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Offline CN  
#1 Posted : 09 April 2004 18:38:51(UTC)
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confusedDoes anyone here have information about " The Orient Express Coaches" made by Marklin? Eg. Production Yr, Type of Loco suitable for these coaches...
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Offline McLae  
#2 Posted : 09 April 2004 20:19:14(UTC)
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#3 Posted : 10 April 2004 23:56:53(UTC)
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Do you mean the 42754 "International Luxury train" coach set? It was called like that since the French company ACCOR owns the CIWL (Compagnie Internationale Wagon-Lits) brand name and started to sue all model makers for the use of the CIWL logo and the Orient Express name....

The set came in 1998/99, if I am not wrong, and a suitable loco would be an S3/6 or S10 for the era... Märklin made a creme/brown S3/6 that would be lovely... I think it was 33/37185...

As an interesting side note - you can find some of the old Orient Express sleep coaches in the north of Sweden nowadays...Smile
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#4 Posted : 11 April 2004 06:02:37(UTC)
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You can also them find for sale at ebay from time to time.
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Offline jeehring  
#5 Posted : 13 April 2004 20:08:15(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by HueyCE
<br />You can also them find for sale at ebay from time to time.


yes but ....concerning the ref 42754 very rarely ...unfortunately not at an interesting price ! This set is wonderfull , I like it very much...On E-bay you can find separate boxes of TRIX models equipped with marklin pick up shoe for lighting....
CN ,
Don't forget : the blue livery for wooden coaches started to be progressively serviced at the begining of the 1920 's ( 1922 , 1923....)to match with new metal coaches . At the same time , these wooden coaches were progressively replaced by modern metal coaches .So it was not impossible to find some mixed train, specially with the restaurant coach in a different color .
The ref 42754 is a brown livery set , so , before 1920....In germany , you could find them with S10 and S 3/6 in a paint scheme of their own layout , for example with a Bavarian livery in Bavaria ...
you can see some of these coaches ( not all ) here
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/...l/ciwl_materiel_teck.htm
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#6 Posted : 13 April 2004 20:26:31(UTC)
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ask for the RH 310 LOK from OBB in Austria around the 20 's - correct for orient express in Austria at this time...clik and roll down here for a picture of the actual Roco model ( existing for three rails , I think....) :
http://www.locorevue.com...01974&Affichage=true


It is not Marklin .... It's a plastic body .... A little fragile but nice...... expensive too- between 400 / 500 E in germany -...(this Austrian livery is a limited range for 2004 )You have to ask for mimimum radius curve too .

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Offline PeFu  
#7 Posted : 14 April 2004 18:44:27(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by HueyCE
<br />You can also them find for sale at ebay from time to time.

Here is one 42754 "International Luxury train" coach set, on the Swedish "Tradera" auction site, containing the 5 cars:

http://www.tradera.com/auction/aid_5641984

The "Buy now" ("Köp nu") price 2400 SEK equals approx. 260 EUR. The seller is well-known, and you may request several pictures on "Kontakta säljaren".

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#8 Posted : 16 April 2004 18:22:06(UTC)
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for a set in good condition , I mean whithout missing parts , in a similar state as à new one ....260 E is a correct price . No hesitation !
260 E is the Koll's book cotation . The cotations of this book don't necessarly correspond to realities of trains market , but...it gives you an idea , when you are not sure . If a seller doesn't know the possible value of an item , he refers to the Koll's too.....! ( it's sometimes funny .....There are some wellknown typo on the Koll's - a dozen - or more - of mistakes ...It happen's that the seller is reproducing the exact typo as a selling price....It is a way to recognize how do they work out the price......But in the present case it is not a typo !! )

Anyway , ask the dealer if there is no missing parts specially on the roof ( many fragile little parts for ventilation or other guardrails...), ask about the inscription in gold lettering.....

I repeat : 260 E is actually a reasonable price ! Some people have paid more than that for this set...

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Valuations about production = around 2000 / 3000 ex no more , may be less...( only " valuations " .....)

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Offline Frostie  
#9 Posted : 17 April 2004 15:41:31(UTC)
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Excellent looking car set - It looks like a different paint job on my favorite - "Kaiser Wilhelm Cars" !

Based upon pricing for the "Kaiser" cars it is a good price. One thing to make sure of however is that the set does have all of the little vents / lights that have a tendency to come loose in the box over time.

This set is also a sheet metal set which makes it more expensive, and more worthwhile.
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#10 Posted : 09 August 2004 11:01:34(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Webmaster
<br />The International Luxury train Orient Express ...
... and a suitable loco would be an S3/6 or S10 for the era ...


Are these two the only M locos matching that famous train ?

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Offline jeehring  
#11 Posted : 19 August 2004 15:34:42(UTC)
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...in fact , I have done some mistakes .....
Untill now , ORIENT EXPRESS has never been in Prussia . So , S10 is not correct , I think . Don't forget we are before first world war . After the first war , orient express never crossed germany anymore ( a new route was crossing Switzerland - with stop in BALE ); that's the reason why the germans created Mitropa Luxury trains .
So , for Orient Express , all Bavarian Loks , or Wurtemberger locks for fast trains could be all right because this train was crossing south Germany only .That gives : class C ( ref 37113 or 34113 ), S 3/6 ( 37181 or 33181 )respectively in Wurtenberger and Bavarian livery....
Why not - sometimes - a wurtemberger T 18 ( ref 37071) as substitute for " repair service " on short distance between two stops ? Must be rare , anyway ! Orient Express was a fast train for long distance .....
One of the best choice today , could finally be the new model from Brawa : a S2/6 in Bavarian livery ( not the one with DRG number )

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#12 Posted : 20 August 2004 09:36:02(UTC)
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Roland, that answers my question precisely - many thanks Smile!

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