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Offline mbarreto  
#1 Posted : 19 December 2009 02:59:40(UTC)
mbarreto

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I have used, and still use mostly Märklin short couplers, but the coupling fails several times. This happens with smooth or non-smooth operation. I think it is due to exactly the same height from rails or excessive difference in height, damage or wrong positioned with respect to the car.

I found the Roco couplers (not the short couplers) to have extremely smooth and reliable action, and they can be easily decoupled with the decoupling track, the against being that the coupling is not so short as the Märklin (anyway is not much longer).

The Fleischman short coupler are really short but they are not smooth for coupling and they don´t work well with the Märklin decoupling track (this last issue could easily be solved by Fleischman...).

I have not tested yet the Roco short couplers. I don´t know if the dcoupling track works ok with them!

Has anyone tested the later with Märklin rolling stock and got good results, even with the decoupling track?
Or have you tested some other couplers that work as good as the Roco and are shorter?

Best regards,
Miguel
Mostly Märklin H0.


Offline Armando  
#2 Posted : 19 December 2009 05:29:32(UTC)
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You're very right about the Märklin short couplers, Miguel. But I would say that they work fine most of the time. However, you will see that it gets even worse with the Märklin current-conducting short couplers. They can be nightmarish!

As for Roco, I assume that you are referring here to the "universal" couplers #40395. I have no experience with these, and I am glad to hear that they perform well on the uncoupling track. The short coupling #40270 is the one I use on all my Roco 303mm passenger coaches. They perform very satisfactorily most of the times. However, if the consist is rather heavy (more than 6 coaches), they could tend to snap sometimes on the way. And they cannot be uncoupled remotedly via the Märklin uncoupler track, unfortunately. The bright side is that they fit very closely and can be uncoupled just by lifting the coach or car with your hand (same as Fleischmann couplers).

Actually, the Fleischmann short couplers are my preferred ones. However, they do not easily fit into the Roco NEM socket on the coaches. It requires some extra pressure and the result is not so good. They work best with either Märklin or Trix. And my experience has been that they can be uncoupled with the Märklin uncoupling track.

Hope this helps.
Best regards,
Armando García

Offline kimballthurlow  
#3 Posted : 19 December 2009 09:59:35(UTC)
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Interesting topic Miguel. I assume you are talking about couplers that are compatible with the NEM standard coupler box.

I have been using the latest style Märklin coupler, and I find them very good generally.
However they have shortcomings:
- they will not couple on curves
- sometimes, they do not couple well with earlier style Märklin couplers.

While talking couplers, perhaps someone might know what this is? It looks like a very positive coupler. The half bar is metal.

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I also found the older Fleischmann coupler excellent, it is very simple, and robust.

UserPostedImage

regards
Kimball
HO Scale - Märklin (ep II-III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail HO (Queensland Australia, UK, USA) - 3 rail OO (English Hornby Dublo) - old clockwork O gauge - Live Steam 90mm (3.1/2 inch) gauge.
Offline Philip  
#4 Posted : 19 December 2009 10:29:54(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by kimballthurlow
<br />Interesting topic Miguel. I assume you are talking about couplers that are compatible with the NEM standard coupler box.

I have been using the latest style Märklin coupler, and I find them very good generally.
However they have shortcomings:
- they will not couple on curves
- sometimes, they do not couple well with earlier style Märklin couplers.

While talking couplers, perhaps someone might know what this is? It looks like a very positive coupler. The half bar is metal.

UserPostedImage




This is a ROCO item
See this:
http://roco.co.at/index....&artikelnummer=40395

Philip
Philip.

Let's keep it simple.
MFDWPL
Offline river6109  
#5 Posted : 19 December 2009 11:01:12(UTC)
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these are very good couplers and I use them on most of my carriages.
The extra function these couplers have is, the halfbar locks on both sides behind a hook, a coupler which will not uncouple but again some carriages buffers lie to low and it interferes with the coupling and can cause de-railments (very rare and seldom).
Fleischmann & Roco couplings have a stiffer couplingshaft fork and therefore under heavy load they do not glide out of the couplingshaft, whereas Märklin couplings have a tendency to seperate.


