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kimballthurlow		#51 Posted : 26 February 2023 01:10:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,763 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Originally Posted by: Mman There are always the Fleischmann Bulleid H0 coaches and I would rather see a Southern Merchant Navy than LNER stuff, but I get the anniversary angle. Mallard broke after its high speed run (downhill) and therefore some consider any record null and void. A3s are interesting looking locos certainly whilst A4s are a bit dull. ChrisG Yes. And also the Rivarossi LMS coaches done in HO 1:87 which are usually available on the internet. Not particularly appropriate for an LNER or BR engine but no worse than the Edelweiss set. Kimball
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river6109		#52 Posted : 26 February 2023 04:32:58(UTC) Retweet
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AntoinePrt		#53 Posted : 26 February 2023 07:15:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/01/2017(UTC) Posts: 149 Location: Ile-de-France, Paris		Originally Posted by: Goofy Why not? If Flying Scotsman are made in China the prices of the model are not fair. The scale of the model must be 1:76 since in UK they use it. The prototype in UK are bigger than in Europe. This next side of the same scale of the track. If Märklin present new model made in China i wonder if model railer are ready to pay lot of the model that is not correct in the scale too? Originally Posted by: hxmiesa I am puzzled by this one. How can it be feasible to do a 1:87 (announcement clearly states this!) version of this one??? I dont think there is any running stock to put behind it... Yet, many of you guys say that you will order it. What gives??? Hello, What is the problem people have with Märklin making a H0 edition of a British locomotive instead of OO!? Instead of seeing the glass half empty, can’t you just see it half full? Märklin does NOT plan to enter a competition with Hornby and co. Clearly the target isn’t the british market. They wish continental train enthusiasts to get the opportunity to own one of the most famous locomotive in the world and to run it on their layout. It’s as simple as that. Great Britain is the land that created the trains. You should be happy to get a British model, that fits the gauge you use in Europe and elsewhere. It’s a collectible, no doubts here. They dare to do something in this way. It’s courageous as I do not see other train manufacturers taking this kind of risk. The question of what should we put behind isn’t a question for a Märklin enthusiast. Indeed the notion of consistency with Märklin’s rolling stock and the association they make with locomotives isn’t their cup of tea. There are sufficient examples showing that the wagons/carriages they sometimes put behind a locomotive are not what would have been done in the real life. Forget about the consistency, focus on the game. That’s the spirit! A.
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Bryan		#54 Posted : 26 February 2023 09:54:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/09/2010(UTC) Posts: 214 Location: Bowral, NSW, Australia		Dear all To quote from another source about the Marklin Flying Scotsman “ Good model however expected certainly in the area of the Cartazzi axle underneath the cab to be better”. Is this true.?? Does not worry myself, beautiful diecast model in any league and first UK Marklin model. Bit like when the Marklin Big Boy arrived for USA. Change of course for Marklin. David
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bph		#55 Posted : 26 February 2023 11:22:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 1,156		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: Mman Mallard broke after its high speed run (downhill) and therefore some consider any record null and void. I always get the feeling that the record should be void because it was running down hill at the time of setting it. I don't think the Br05 was running downhill when it set the record that Mallard broke. An interesting article about the subject: WAS GERMAN 05 002 THE WORLD'S FASTEST STEAM LOCO?
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kiwiAlan		#56 Posted : 26 February 2023 12:48:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,472 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: bph Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: Mman Mallard broke after its high speed run (downhill) and therefore some consider any record null and void. I always get the feeling that the record should be void because it was running down hill at the time of setting it. I don't think the Br05 was running downhill when it set the record that Mallard broke. An interesting article about the subject: WAS GERMAN 05 002 THE WORLD'S FASTEST STEAM LOCO? Thanks for the link, an interesting read indeed.
