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Offline Puttputtmaru  
#1 Posted : 20 September 2022 17:04:44(UTC)
Puttputtmaru

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I am looking for a nice Orient express set of cars (ho scale) and the choice seems pretty slim right now

I have looked at the LS Models, which seems pretty nice, but putting a set together (era 3 or 4) seems to be almost an impossible task to figure out if they come in the same livery and then to find someone who carries them. (For the first time Modellbahn listed item in stock that were not thereCursing )

Any hint or advice would be appreciated.
Offline rhfil  
#2 Posted : 20 September 2022 21:15:04(UTC)
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Best bet is to pick one or two sets that you like and keep querying the resale sites. I found the 42754, 42790, and 42791 that way. It takes patience and perseverance but better than trying to accumulate the cars one at a time.
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Offline Puttputtmaru  
#3 Posted : 20 September 2022 21:19:14(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: rhfil Go to Quoted Post
Best bet is to pick one or two sets that you like and keep querying the resale sites. I found the 42754, 42790, and 42791 that way. It takes patience and perseverance but better than trying to accumulate the cars one at a time.


You might be right.

Can you confirm that I am making a good choice with the LS Models as far as quality and details? I never bought any so far.
Offline rhfil  
#4 Posted : 21 September 2022 00:59:59(UTC)
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I looked at the LS models which are gorgeous but never could find an available set and was a bit concerned about the price. I never did find anyone who could confirm that the quality was worth the price.
Offline Unholz  
#5 Posted : 21 September 2022 07:44:11(UTC)
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Since we are in a Märklin forum here, I assume that most members are accustomed to and/or like sturdy, "playable" models made preferably of metal and without heaps of finicky plastic add-on parts that fall off even when only being looked at. Having said that, I am not so sure that LS models are really the right thing for us and you. Sure, they certainly have a lot of details, but is this really a pleasure if you can only hold them carrying gloves? And the prices are truly elevated.

I think that traditional models by Rivarossi, Jouef or Märklin are a good choice if you want to run the stuff and not only look at the cars in a showcase.

I only have this LS Orient Express coach in my collection (for personal nostalgia reasons). It looks nice but will remain my only purchase of this brand:
https://eyro.ch/onlinesh...fo.php?products_id=10047
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Offline rmsailor  
#6 Posted : 21 September 2022 09:27:52(UTC)
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There are currently a good range of CIWL coaches available under the Rivarossi and Jouef names of Hornby International. Not perhaps as fine as LSM (moulded handrails) but still attractive models, certainly worth a look.

Bob M.
Offline rhfil  
#7 Posted : 21 September 2022 13:12:03(UTC)
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The 42754 set is up on the Catawiki auction site. I have this set and it is nice: https://www.catawiki.com...ss-set-of-carriages-ciwl
Offline Puttputtmaru  
#8 Posted : 21 September 2022 15:49:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Unholz Go to Quoted Post
Since we are in a Märklin forum here, I assume that most members are accustomed to and/or like sturdy, "playable" models made preferably of metal and without heaps of finicky plastic add-on parts that fall off even when only being looked at. Having said that, I am not so sure that LS models are really the right thing for us and you. Sure, they certainly have a lot of details, but is this really a pleasure if you can only hold them carrying gloves? And the prices are truly elevated.

I think that traditional models by Rivarossi, Jouef or Märklin are a good choice if you want to run the stuff and not only look at the cars in a showcase.

I only have this LS Orient Express coach in my collection (for personal nostalgia reasons). It looks nice but will remain my only purchase of this brand:
https://eyro.ch/onlinesh...fo.php?products_id=10047


Thanks I get your comment and appreciate your perspective. My new layout is not finished yet but it will be set up as my last to handle freight which I handle a lot and to have passenger cars run by, which I will not handle much but to put them together in the fiddle yard waiting for their appearance. So I am looking for high detail.

Thanks for your comment which confirm that LS MOdels are the quality I am looking for.
Offline Puttputtmaru  
#9 Posted : 21 September 2022 15:50:50(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: rhfil Go to Quoted Post
The 42754 set is up on the Catawiki auction site. I have this set and it is nice: https://www.catawiki.com...ss-set-of-carriages-ciwl


A Great find but era 1 is a little too early for my « mixed » layout, I will be running era 3 and mainly era 4 on mine.
Offline Puttputtmaru  
#10 Posted : 21 September 2022 15:55:54(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: rmsailor Go to Quoted Post
There are currently a good range of CIWL coaches available under the Rivarossi and Jouef names of Hornby International. Not perhaps as fine as LSM (moulded handrails) but still attractive models, certainly worth a look.

Bob M.


Thanks much for this. I am lucky that set LS Model 98014 is available at Modelbahn after they informed me that 98016 was not (great service as always). It is era 3 instead of 4 but I can live with that.

I could only find era 4 LS Model 49198 As a dining car, I hope it matches in livery with the earlier era. I am not a stickler for authenticity so we shall see.

