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Offline Antonio21  
#1 Posted : 09 April 2023 16:58:46(UTC)
Antonio21

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bom dia a todos,
sou principiante no sistema digital,e gostaria de começar a actualizar locomotivas mais antigas,a minha pergunta é posso só substituir o motor ou tenho que o fazer adicionando um decoder,a minha intençao é fazer as coisas aos poucos, alguém me pode ajudar, boa páscoa e obrigado,
António 21
Offline ccranium  
#2 Posted : 09 April 2023 22:07:59(UTC)
ccranium


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Olá Antonio. Se for possível para si, tente traduzir a sua publicação para inglês e deverá ver muitas respostas; analógico para digital especialistas em conversão são numerosos neste Fórum!
Eu sou um cara analógico, então infelizmente eu não sou de ajuda (e estou usando um tradutor on-line para responder a você!)
Cumprimentos e Feliz Páscoa para você também.
Adriano

Hello Antonio. If it's possible for you, try translating your post into English and you should see lots of replies; analog to digital conversion experts are numerous in this Forum! I'm an analog guy, so unfortunately I'm not of help (and I'm using an on-line translator to reply to you!)
Best regards and Happy Easter to you as well.
Brian
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Offline cintrans  
#3 Posted : 10 April 2023 02:40:29(UTC)
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Antonio

The simple beginners version is that you can not substitute a older 3 pole motor with a new 5 pole motor without installing also a decoder.
The 3 pole has a field coil (= AC motor --> analog) while the 5 pole uses a permanent magnet (= DC motor --> digital) and needs a decoder to work.....

.... well .... you could of course switch to analog DC also, but that's another story....

So, with that out of the way, next depends on how technically handy you are and what your budget and goal would be. A good starter kit with a 5 pole conversion motor and a simple decoder is the # 60760 kit, mind you this is only to convert DCM (Drum Collector Motor) type locomotives.

Regards
Jean-Pierre
Offline Antonio21  
#4 Posted : 10 April 2023 12:45:41(UTC)
Antonio21

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Originally Posted by: ccranium Go to Quoted Post
Olá Antonio. Se for possível para si, tente traduzir a sua publicação para inglês e deverá ver muitas respostas; analógico para digital especialistas em conversão são numerosos neste Fórum!
Eu sou um cara analógico, então infelizmente eu não sou de ajuda (e estou usando um tradutor on-line para responder a você!)
Cumprimentos e Feliz Páscoa para você também.
Adriano

Hello Antonio. If it's possible for you, try translating your post into English and you should see lots of replies; analog to digital conversion experts are numerous in this Forum! I'm an analog guy, so unfortunately I'm not of help (and I'm using an on-line translator to reply to you!)
Best regards and Happy Easter to you as well.
Brian


Thank you all
I'll try to write in english. But one thing i have already learned. Not possible change the motor without adding a decoder. As i have several kits only for the motors wich decoder i should buy?
Thank you all
António
Offline jerdenberg  
#5 Posted : 13 April 2023 09:16:08(UTC)
jerdenberg

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Joined: 10/01/2005(UTC)
Posts: 1,011
Location: Den Helder, Noord-Holland
Hi Antonio,

There are many options for decoders, and preferences vary between users, so you may get different answers from different responders.

One thing to consider is what protocol(s) for communicating with the control unit the decoder should understand: mm, mfx, dcc (descriptions of differences between the systems can be found online).

The number of controllable functions can be a deciding factor too, as is the question of having or not having sound.

A good next step would be to decide for a specific loco what you would want in terms of functions, then describe the loco and your desired options here. I'm sure that will generate valuable advice.

Jeroen

P.S. It would be helpful to make the topic title more specific, e.g., "Needing advice on updating old locos" or the like.

Edited by user 14 April 2023 09:14:12(UTC)  | Reason: Addition

Figomima division, UP; mostly figment of my imagination yet.
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