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Goofy		#57 Posted : 26 February 2023 19:30:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,277		Originally Posted by: AntoinePrt Originally Posted by: Goofy Why not? If Flying Scotsman are made in China the prices of the model are not fair. The scale of the model must be 1:76 since in UK they use it. The prototype in UK are bigger than in Europe. This next side of the same scale of the track. If Märklin present new model made in China i wonder if model railer are ready to pay lot of the model that is not correct in the scale too? Originally Posted by: hxmiesa I am puzzled by this one. How can it be feasible to do a 1:87 (announcement clearly states this!) version of this one??? I dont think there is any running stock to put behind it... Yet, many of you guys say that you will order it. What gives??? Hello, What is the problem people have with Märklin making a H0 edition of a British locomotive instead of OO!? Instead of seeing the glass half empty, can’t you just see it half full? Märklin does NOT plan to enter a competition with Hornby and co. Clearly the target isn’t the british market. They wish continental train enthusiasts to get the opportunity to own one of the most famous locomotive in the world and to run it on their layout. It’s as simple as that. Great Britain is the land that created the trains. You should be happy to get a British model, that fits the gauge you use in Europe and elsewhere. It’s a collectible, no doubts here. They dare to do something in this way. It’s courageous as I do not see other train manufacturers taking this kind of risk. The question of what should we put behind isn’t a question for a Märklin enthusiast. Indeed the notion of consistency with Märklin’s rolling stock and the association they make with locomotives isn’t their cup of tea. There are sufficient examples showing that the wagons/carriages they sometimes put behind a locomotive are not what would have been done in the real life. Forget about the consistency, focus on the game. That’s the spirit! A. You miss the point...the english prototype are bigger than European and in fact does result as scale 1:76 and this is important for the english railer to have correct scale Flying Scotsman for their english layout. I don´t believe Märklins english model in the wrong scale will become success in UK.
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AntoinePrt		#58 Posted : 26 February 2023 20:38:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/01/2017(UTC) Posts: 149 Location: Ile-de-France, Paris		Originally Posted by: Goofy Originally Posted by: AntoinePrt Originally Posted by: Goofy Why not? If Flying Scotsman are made in China the prices of the model are not fair. The scale of the model must be 1:76 since in UK they use it. The prototype in UK are bigger than in Europe. This next side of the same scale of the track. If Märklin present new model made in China i wonder if model railer are ready to pay lot of the model that is not correct in the scale too? Originally Posted by: hxmiesa I am puzzled by this one. How can it be feasible to do a 1:87 (announcement clearly states this!) version of this one??? I dont think there is any running stock to put behind it... Yet, many of you guys say that you will order it. What gives??? Hello, What is the problem people have with Märklin making a H0 edition of a British locomotive instead of OO!? Instead of seeing the glass half empty, can’t you just see it half full? Märklin does NOT plan to enter a competition with Hornby and co. Clearly the target isn’t the british market. They wish continental train enthusiasts to get the opportunity to own one of the most famous locomotive in the world and to run it on their layout. It’s as simple as that. Great Britain is the land that created the trains. You should be happy to get a British model, that fits the gauge you use in Europe and elsewhere. It’s a collectible, no doubts here. They dare to do something in this way. It’s courageous as I do not see other train manufacturers taking this kind of risk. The question of what should we put behind isn’t a question for a Märklin enthusiast. Indeed the notion of consistency with Märklin’s rolling stock and the association they make with locomotives isn’t their cup of tea. There are sufficient examples showing that the wagons/carriages they sometimes put behind a locomotive are not what would have been done in the real life. Forget about the consistency, focus on the game. That’s the spirit! A. You miss the point...the english prototype are bigger than European and in fact does result as scale 1:76 and this is important for the english railer to have correct scale Flying Scotsman for their english layout. I don´t believe Märklins english model in the wrong scale will become success in UK. Hello Goofy, Did you read what I wrote!?!? The Märklin version of the Flying Scotsman is NOT meant for the British market!!! There is therefore no point at making it in OO! A. Edited by user 27 February 2023 03:38:32(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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kimballthurlow		#59 Posted : 26 February 2023 23:59:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,763 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Originally Posted by: Goofy ..... You miss the point...the english prototype are bigger than European and ..... Hello Goofy As Alan has previously indicated, that statement is totally incorrect. I am quoting from Molesworth's Handbook of Engineering 1951 Edition, which was first published in 1862. These people know! These are the loading gauge heights for: British standard - 15 feet 0 inches. Continental (including Germany, France etc) - 15 feet 9 inches The British is lower by 9 inches = 228.6mm. The USA and Russia and others are even larger again. Loading gauge widths over bodies are: British standard - 9 feet 8 inches Continental - 8 feet 7 inches The British is wider by 13 inches = 330mm But ..... at the extremities of the loading gauge widths the height changes to the following: British standard - 10 feet 6 inches Continental - 12 feet The British is lower by 1 foot 6 inches = 457mm And as for 1:76 scale there are many reasons (or theories) why that happened but effectively it makes English models larger than HO models. 1:76 is larger than 1:87 by a factor of 12.6% if you use 87 as the base. Scale may be material for marketing purposes, but not for deciding whether a model is good or bad. Kimball Edited by user 27 February 2023 04:56:26(UTC)  | Reason: added height data at body extremities
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danmarklinman		#60 Posted : 27 February 2023 07:40:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/10/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,404		I think 00 happened on 1/87 scale track because the electric motors of the time were too large to fit into British locos. And Goofy or what ever your reel name is. You are missing the point!! A HO model of the flying Scotsman makes it all in proportion and not a 1/76 narrow gauge Scotsman. By the way. Please don’t assume all British people will not buy one. There’s enough of us and the rest of the English speaking world who quite clearly are pleased to see one. Fill your glass!!!!