Thanks for all the help guys.95C8BF5A-D9EB-47CF-ACF8-F3796837B485.jpeg
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Offline Dreadnought  
#11 Posted : 21 September 2022 20:51:27(UTC)
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I have a set of LS from the Nord set, and a CIWL dining car. I had to get different wheels for them, (Thank you Jacques Vuye). I also had to get different couplers. Even with that they are not great with S bends, as in moving onto a siding. They are beautiful models. They come with a variety of attachments, for example a folded diaphragm for the end car. I have had buffers break, and other small pieces.
I put the RAPIDO Easy Peezy battery lights in the dining car. It looks great, but eats batteries as I keep forgetting to turn it off.
They look wonderful behind the SNCF 241.
Offline Puttputtmaru  
#12 Posted : 21 September 2022 21:48:01(UTC)
Puttputtmaru

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Originally Posted by: Dreadnought Go to Quoted Post
I have a set of LS from the Nord set, and a CIWL dining car. I had to get different wheels for them, (Thank you Jacques Vuye). I also had to get different couplers. Even with that they are not great with S bends, as in moving onto a siding. They are beautiful models. They come with a variety of attachments, for example a folded diaphragm for the end car. I have had buffers break, and other small pieces.
I put the RAPIDO Easy Peezy battery lights in the dining car. It looks great, but eats batteries as I keep forgetting to turn it off.
They look wonderful behind the SNCF 241.


The SNCF 241 is magnificent, will have to wait for Märklin to put one out again or look for one as it will do justice to the orient express cars.

Did you use the LS Models AC wheels or some from an other brand?
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Offline Puttputtmaru  
#13 Posted : 21 September 2022 22:18:05(UTC)
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I found that it is still possible to have a trip on the Orient Express.

Have a look here: https://www.myluxurytrai...e-simplon-orient-express

Very nice pics to details the inside of our cars.

1061A0D4-1EE8-4D8A-88ED-217B010DBED4.jpeg
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Offline dickinsonj  
#14 Posted : 22 September 2022 01:54:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Puttputtmaru Go to Quoted Post

The SNCF 241 is magnificent, will have to wait for Märklin to put one out again or look for one as it will do justice to the orient express cars.

I have the opposite problem.

I have my beautiful 241, which has to steal coaches from other trains while I wait for just the right rake of coaches to come along.

I had hoped that Marklin would make these but it seems less likely all the time.

Good choice which I need to consider. I imagine that it really does look special behind the 241 which draws everyone's eyes when it is running.

Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
So many trains and so little time.
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Offline bph  
#15 Posted : 22 September 2022 13:00:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Puttputtmaru Go to Quoted Post

The SNCF 241 is magnificent, will have to wait for Märklin to put one out again or look for one as it will do justice to the orient express cars.

I have the opposite problem.

I have my beautiful 241, which has to steal coaches from other trains while I wait for just the right rake of coaches to come along.

I had hoped that Marklin would make these but it seems less likely all the time.

Good choice which I need to consider. I imagine that it really does look special behind the 241 which draws everyone's eyes when it is running.



That loco deserves some nice coaches :) Personally, I was lucky and purchased the 42795 and 42796 when they were released, so when the 39241 arrived I had the coaches. Had originally assigned the coaches to a different locomotive, but to swap to the 241, was a no-brainer.

Have actually considered some LS model's CIWL coaches for my DSB E 991, but haven't purchased anything yet.
The reason for that is the Nord Express route from Paris to Copenhagen.

As seen in this movie: note that the movie was recorded one or two years before the Dsb E class entered service, so don't know if it actually was used on that train, but it's a nice possibility. Watch from 4:30
https://www.danmarkpaafilm.dk/film/til-danmark-over-de-store-broer

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Offline rhfil  
#16 Posted : 22 September 2022 14:12:42(UTC)
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If you are patient and persistent these sets are available from online resellers.
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Offline Dreadnought  
#17 Posted : 22 September 2022 15:30:23(UTC)
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I bought my LS SNCF Nord set in Paris some years ago. I did not know I needed to have the wheel sets changed. It was through this forum I learned what I needed. Jacques Vuye made the needed changes for me. He compressed the gauge somehow. I also got Rocco “Universal couplers”. That helped immensely. I still have problems going onto a parallel siding. R 2 and R3 curves are no problem.

I too love to mix CIWL and DSG coaches as on the Nord Express. I wish Marklin would do the coaches for it. Early to mid 1950’s would be lovely. At present I mix assorted tin plate 24 cm models.

The Marklin CIWL set of the wood cars painted blue looks very nice behind the 241.
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Offline rmsailor  
#18 Posted : 22 September 2022 17:29:45(UTC)
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With regard to the availability or otherwise of CIWL coaches the following taken from a LSM brochure which I have which lists all the CIWL coaches produced or planned may be of interest.

"Another drawback do form the copyrights the group "wggons lits diffusion" is claiming. To license these rights,a fee of ten percent of the sale priceis due to the group, they ask for a minimum of 20.000 Euros per year. This has a double influence. These fees increase the sales price of our models and the lack of moneydelays further investment."

The brochure dates from 2014 and notes that the program of CIWL coaches had started six years before.

Bob M.

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Offline dickinsonj  
#19 Posted : 23 September 2022 00:53:47(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bph Go to Quoted Post
That loco deserves some nice coaches :) Personally, I was lucky and purchased the 42795 and 42796 when they were released, so when the 39241 arrived I had the coaches.


I have those coaches in brown from the set with the Baden IV h loco, which is one of the sets I use with the 241. But that Baden loco is so nice that I hate to see it sit in the siding while watching its coaches being hauled by the 241.

I considered the blue ones but I have had a fair number of issues with these converted Trix coaches and I was not ready to buy another set. Someday I will work on fixing the fine details that I broke working on the lighting, once I gain confidence that I have those interior lights sorted once and for all.

Maybe Märklin will take pity on me and finally produce a Nord set, although they mostly seem to do nice coach sets as Insider items these days and I think they might be done with 241 variants.

Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
So many trains and so little time.
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