digital and Rocrail (at the timle with a CS2 but since 3 years with a CS3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6WnhXPcRqI

Cheers
Jean
Offline rhfil  
#3 Posted : 11 July 2024 11:49:39(UTC)
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I have never done this and so can not be certain of the result but you might try it with one loco and if it works do the same with the rest. First go into system and "track prototcol" and turn off mfx. Then go into loco edit mode and "add loco" and add a loco that is having the problem and give it a unique name and address (this possibly should be done on the programming track) and then go back and turn the mfx back on. Then check out the new registry to see if it solves the problem or creates new ones. You can always delete it. By the way, it is possible to change the icons on locos by entering the "set up" mode of the "edit icon".
But Jean's solution is probably more efficient if you dare change cvv's. Plus my solution may result in your having two registrations for the same loco.
Offline JohnjeanB  
#4 Posted : 11 July 2024 13:15:31(UTC)
JohnjeanB

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Hi
Originally Posted by: rhfil Go to Quoted Post

But Jean's solution is probably more efficient if you dare change cvv's. Plus my solution may result in your having two registrations for the same loco.


No. you are absolutely right (and I have done it but forgotten). YES you must first disable (temporarily) the MFX protocol on the CS3. This is the only way to "talk to the loco" in DCC.
Then disable on the loco the MFX protocol, remove any possible MFX registration on the CS3
Finally you may authorise back the MFX protocol because on recent Märklin locos, it is so much more convenient.
Cheers
Jean

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Offline kiwiAlan  
#5 Posted : 11 July 2024 17:46:47(UTC)
kiwiAlan

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Originally Posted by: Mailme Go to Quoted Post
My affected locos are all ESU Lok sound ver.4.0.


Without knowing how old these decoders are it could be that they need a firmware update to handle more then 15 functions under mfx. Personally I would update each one to the current firmware level provided by the lokprogrammer.

Offline rhfil  
#6 Posted : 20 July 2024 03:34:08(UTC)
rhfil

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So rude of people to come in here asking for help and after we take the trouble to try and offer up a solution the response is crickets.
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