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Bigdaddynz		#61 Posted : 27 February 2023 09:22:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,771 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: danmarklinman ...Goofy or what ever your reel name is. Anders!
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David Dewar		#62 Posted : 27 February 2023 11:27:24(UTC) Retweet
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kiwiAlan		#63 Posted : 27 February 2023 11:36:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,472 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: David Dewar Me Being Scottish as Goofy says it’s an English model I won’t be buying it. Lol. Oh, so it never hauled trains to and from Edinburgh ...
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Bigdaddynz		#64 Posted : 27 February 2023 12:07:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,771 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: steventrain Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Well, the discounting is underway. Hunerbein are showing 10% ... Modellbahn-Kramm are showing 11.72% ... Modellbahnshop-Lippe are showing 40 Euro off ... And the prospect is here (English) Other languages at https://www.maerklin.de/de/lp/2023/flying-scotsman Check out Rails of Sheffield available to preorder Marklin/Trix with 10% discount. RAILS OF SHEFFIELD ETS are advertising the Flying Scotsman at 489.99 €, that's a 22.1% discount https://www.modelleisenb...shop/index.php?s=1-39968
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H0		#65 Posted : 27 February 2023 12:11:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,443 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: David Dewar Me Being Scottish as Goofy says it’s an English model I won’t be buying it. Lol. Oh, so it never hauled trains to and from Edinburgh ... Wasn't that the Flying Dutchman? Scotland? Isn't that a town in Europe? Or was it Belgium?
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Bryan		#66 Posted : 27 February 2023 13:46:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/09/2010(UTC) Posts: 214 Location: Bowral, NSW, Australia		According to a German supplier, the Flying Scotsman is sold out for quarter 4/23, still taking orders for quarter 1/24. Yes, this loco is going to be a quick sellout. David
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kiwiAlan		#67 Posted : 27 February 2023 14:13:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,472 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 I may be more tempted by the "Mallard" Musing about this, I won't be surprised if they do Mallard for the anniversary of the speed record run ... [edit] and guess what loco happens to be the subject of tonights "Hornby: A Model World" ... [/edit]
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franciscohg		#68 Posted : 27 February 2023 14:51:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,298 Location: Patagonia		Originally Posted by: Bryan According to a German supplier, the Flying Scotsman is sold out for quarter 4/23, still taking orders for quarter 1/24. Yes, this loco is going to be a quick sellout. David Pretty good for a "nonsense" locomotive......
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franciscohg		#69 Posted : 27 February 2023 14:53:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,298 Location: Patagonia		Originally Posted by: Marklineisenbahn Originally Posted by: franciscohg Well, i did order one,it seems to be a nice h0 machine. if it was announced in 00 i would certainly not ordered it. If you want to sell a locomotive worldwide there would be a nonsense to make it in scale that is mainly used in UK. They main market of Marklin still is Germany, i dont know how popular 00 scale is there. I am sure it will be a best seller, chinese or not. So far i am very happy with chinese surprise models. Regards Hi Dreileiters , Hallo Francisco, I agree with you Francisco Flying Scotsman A3 will be good looking consist with Edelweiss set. On pair with French class 231 , Baden IVH and Austrian CL 310 so My A3 is on order and I would have all corners covered for CIWL run… Btw:How is your BR10 running… ? Regards, Märklineisenbahn Hello!!!!! BR10 is running well!!!! Regards
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bph		#70 Posted : 27 February 2023 15:40:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 1,156		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: David Dewar Me Being Scottish as Goofy says it’s an English model I won’t be buying it. Lol. Oh, so it never hauled trains to and from Edinburgh ... Wasn't that the Flying Dutchman? Scotland? Isn't that a town in Europe? Or was it Belgium? The Flying Dutchman, GWR 3031 Class, no 3009 (first locomotives in the clas were built as broad gauge (2140mm), and with the possibility to convert them to standard gauge later.