UserPostedImage


UserPostedImage

regards.,
John

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Offline kimballthurlow  
#6 Posted : 19 December 2009 11:36:56(UTC)
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John, as you describe, both couplers are a positive lock on the little hook on the Roco 40395 universal coupler.
I really like that coupler. I guess it couples OK to most Märklin couplers in operation?

regards
Kimball
HO Scale - Märklin (ep II-III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail HO (Queensland Australia, UK, USA) - 3 rail OO (English Hornby Dublo) - old clockwork O gauge - Live Steam 90mm (3.1/2 inch) gauge.
Offline H0  
#7 Posted : 19 December 2009 12:55:15(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by kimballthurlow
<br />I guess it couples OK to most Märklin couplers in operation?

Because of the halfbar it doesn't couple well with standard hook and loop couplers (they decouple on the first turn to the left).
I use it for all non-Märklin items and it works great.

Couples easily with Märklin short couplers.
Regards
Tom
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Offline Rinus  
#8 Posted : 19 December 2009 13:21:12(UTC)
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I'm actually replacing all my Marklin short couplers / Brawa couplers, Roco short couplers, ACME couplers etc with the Roco Universal coupler as decriberd by kimballthurlow and river.

The Marklin short couplers dont mix with ACME coaches (too short), and tend to uncouple in climbs with heavy loads.

The Brawa standard couplers are a nightmare. They are rubbish. Wont spend any words on them.

ACME couplers are very sturdy (metal??) but too long

The Roco short couplers tend to uncouple with heavy loads or in climbs. Cant have that.

I see the Roco universal couplers as a nice alternative: right lenght, sturdy, wont uncouple.
Offline river6109  
#9 Posted : 19 December 2009 13:32:15(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by H0
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by kimballthurlow
<br />I guess it couples OK to most Märklin couplers in operation?

Because of the halfbar it doesn't couple well with standard hook and loop couplers (they decouple on the first turn to the left).
I use it for all non-Märklin items and it works great.

Couples easily with Märklin short couplers.

Tom,
your observations are absolutely correct.
mixing Märklin short couplers with Roco (as mentioned) although they couple easy, I prefer, either both Märklin or both Roco.

What frustrates me sometimes you take a video and the Märklin couplings wont couple or uncouple.

regards.,
John
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Offline PierreGILLARD  
#10 Posted : 19 December 2009 15:30:04(UTC)
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For my American rolling stock, I use Kadee couplers. For those of you interested in previous topics about these couplers, simply introduce "Kadee" in the search field.

Pierre.
Offline mbarreto  
#11 Posted : 20 December 2009 00:27:52(UTC)
mbarreto

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After my experience and reading your appends the Roco universal couplers seems to be the ones I will adopt for all my non-Märklin wagons. Anyway I will not mix them with the Marklin short couplers. When I want really short coupling and without a strong need to couple and uncouple frequently I will use the Fleischman short couplers.
The problem for the Fleischman short couplers on the Marklin uncoupler track are the holes on the movable piece of the uncoupler track.
Best regards,
Miguel
Mostly Märklin H0.


Offline Dreadnought  
#12 Posted : 21 December 2009 01:45:13(UTC)
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I have been planning to use Marklin current conducting couplers on my 43100, and 43110 cars (the green compartment cars). I have the 43119 which has the pick up shoe, and tail lights. I thought it would be less drag to have only one pick up.

What kinds of problems have you hit? Am I crazy to do it, or should I light each car independently?
Offline sudibarba  
#13 Posted : 21 December 2009 02:16:27(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Dreadnought
<br />I have been planning to use Marklin current conducting couplers on my 43100, and 43110 cars (the green compartment cars). I have the 43119 which has the pick up shoe, and tail lights. I thought it would be less drag to have only one pick up.

What kinds of problems have you hit? Am I crazy to do it, or should I light each car independently?


You are heading the right way with the current conducting couplers. The Marklin ones are made by a sub contractor (RCTS or something like that I think).The fewer the pickups the better.
Eric
Offline Armando  
#14 Posted : 21 December 2009 02:35:12(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by sudibarba
[You are heading the right way with the current conducting couplers. The Marklin ones are made by a sub contractor (RCTS or something like that I think).The fewer the pickups the better.
Eric


Yes, they are made by RTS, but they are a nightmare to couple and uncouple!
Best regards,
Armando García

Offline Macfire  
#15 Posted : 21 December 2009 11:33:13(UTC)
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My choice are the Fleischmann 38-6515 Profi couplings for freight wagons and unlit passenger coahes.
Being vertical rather than horizontal in allignment means that they handle differing gradients better.

I have still to decide what I will use for my lighted coaches. Wether to feed off the loco or a single slider on a coach. Some will be permanent couplers I think but others - well I am unsure at this stage.
Lord Macca
New Zealand branch of Clan Donald.
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