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Offline Mjn2ts  
#1 Posted : 07 February 2025 21:44:40(UTC)
Mjn2ts

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I’m contemplating going digital but trying to cut down on some costs. To that end I attempted to use m-track era signals on c-track with digital train control (apologies if I’ve missed worded that). I isolated the stop section and connected the red wires in their appropriate places, ran the blue wires to a circuit track (the one with the toggle switch built in) then ran the yellow wire and added a crown wire that was connected to an old blue transformer. The lights on the signal worked fine, the stop section worked manually but the circuit track wouldn’t change the signal. Is there another way I should have wired this or can I not use the old analog signals?
Thanks,
Jeff
Offline Martti Mäntylä  
#2 Posted : 08 February 2025 01:21:57(UTC)
Martti Mäntylä

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Hi Jeff, if I understood correctly, you are using a separate transformer to power the signals, in addition to the transformer powering the tracks? If so, you should connect the ground sockets of the two transformers to make this setup work.
- Martti M.
Era III analog & digital (Rocrail, CAN Digital Bahn, Gleisbox/MS2, K83/K84), C & M tracks, some Spur 1
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Offline JohnjeanB  
#3 Posted : 08 February 2025 14:44:04(UTC)
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Hi Jeff
In complement to Martii's excellent answer (most probable cause) I have two suggestions:
- replace the bulbs MS4 in clear, red or green with LED MS4: they never burn, never heat up and never cause a discoloration on semaphore signals (7039, etc), the current need is way smaller than with regular bulbs. Here is an example of GOOD LED MS4 (must have a double wave rectifier, be 19 V, with LED firmly attached to the lamp base) https://www.ebay.de/itm/39322250...D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR6DwntucZQ


- install the large signal base into a rectangular opening into the layout's plywood with the bottom of the hole closed with thick carboard with small apertures for the wires to come from under the table. Easy to make the rectangular hole using a vibrating tool with a cutting blade

It goes like this
Signal Integration.png
Here is the result
Sans titre.png

Cheers
Jean
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Offline BenP  
#4 Posted : 08 February 2025 20:14:08(UTC)
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You can use vintage signals in digital mode by connecting to a k83 or m83 decoder that controls 4 units. No need for red wires as train power is controlled by central station.
Ben
Digital M track layout with vintage rolling stock and accessories controlled by CS3+Rocrail; small Z scale layout.
https://youtube.com/play...0kgVYbh0CeDTF-bYXoD_2-V9
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Offline Mjn2ts  
#5 Posted : 08 February 2025 20:38:06(UTC)
Mjn2ts

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Originally Posted by: Martti Mäntylä Go to Quoted Post
Hi Jeff, if I understood correctly, you are using a separate transformer to power the signals, in addition to the transformer powering the tracks? If so, you should connect the ground sockets of the two transformers to make this setup work.


Yes exactly. I have a mobile station connected to the track for control and an old blue transformer to power the signal. Never thought to connect the brown wires together but it makes sense.
Thank you. Jeff
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