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H0		#71 Posted : 27 February 2023 15:56:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,443 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: bph The Flying Dutchman Fake news: The Flying Dutchman is a ship. (I didn't know there also was a loco.) BTW: Märklin hasn't made any surprise ships in a long time.
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Goofy		#72 Posted : 27 February 2023 17:16:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,277		Märklin show themselves by produce in wrong scale and present it as scale 1:87. What Märklin should do is to offert english model railroader in scale 1:76 about Flying Scotsman. In UK they use scale 1:76 and that in both locomotive and the wagons. Märklin provided by self produce wrong scale of the railway carriage. Do you even think they would present english wagons in scale 1:76 or should it been scale 1:93,5?? Or even worse...scale 1:100? We have common together with the english model railroader about the tracks and it´s same gauge in H0. But not the locomotives and the wagons.
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mbarreto		#73 Posted : 27 February 2023 17:31:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,334		Just for curiosity, Flying Dutchman is also a dinghy one class design that was Olympic until 1992. A super dinghy for experienced and heavier sailors. Currently there are more modern, faster dinghies like for example the 49er.
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marklinist5999		#74 Posted : 27 February 2023 17:37:37(UTC) Retweet
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mvd71		#75 Posted : 27 February 2023 17:48:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,919 Location: Auckland,		Originally Posted by: Goofy Märklin show themselves by produce in wrong scale and present it as scale 1:87. What Märklin should do is to offert english model railroader in scale 1:76 about Flying Scotsman. In UK they use scale 1:76 and that in both locomotive and the wagons. Märklin provided by self produce wrong scale of the railway carriage. Do you even think they would present english wagons in scale 1:76 or should it been scale 1:93,5?? Or even worse...scale 1:100? We have common together with the english model railroader about the tracks and it´s same gauge in H0. But not the locomotives and the wagons. I would agree that 1:76 would be great for all the People in the UK modelling with other brands in 1:76. However is it possible it would then be too large for the tunnels etc on peoples layouts in continental Europe? And this is Märklin’s larger current market.
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rbonet		#76 Posted : 27 February 2023 18:00:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2009(UTC) Posts: 146 Location: Barcelona, Spain		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Originally Posted by: steventrain Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Well, the discounting is underway. Hunerbein are showing 10% ... Modellbahn-Kramm are showing 11.72% ... Modellbahnshop-Lippe are showing 40 Euro off ... And the prospect is here (English) Other languages at https://www.maerklin.de/de/lp/2023/flying-scotsman Check out Rails of Sheffield available to preorder Marklin/Trix with 10% discount. RAILS OF SHEFFIELD ETS are advertising the Flying Scotsman at 489.99 €, that's a 22.1% discount https://www.modelleisenb...shop/index.php?s=1-39968 There is some mistake on the ETS advertising. They say that the RRP is 629€ and this is wrong. The RRP is 589€. The 22.1% percent is the discount if you buy at 489.99€ something priced at 629€. However, if you buy at 489.99€ something priced at 589€ the discount is 16.81%, not too bad, but less than 22.1%. Regards, Rafael
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danmarklinman		#77 Posted : 27 February 2023 19:58:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/10/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,404		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 I may be more tempted by the "Mallard" Musing about this, I won't be surprised if they do Mallard for the anniversary of the speed record run ... [edit] and guess what loco happens to be the subject of tonights "Hornby: A Model World" ... [/edit] I don’t want to wait until 2038 I’ll be happy with any more British HO though 👍
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kiwiAlan		#78 Posted : 27 February 2023 20:01:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,472 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: rbonet Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz ETS are advertising the Flying Scotsman at 489.99 €, that's a 22.1% discount https://www.modelleisenb...shop/index.php?s=1-39968 There is some mistake on the ETS advertising. They say that the RRP is 629€ and this is wrong. The RRP is 589€. The 22.1% percent is the discount if you buy at 489.99€ something priced at 629€. However, if you buy at 489.99€ something priced at 589€ the discount is 16.81%, not too bad, but less than 22.1%. Regards, Rafael Hmm, I am getting a discount of 15% from my regular supplier (some here will remember who that is). Makes the price very attractive when it doesn't have the German MWsT
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franciscohg		#79 Posted : 27 February 2023 21:27:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,298 Location: Patagonia		Oh..... Me too.... Perhaps it is the same dealer... Lol
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prba4650		#80 Posted : 27 February 2023 21:48:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/11/2020(UTC) Posts: 17 Location: England, Derbyshire		Originally Posted by: David Dewar Me Being Scottish as Goofy says it’s an English model I won’t be buying it. Lol. Many steam locos used by Railways in England were manufactured in Scotland by the likes of North British. Conversely, many steam locos used in Scotland were manufactured in England. Best to check your layout carefully and chuck out anything with the wrong connections!
