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Offline Alberto Pedrini  
#1 Posted : 31 December 2006 13:17:55(UTC)
Alberto Pedrini

Italy   
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Location: Italy
Hi friends,
I have bought this coaches set produced by Hornby Rivarossi.
In italy some rivetconunters really hammered them.
What do you think about? Is their colours so wrong?

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Alberto

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Offline Sander van Wijk  
#2 Posted : 31 December 2006 13:24:19(UTC)
Sander van Wijk

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Hi Alberto,

I think they look pretty nice. The colour does not seem to be so bad compared to other models of coaches of that time. Futhermore: some people consider a good model to have exactly the same colour (RAL) as the prototype. However, this could be an illusion, due to the small scale of a model, the colour has to be adjusted (objectively, say in RAL) to look the same as the original. (Which is subjective) I've read a lot of information on this colour thing including adjustment factors for each scale somewhere... I'll try to look it up for you.

Anyway, I think they look pretty nice. Enjoy them!

Sander
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Offline RayF  
#3 Posted : 31 December 2006 13:56:32(UTC)
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If they are meant to be the same colours as the current Orient Express, and I don't see why not, then they are quite close in colour as far as I can remember from a couple of months ago. Compare to this picture:

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I didn't know the Rivarossi coaches had been released yet. I've been waiting for them to appear so I can order them.

Ray
Ray
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Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
Offline RayF  
#4 Posted : 31 December 2006 13:59:20(UTC)
RayF

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Alberto, have you had a chance to try them on C-track curves? Will they go round 1st radius?

I want to get them but I need to know if they'll run on my layout.

Thanks,

Ray
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
Offline Alberto Pedrini  
#5 Posted : 31 December 2006 14:44:56(UTC)
Alberto Pedrini

Italy   
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The criticism are about
the blu color (too dark)
The roof color (only grey or white ok, not ivory)
The puffer color (white instead black)
The inscriptions ( no good the red 3D effect)
I like them very much and don't think the same.
And I'm a dreamer too, this why you can see a BR10 pulling the convoy [:p]winkCool
A test on R1 radius will come soon.
Alberto

Marklinfan Club Italia
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Offline stephenbb  
#6 Posted : 31 December 2006 15:12:03(UTC)
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The new refurbished cars which are now in use have a high quality finish which was not available when first produced. What was prototypical is not hte same as the current. If your happy with the cars then enjoy.
I have the same set which I picked up about thirty years ago and think they are great, except for the wheel sets which some day I might change.
Stephen(USA)
ETE,NMRA,MEA
Offline PierreGILLARD  
#7 Posted : 31 December 2006 16:31:19(UTC)
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They look beautiful anyway. Criticisms are so easy to be said ... Just visit a aircraft modeller club and listen for instance !

Have fun with your coaches !

Pierre.
Offline Alberto Pedrini  
#8 Posted : 31 December 2006 23:27:21(UTC)
Alberto Pedrini

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Perfect behaviour on C track R1 and on M track turnoust too.
They have hoods with tip-up bases and springy buffers.
The roof color is similar to the Mitropa coaches.

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Here a video in the italian section of the long travel

http://www.marklinfan.com/video/soe.wmv
Alberto

Marklinfan Club Italia
www.marklinfan.net
Offline nevw  
#9 Posted : 01 January 2007 00:50:27(UTC)
nevw

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THey are very nice Alberto.
If they Look Good and Run Good then they are good.!!
Nev
NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders
and a hose pipe on the aorta
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Offline amalongi  
#10 Posted : 01 January 2007 01:16:59(UTC)
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Very Nice Alberto!

We you able to purchase these as three rail AC cars or did you or your dealer switch out the trucks? In the U.S., I can only find them listed as 2 rail so far. Also, which set or sets do you have? In the U.S., I see two three-car sets listed (HR4010 and HR 4020) along with a single car HR4011, which is apparently a dining car. Both three car sets contain a baggage car.

Tony A.
Offline Alberto Pedrini  
#11 Posted : 01 January 2007 02:10:10(UTC)
Alberto Pedrini

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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by amalongi
<br />Very Nice Alberto!

