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Hi. I recently acquired a 052-1911 model 34171 which was upgraded from delta at some point in it's life to a DCC decoder. I have it running with my CS2 but have no idea of make or model of decoder, or if and what other functions are available. Can anyone identify it for me please.  
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Looks like an ESU V4 decoder. Blue decoder PCB is typical for ESU decoders.
Reading CV 8 should give 151 for ESU. |
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Originally Posted by: H0  Looks like an ESU V4 decoder. Blue decoder PCB is typical for ESU decoders.
Reading CV 8 should give 151 for ESU. That is my thought too. It may well be a multiprotocol version, so have MM2 and mfx as well.
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ESU decoders usually have a round white label with a code, not a square green one.
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Originally Posted by: mario54i ESU decoders usually have a round white label with a code, not a square green one. But I don't think that is the original heatshrink.
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Speaking of ESU decoders, I have the body off my 39120 E 10 (soft drive sinus can motor) from 2007. The decoder is a blue 21 pin with a white round serial number sticker. An early MFX model, with a whistle and one station announcement. I'm curious as to weather an ESU upgrade sound decoder or a Marklin 21 pin msd3 with electric Loco. sounds would be appropriate. I don't have a decoder tool, and I don't know if ESU sells decoders with pre loaded sound files except with models.
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Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Speaking of ESU decoders, I have the body off my 39120 E 10 (soft drive sinus can motor) from 2007. The decoder is a blue 21 pin with a white round serial number sticker. An early MFX model, with a whistle and one station announcement. I'm curious as to weather an ESU upgrade sound decoder or a Marklin 21 pin msd3 with electric Loco. sounds would be appropriate. I don't have a decoder tool, and I don't know if ESU sells decoders with pre loaded sound files except with models. They used to with the old V3 / 3.5 but I believe now the process is to ask the dealer to pre-load the desired sound project from the ESU collection. You then adjust as required with CV values. |
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Then I don't see why a Marklin decoder wouldn't work. An ESU m4 decoder is mfx.
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Thanks for the input.
I did a quick google on Lokpilot V4.0 and yes it
definitely looks like that.
I'll get it on the program track tomorrow evening.
So, if I check CV8 and it shows 151, that confirms ESU?
Will I also be able to find a model number there?
Or, what should I be looking for to determine what model it is?
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Originally Posted by: Willr So, if I check CV8 and it shows 151, that confirms ESU? Yes. Originally Posted by: Willr Will I also be able to find a model number there? I think by reading CV 7 and other CVs, you can identify the model or at least narrow it down. Do you happen to know someone with an ESU LokProgrammer? 'That would find all the version information. |
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I'm not able to find CV 8 or 7 when I'm looking at the CV table in Prog or POM .
It shows me 1,2,3,4,5, and 17, 18, 29.
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Originally Posted by: Willr I'm not able to find CV 8 or 7 when I'm looking at the CV table in Prog or POM. Yep. Märklin made that bit very complicated on the CS2. There should be a "+" button or something to that effect, that allows you to add lines for CVs 7, 8, and anything else you need. You can save that list as a template for future use. |
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I've read there is a difference between the original ESU NEM standard 21 pin interface, and the NMRR one, as for which terminal connect to what. So which did Marklin use from 2006 to 2008-ish, and aftewards for msd-3 decoders?
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Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 So which did Marklin use from 2006 to 2008-ish, and aftewards for msd-3 decoders? Märklin ignore the NEM specifications and the NMRA specifications, instead they adhere to the Märklin/Trix specification of 21mtc. From 2006 until 2011 they used ESU decoders that were NEM compatible. In 2008 they introduced homebrew mfx decoders that came in both flavours as needed. MSD/3 and MLD/3 can be configured to be NEM compatible, NMRA compatible, or neither. |
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Thank's Tom! Would I need a decoder tool to configure a new msd-3 decoder which I want to replace for the original ESU decoder in a soft drive 39120 E-10? Can my dealer do it?
I don't know which Loco sounds are on the 69877 factory decoder, and I know a dealer can load a different sound file.
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Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: Willr I'm not able to find CV 8 or 7 when I'm looking at the CV table in Prog or POM. Yep. Märklin made that bit very complicated on the CS2. There should be a "+" button or something to that effect, that allows you to add lines for CVs 7, 8, and anything else you need. You can save that list as a template for future use. Thank you for the info. I will take a look at that later today.
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Well, I can't find anything or any way that helps shed any light on identifying this decoder.
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Did you read CV 8? What's the value? |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS |
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Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: Willr I'm not able to find CV 8 or 7 when I'm looking at the CV table in Prog or POM. Yep. Märklin made that bit very complicated on the CS2. There should be a "+" button or something to that effect, that allows you to add lines for CVs 7, 8, and anything else you need. You can save that list as a template for future use. Hi Tom. The 2nd screen shot is after I press "CV Access". I'm sure I've pushed ever button. I can't find any place to add 7 or 8. Thanks for any input you may have.  
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It's been a while since I used that dialogue, but I think this is the button to add new lines to get additional CV numbers:  |
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Ok, this time I scrolled after tapping that symbol and found some 0 cvs. entered an 8, tried to download from loco, got an error message that transfer was not successful. I'm not sure if that's correct procedure. I can't find any documentation. Thought you might be interested in the following pics. Abandoned Northlanders. Last August I came upon them in North Bay Ontario.    
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