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kimballthurlow		#81 Posted : 28 February 2023 00:42:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,763 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow ...... These are the loading gauge heights for: British standard - 15 feet 0 inches. Continental (including Germany, France etc) - 15 feet 9 inches ...... Loading gauge widths over bodies are: British standard - 9 feet 8 inches Continental - 8 feet 7 inches ...... Kimball Further to this I am also a member of an English LNER discussion group. (The Flying Scotsman was an LNER engine). Here is what one of the members says about the English loading gauge: "There were variations between the various private companies, but by the grouping in 1923 maximum height was generally between 13' and 13'6", maximum width 9'." Definitely British engines were quite a deal smaller than most in Europe. Kimball
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H0		#82 Posted : 28 February 2023 09:02:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,443 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Goofy Märklin show themselves by produce in wrong scale and present it as scale 1:87. There are several examples for that. Originally Posted by: Goofy Do you even think they would present english wagons in scale 1:76 or should it been scale 1:93,5?? Or even worse...scale 1:100? Märklin locos are usually 1:87 in height and Märklin coaches are usually 1:87 in height. Coaches can be 1:87 or 1:93.5 or 1:120 in length, their height is still usually 1:87. Sometimes the width is not 1:87. Since they show the loco with Edelweiss coaches, I assume the loco is 1:87 in height and length. The Harry Potter coaches could be 1:76.
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AJH4		#83 Posted : 28 February 2023 15:33:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 41		With the tooling now done, even if a limited run, it would be nice to bring back the Hogwarts Express the right way this time since it is essentially the same locomotive. Still looks great in the original green, but having to cobble together a full set will require some work.
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kiwiAlan		#84 Posted : 28 February 2023 19:21:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,472 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: AntoinePrt Hello, What is the problem people have with Märklin making a H0 edition of a British locomotive instead of OO!? Instead of seeing the glass half empty, can’t you just see it half full? Märklin does NOT plan to enter a competition with Hornby and co. Clearly the target isn’t the british market. I'm not so sure about your assumption about Marklin not wishing to compete with Hornby ... I decided to take some pictures with various combinations of H0 and OO items I have. To start with, a Hornby Merchant Class loco - New Zealand Line from the R2300 Bournemouth Belle set - someone in this thread mentioned wanting a Merchant Class ... The tender is correctly coupled to the loco, so no comments on the gap please ... Next is a Hornby Pullman coach from the same set, coupled to the loco. Yes the couplings are properly engaged, so no comments about how far apart they are ... OK, it doesn't appear so in that photo, but the coach is actually the same height as the front portion of the tender. So the next thing to do is try a Trix/Marklin Orient Express coach, which is what I envisaged hauling behind Flying Scotsman in the absence of suitable British coaching stock. The rails along the top of the roof are just under the height of the tender front, with the roofline about 3mm lower. So the next try is a modern coach ... The roofline is near enough the same as the previous picture. Yes it is low compared to the loco, but it could work, but would be better with the Orient Express coach. So the last test was to use a Marklin loco with a Hornby coach ... Ta dah - the mismatch isn't as obvious as I thought it would be. The loco I had to hand is the Insider Br65 from a few years ago, and I would regard as reasonably representative of H0 loco size. This leads me to believe that using the Hornby Pullman coaches with the Marklin Flying Scotsman is probably a viable solution until Marklin produce models of British prototype coaches. Finally while glancing around the magazine rack in my local Tesco I saw this magazine. It is the February issue, and if you want a copy you will need to be real quick, as the new issue is listed as coming out March 1st.