We you able to purchase these as three rail AC cars or did you or your dealer switch out the trucks? In the U.S., I can only find them listed as 2 rail so far. Also, which set or sets do you have? In the U.S., I see two three-car sets listed (HR4010 and HR 4020) along with a single car HR4011, which is apparently a dining car. Both three car sets contain a baggage car.

Tony A.


Hi tony they are the 4010 and 4020 sets.
I didn't change the wheels, but if you want to do it, use the standard wheel of the Marklin coaches, they have the same size.
Alberto

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Offline mmervine  
#12 Posted : 01 January 2007 02:12:16(UTC)
mmervine

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Alberto:

These look really nice! Do you know if they will clear catenaty poles on R1 track?

r/mark
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Offline HueyCE  
#13 Posted : 01 January 2007 08:08:49(UTC)
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I think the coaches look very nice, but then again I'm not a rivet counter. Probably why I see nothing wrong with the BR 10 pulling the coaches.
Ira
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Offline steventrain  
#14 Posted : 01 January 2007 11:12:20(UTC)
steventrain

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Very nice Orient Express.
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
Offline Alberto Pedrini  
#15 Posted : 01 January 2007 13:20:49(UTC)
Alberto Pedrini

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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mmervine
<br />Alberto:

These look really nice! Do you know if they will clear catenaty poles on R1 track?

r/mark


Sorry I cannot test this, but they are shorter than the marklin 27 cm coaches so they must not have problems.
Alberto

Marklinfan Club Italia
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Offline xxup  
#16 Posted : 02 January 2007 00:06:24(UTC)
xxup

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I tried to access the Rivarossi site - Is there are link to these wagons available anywhere?
Adrian
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Offline RayF  
#17 Posted : 02 January 2007 00:45:37(UTC)
RayF

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Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
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Offline efel  
#18 Posted : 02 January 2007 09:40:02(UTC)
efel

France   
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Hi Alberto,
Very nice set.
Is it easy to add lighting, with pick up shoe?
Any problem on C track turnouts? My Atalia Orient express cars sometimes derail on my C turnouts and I intend to change them.
Fred
Offline Alberto Pedrini  
#19 Posted : 02 January 2007 11:02:57(UTC)
Alberto Pedrini

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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by efel
<br />Hi Alberto,
1) Is it easy to add lighting, with pick up shoe?
2) Any problem on C track turnouts?


1) Not easy
2) No problem
Alberto

Marklinfan Club Italia
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Offline xxup  
#20 Posted : 02 January 2007 11:06:15(UTC)
xxup

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Gasp.... They are 143 EURO... See http://www.schoedel-gmbh...iv-HR4010&t=temartic

There is also a restaurant car... See
http://www.schoedel-gmbh...iv-HR4011&t=temartic

Adrian
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Offline Alberto Pedrini  
#21 Posted : 02 January 2007 11:11:41(UTC)
Alberto Pedrini

Italy   
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by xxup
<br />Gasp.... They are 143 EURO... See http://www.schoedel-gmbh...iv-HR4010&t=temartic

There is also a restaurant car... See
http://www.schoedel-gmbh...iv-HR4011&t=temartic


Play attention, the pics are of the old models, the price is good

look at here http://www.quai59.com/zoom.php?...25ae7e0d5ad332af1c581b2a

and here

http://www.web.mcschueler.de
Alberto

Marklinfan Club Italia
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Offline al_pignolo  
#22 Posted : 02 January 2007 15:35:46(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Sander van Wijk
<br />Hi Alberto,

I've read a lot of information on this colour thing including adjustment factors for each scale somewhere... I'll try to look it up for you.

Anyway, I think they look pretty nice. Enjoy them!



If you find it, I would be interested on it. I remember that also Marklin models were a little lighter than the right color until some years ago...

Alberto, some people trash all new horby-rivarossi products... I think it's nostalgia for the old producer... [|)]
Besides, here in Italy the rivet-counting is a very common sport... I don't know all over the rest of the world, but, every time I show some new marklin model to my friends they find lots of imperfections... [:(!][:(!]
Offline Alberto Pedrini  
#23 Posted : 02 January 2007 22:29:15(UTC)
Alberto Pedrini

Italy   
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Location: Italy
I agree, it's the Italian DC men sport.
Alberto

Marklinfan Club Italia
www.marklinfan.net
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