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Alberto Pedrini		#1 Posted : 31 December 2006 13:17:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/07/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,448 Location: Italy		Hi friends, I have bought this coaches set produced by Hornby Rivarossi. In italy some rivetconunters really hammered them. What do you think about? Is their colours so wrong?
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Sander van Wijk		#2 Posted : 31 December 2006 13:24:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,248 Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands; Göteborg, Sverige,		Hi Alberto, I think they look pretty nice. The colour does not seem to be so bad compared to other models of coaches of that time. Futhermore: some people consider a good model to have exactly the same colour (RAL) as the prototype. However, this could be an illusion, due to the small scale of a model, the colour has to be adjusted (objectively, say in RAL) to look the same as the original. (Which is subjective) I've read a lot of information on this colour thing including adjustment factors for each scale somewhere... I'll try to look it up for you. Anyway, I think they look pretty nice. Enjoy them!
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RayF		#3 Posted : 31 December 2006 13:56:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,839 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		If they are meant to be the same colours as the current Orient Express, and I don't see why not, then they are quite close in colour as far as I can remember from a couple of months ago. Compare to this picture: I didn't know the Rivarossi coaches had been released yet. I've been waiting for them to appear so I can order them. Ray
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RayF		#4 Posted : 31 December 2006 13:59:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,839 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Alberto, have you had a chance to try them on C-track curves? Will they go round 1st radius? I want to get them but I need to know if they'll run on my layout. Thanks, Ray
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Alberto Pedrini		#5 Posted : 31 December 2006 14:44:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/07/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,448 Location: Italy		The criticism are about the blu color (too dark) The roof color (only grey or white ok, not ivory) The puffer color (white instead black) The inscriptions ( no good the red 3D effect) I like them very much and don't think the same. And I'm a dreamer too, this why you can see a BR10 pulling the convoy [:p] A test on R1 radius will come soon.
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stephenbb		#6 Posted : 31 December 2006 15:12:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/11/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,836 Location: Trumbull, CT		The new refurbished cars which are now in use have a high quality finish which was not available when first produced. What was prototypical is not hte same as the current. If your happy with the cars then enjoy. I have the same set which I picked up about thirty years ago and think they are great, except for the wheel sets which some day I might change.
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PierreGILLARD		#7 Posted : 31 December 2006 16:31:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/11/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,346 Location: Longueuil, Quebec		They look beautiful anyway. Criticisms are so easy to be said ... Just visit a aircraft modeller club and listen for instance ! Have fun with your coaches ! Pierre.
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Alberto Pedrini		#8 Posted : 31 December 2006 23:27:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/07/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,448 Location: Italy		Perfect behaviour on C track R1 and on M track turnoust too. They have hoods with tip-up bases and springy buffers. The roof color is similar to the Mitropa coaches. Here a video in the italian section of the long travel http://www.marklinfan.com/video/soe.wmv
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nevw		#9 Posted : 01 January 2007 00:50:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		THey are very nice Alberto. If they Look Good and Run Good then they are good.!! Nev
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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amalongi		#10 Posted : 01 January 2007 01:16:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/12/2006(UTC) Posts: 55 Location: Richfield, WI		Very Nice Alberto! We you able to purchase these as three rail AC cars or did you or your dealer switch out the trucks? In the U.S., I can only find them listed as 2 rail so far. Also, which set or sets do you have? In the U.S., I see two three-car sets listed (HR4010 and HR 4020) along with a single car HR4011, which is apparently a dining car. Both three car sets contain a baggage car. Tony A.
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Alberto Pedrini		#11 Posted : 01 January 2007 02:10:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/07/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,448 Location: Italy		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by amalongi <br />Very Nice Alberto! We you able to purchase these as three rail AC cars or did you or your dealer switch out the trucks? In the U.S., I can only find them listed as 2 rail so far. Also, which set or sets do you have? In the U.S., I see two three-car sets listed (HR4010 and HR 4020) along with a single car HR4011, which is apparently a dining car. Both three car sets contain a baggage car. Tony A. Hi tony they are the 4010 and 4020 sets. I didn't change the wheels, but if you want to do it, use the standard wheel of the Marklin coaches, they have the same size.
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mmervine		#12 Posted : 01 January 2007 02:12:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,884 Location: Keene, NH		Alberto: These look really nice! Do you know if they will clear catenaty poles on R1 track? r/mark
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HueyCE		#13 Posted : 01 January 2007 08:08:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,528 Location: Groton, Connecticut		I think the coaches look very nice, but then again I'm not a rivet counter. Probably why I see nothing wrong with the BR 10 pulling the coaches. Ira
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steventrain		#14 Posted : 01 January 2007 11:12:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,606 Location: United Kingdom		Very nice Orient Express.
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Alberto Pedrini		#15 Posted : 01 January 2007 13:20:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/07/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,448 Location: Italy		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mmervine <br />Alberto: These look really nice! Do you know if they will clear catenaty poles on R1 track? r/mark Sorry I cannot test this, but they are shorter than the marklin 27 cm coaches so they must not have problems.
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xxup		#16 Posted : 02 January 2007 00:06:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,472 Location: Australia		I tried to access the Rivarossi site - Is there are link to these wagons available anywhere?
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RayF		#17 Posted : 02 January 2007 00:45:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,839 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		You can find them here: http://www.hornbyinterna...m/ProductList.aspx?bid=4 Ray
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efel		#18 Posted : 02 January 2007 09:40:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 800		Hi Alberto, Very nice set. Is it easy to add lighting, with pick up shoe? Any problem on C track turnouts? My Atalia Orient express cars sometimes derail on my C turnouts and I intend to change them. Fred
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Alberto Pedrini		#19 Posted : 02 January 2007 11:02:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/07/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,448 Location: Italy		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by efel <br />Hi Alberto, 1) Is it easy to add lighting, with pick up shoe? 2) Any problem on C track turnouts? 1) Not easy 2) No problem
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xxup		#20 Posted : 02 January 2007 11:06:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,472 Location: Australia		Gasp.... They are 143 EURO... See http://www.schoedel-gmbh...iv-HR4010&t=temartic There is also a restaurant car... See http://www.schoedel-gmbh...iv-HR4011&t=temartic
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Alberto Pedrini		#21 Posted : 02 January 2007 11:11:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/07/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,448 Location: Italy		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by xxup <br />Gasp.... They are 143 EURO... See http://www.schoedel-gmbh...iv-HR4010&t=temartic There is also a restaurant car... See http://www.schoedel-gmbh...iv-HR4011&t=temartic Play attention, the pics are of the old models, the price is good look at here http://www.quai59.com/zoom.php?...25ae7e0d5ad332af1c581b2a and here http://www.web.mcschueler.de
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al_pignolo		#22 Posted : 02 January 2007 15:35:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/09/2005(UTC) Posts: 904 Location: bologna, BO		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Sander van Wijk <br />Hi Alberto, I've read a lot of information on this colour thing including adjustment factors for each scale somewhere... I'll try to look it up for you. Anyway, I think they look pretty nice. Enjoy them! If you find it, I would be interested on it. I remember that also Marklin models were a little lighter than the right color until some years ago... Alberto, some people trash all new horby-rivarossi products... I think it's nostalgia for the old producer... [|)] Besides, here in Italy the rivet-counting is a very common sport... I don't know all over the rest of the world, but, every time I show some new marklin model to my friends they find lots of imperfections... [:(!][:(!]
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Alberto Pedrini		#23 Posted : 02 January 2007 22:29:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/07/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,448 Location: Italy		I agree, it's the Italian DC men sport.
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