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bph		#85 Posted : 28 February 2023 20:07:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 1,156		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: AntoinePrt Hello, What is the problem people have with Märklin making a H0 edition of a British locomotive instead of OO!? Instead of seeing the glass half empty, can’t you just see it half full? Märklin does NOT plan to enter a competition with Hornby and co. Clearly the target isn’t the british market. I'm not so sure about your assumption about Marklin not wishing to compete with Hornby ... I decided to take some pictures with various combinations of H0 and OO items I have. To start with, a Hornby Merchant Class loco - New Zealand Line from the R2300 Bournemouth Belle set - someone in this thread mentioned wanting a Merchant Class ... Next is a Hornby Pullman coach from the same set, coupled to the loco. Yes the couplings are properly engaged, so no comments about how far apart they are ... OK, it doesn't appear so in that photo, but the coach is actually the same height as the front portion of the tender. So the next thing to do is try a Trix/Marklin Orient Express coach, which is what I envisaged hauling behind Flying Scotsman in the absence of suitable British coaching stock. The rails along the top of the roof are just under the height of the tender front, with the roofline about 3mm lower. So the last test was to use a Marklin loco with a Hornby coach ... Ta dah - the mismatch isn't as obvious as I thought it would be. The loco I had to hand is the Insider Br65 from a few years ago, and I would regard as reasonably representative of H0 loco size. This leads me to believe that using the Hornby Pullman coaches with the Marklin Flying Scotsman is probably a viable solution until Marklin produce models of British prototype coaches. Finally while glancing around the magazine rack in my local Tesco I saw this magazine. It is the February issue, and if you want a copy you will need to be real quick, as the new issue is listed as coming out March 1st. Thanks the combination with Br65 and Hornby coach is quite interesting and fully usable. And the combination with Flying Scotsman and Orient Express coaches is not that bad and after all a British class 7 loco was used in the latest MI Dead Reckoning film with Orient Express coaches. (even if it was a mockup locomotive "disguised" as a French locomotive and the coaches were only repainted, Norwegian coaches) PS: The Railway magazine is also available online
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kimballthurlow		#86 Posted : 28 February 2023 21:33:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,763 Location: Brisbane, Australia		The Flying Scotsman at 1:87 will be quite a lot smaller than the Merchant Navy at 1:76. (12% smaller) And smaller than the BR65. Some members on the English LNER group have commented on the sample images supplied by Märklin for the Flying Scotsman. They also acknowledge that this is only a mock-up so cannot be taken as it might be in production. 1, the chimney seems too high and/or out of proportion. 2. the the front smoke-box is too small a diameter. It would be unusual for Märklin to make a mistake in their dimensioning on the Catia 3D design platform. Anyway I trust Märklin in the long run, and I am sure they will do full justice to this iconic locomotive model. Kimball
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xxup		#87 Posted : 01 March 2023 09:39:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,593 Location: Australia		Well. I have approval order one.
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PJMärklin		#88 Posted : 01 March 2023 10:06:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/12/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,261 Location: Hobart, Australia		Originally Posted by: xxup Well. I have approval order one. Approval in writing ?
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xxup		#89 Posted : 01 March 2023 10:10:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,593 Location: Australia		Better than that, The Dealer rang FD to confirm that the email from me was correct! So now I have about a year to find some nice NSW H0 scale coaches.. This is the closest we will ever get to an Australian loco from Marklin..
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river6109		#90 Posted : 01 March 2023 11:02:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,875 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Originally Posted by: xxup Better than that, The Dealer rang FD to confirm that the email from me was correct! So now I have about a year to find some nice NSW H0 scale coaches.. This is the closest we will ever get to an Australian loco from Marklin.. I think she went from Sydney to Perth ?, I don't think I've got any photos from her in Australia John
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Purellum		#91 Posted : 01 March 2023 11:12:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,528 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Goofy You miss the point...the english prototype are bigger than European and in fact does result as scale 1:76 Fake news https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loading_gauge Quoted from Wikipedia: "The loading gauge on the main lines of Great Britain, most of which were built before 1900, is generally smaller than in other countries. In mainland Europe, the slightly larger Berne gauge (Gabarit passe-partout international, PPI) was agreed to in 1913 and came into force in 1914.[2][3] As a result, British trains have noticeably and considerably smaller loading gauges and, for passenger trains, smaller interiors, despite the track being standard gauge, which is in line with much of the world. This often results in increased costs for purchasing new trainsets or locomotives as they must be specifically designed for the existing British network, rather than being purchased "off-the-shelf". For example, the new trains for HS2 have a 50% premium applied to the "classic compatible" sets that will be "compatible" with the current (or "classic") rail network loading gauge as well as the HS2 line. The "classic compatible" trainsets will cost £40 million per trainset whereas the HS2-only stock (built to European loading gauge and only suitable to operate on HS2 lines) will cost £27M per trainset despite the HS2-only stock being physically larger.[4]" Per.
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Dimi194		#92 Posted : 01 March 2023 12:06:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 383		Just got updated with the local AU price for this one - $1500 AUD for a single loco! (The rainbow ICE set I had to cancel was going to be about $1000). Not sure what Märklin is doing but for an engine it's truly something else 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫
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Timnomads		#93 Posted : 01 March 2023 13:31:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/09/2015(UTC) Posts: 301 Location: Grandvaux - Lausanne - Switzerland		Hi All Just ordered mine from my dealer, he said that expected delivery is 2024 !!!! did not know when in 2024 Tim
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marklinist5999		#94 Posted : 01 March 2023 13:42:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,889 Location: Michigan, Troy		I wonder if this will ship this before the Giruno?????? We're waiting since 3 month delays.
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The Crocodile		#95 Posted : 01 March 2023 14:53:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/12/2019(UTC) Posts: 111		Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 I may be more tempted by the "Mallard" Märklin making a Mallard with the same detail level as this Scotsman would be amazing, a guaranteed order for me. Although I understand it's frustrating for those of you who ordered the Scotsman, I find it very good that the demand for it is so high that they're fully booked. This means we'll probably see more locos like this in the future
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Marklineisenbahn		#96 Posted : 01 March 2023 15:18:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 311 Location: New York City		Originally Posted by: The Crocodile Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 I may be more tempted by the "Mallard" Märklin making a Mallard with the same detail level as this Scotsman would be amazing, a guaranteed order for me. Although I understand it's frustrating for those of you who ordered the Scotsman, I find it very good that the demand for it is so high that they're fully booked. This means we'll probably see more locos like this in the future Hallo Dreileiters, So I came across a little historical reference to Flying Scott on U-tube just disregard idiotic music ! P.S. one Flying Scotsman is on order already. Regards, Märklineisenbahn
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bph		#97 Posted : 01 March 2023 16:31:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 1,156		Originally Posted by: Timnomads Hi All Just ordered mine from my dealer, he said that expected delivery is 2024 !!!! did not know when in 2024 Tim my dealer informed me, that the info he received was delivery scheduled for December 23, but I would be quite surprised if it actually arrives in December.......
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franciscohg		#98 Posted : 01 March 2023 16:34:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,298 Location: Patagonia		Patience is a virtue..... Seems nobody here preordered the Anniversary Rheingold express by Brawa..... Or worse, the new BR65 by Gützold....... 😂😂😂 Regards
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danmarklinman		#99 Posted : 02 March 2023 20:22:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/10/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,404		Hi all. I thought I would attempt a quick video on the different between British Ho and European HO loading gauge. I’ve made a video, I apologise for the small amount of dodgy narration , I have quite a lot of ho ferry wagons built to British loading gauge. So I thought seeing two wagons coupled together is quite interesting. cheers Dan.
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kimballthurlow		#100 Posted : 02 March 2023 23:04:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,763 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Originally Posted by: danmarklinman Hi all. I thought I would attempt a quick video on the different between British Ho and European HO loading gauge. ..... Hi Dan, That is a brilliant video showing the difference between British and continental sizes in railway rolling stock. Better than all the figures I can quote. Is the British ferry wagon a Märklin product? regards Kimball
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