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Offline 4matic  
#1 Posted : 06 January 2026 10:11:14(UTC)
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My recently acquired Flying Scotsman Marklin 39969 struggles to achieve traction even on the slightest of grades (under 2%) just on its own. I can see the wheels slipping so got replacement traction tyres 7152. Surprised to find they are rather small. Double checked the manual and part number is correct. Was quite a mission to replace with the new tyres. However hasnt improved and possibly i feel its even worse with the new traction tyres. This is the only Loco that has any issue on the track. None of my other steamers or any others have this issue. Help?
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Offline Goofy  
#2 Posted : 06 January 2026 10:25:57(UTC)
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Are both old and new tyres in same size?
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Offline H0  
#3 Posted : 06 January 2026 12:58:53(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 4matic Go to Quoted Post
My recently acquired Flying Scotsman Marklin 39969 struggles to achieve traction even on the slightest of grades (under 2%) just on its own.
Does it struggle on the whole incline or only at the change of incline?
Many modern steamers have issues at the beginning of an incline when to slope changes.

Regards
Tom
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Offline Goofy  
#4 Posted : 06 January 2026 13:48:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: 4matic Go to Quoted Post
My recently acquired Flying Scotsman Marklin 39969 struggles to achieve traction even on the slightest of grades (under 2%) just on its own.
Does it struggle on the whole incline or only at the change of incline?
Many modern steamers have issues at the beginning of an incline when to slope changes.



TS did wrote other steamers have no problems.

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Offline H0  
#5 Posted : 06 January 2026 14:15:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
TS did wrote other steamers have no problems.
Yep, I read that.
At club meetings, I saw a streamlined BR 05 struggle where many other locos had no problems.
With BR 05, the traction tyres were hanging in the air and no longer touched the rails.

Regards
Tom
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Offline rhfil  
#6 Posted : 06 January 2026 14:16:12(UTC)
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I noticed that occasionally my steamers will have problems with traction and my layout is flat. The same thing happened with one engine on our club layout. After careful observation I discovered that on my layout not placing the engine quite properly on the rails the engine would run but the wheels on one side were not in contact with the rails so the engine barely moved. And on our club layout the same thing happened in one location where there were screws holding the track down which were not all the way down and were causing the wheels to come off the rails. So you might check whether that is happening on your layout. As HO inquired, the change in incline might be causing the wheels to come off the rails. It has happened with longer steam engines. Try placing the engine without power on the rails where the incline begins and see if the drive wheels are slightly above the rails.
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Offline 4matic  
#7 Posted : 07 January 2026 01:44:10(UTC)
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Many thanks for the very useful responses. Its much appreciated.
So to answer,
The new tyres are way smaller than the old. Had to really struggle to get them in.
Have removed the new and put back the old after cleaning them a bit.
The slip begins at the start of the incline which incidentally is on a curve.
With 3 freight (empty) cars and a track cleaner, with the old tyres back, it slips at 3 specific points on the track. 2 on curved incline and one on a straight level. It will slip for a second or 2 and then continue. This is at very slow speed. At close to full speed it distinctly is jerky at these specific spots. So I'm guessing thats the slip. The wheels are not getting raised and sitting on the track all the time as much as I can tell. Took a phone video up close and doesnt seem to show any wheel up. However it cant be ruled out as the video is a bit shaky, unsteady hands!
The AC/DC Black Ice loco which is similar runs with no issues at all. Also an older BR 86 and BR 50.
Could the tracks at these specific places be a bit more smoother? Will see if I can swap out these tracks.

Why is the new traction tyre a different size to the original? Have posed this question to marklin.
With the new traction tyre stretched so tight its almost like no traction.
The AC/DC loco spare list on the marklin site (item 7) doesnt list a part number (just found out)!
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Offline rhfil  
#8 Posted : 07 January 2026 03:20:38(UTC)
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First of all let me congratulate you on your success in changing the tires not once but twice. I only collect steamers and the idea of changing them horrifies me. First of all I would run that Royal Scotsman without the track cleaner. If that works by a brush putting some pressure on the rails and center knobs that might be enough drag on the engine. How did you clean the tires? Finally the tires. The should need to be stretched a little and are rubber. The 7 152 are used on a number of locomotives. i do not have the 39969 but but have the 39241 and 39436 both of which use that tire so it should be readily available. They might have sent the wrong ones or the manufacturer might have inserted the wrong ones in the package. Not sure how to correct that. I would even run the engine by itself and even consider turning the original tires inside out to see if that made a difference. Someone also mentioned a product with the disgusting name like Frog Snotz or similar which increases adhesion to rubber. You might try to locate that or a similar product. I owned a belt driven saw and had a product called belt dressing which did the same for leather drive belts.
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Offline 4matic  
#9 Posted : 07 January 2026 07:08:47(UTC)
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Many thanks for that. To clean the tyres I used a q tip with a bit of rubbing alcohol. Running the steamer alone has the same effect, which is what puzzled me. The tyre size (7152) I believe is the correct size in the pack. Just that its rather small. Comparing with the Marklin tyre sizes 7154/53/52 they seem to be correct. 54 smallest and 52 being the larger. See attached image. I just looked up your 39241 which seems to be similar and the part number for the traction tyre is 7152. I just cant figure out why its so much smaller even being rubber and stretchable. This is what makes it the hardest to replace. EDITED to add, replaced the 2 130 curve sections with a pair of new tracks and well running the loco by itself no more slip here and with 3 freight cars no slip. Need to dig into a few boxes to find more spare track. IMG_0820.jpeg
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Offline rhfil  
#10 Posted : 07 January 2026 14:07:09(UTC)
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Before replacing more track you might try cleaning it with the rubbing alcohol. That is the only way I clean my track. I use felt furniture pads with rubbing alcohol on. One common sin of model railroad hobbyists is over-oiling the models wheels and thereby getting oil on the rails.
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Offline 4matic  
#11 Posted : 07 January 2026 14:51:11(UTC)
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The track cleaning car (marklin) has felt pads and these are soaked on rubbing alcohol, which i regularly run whenever a train is running. Usually at the end of the consist. Will give the removed tracks a good clean as well. But I suspect it’s just unique to this loco only. I also use the Noch felt pads attached to the bogies.
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Offline dickinsonj  
#12 Posted : 08 January 2026 00:58:36(UTC)
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It is so hard to diagnose problems like this remotely, but here is my experience.

First the design of the steamers (and prototypes) makes a big difference. As Tom (HO) said a lot of newer loks have problems, which I think comes from the long wheelbase of the drive wheels. That was a problem in the prototypes, and our models are no different. They are much more likely to get in a situation where the wheels with traction tires are not firmly in contact with the track, and then they will slip.

Second, anything that gets on the traction tires makes a huge difference. I had a loco that was a pulling champion and it never met a grade it could not conquer. When I was servicing it once I accidentally got some grease on its traction tire. That hill climbing champ would just sit and slip on totally flat track, let alone a grade. So I learned just how important clean traction tires are, and that they have to be absolutely clean to do their job.

Good luck and keep us informed.

Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
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Offline rhfil  
#13 Posted : 08 January 2026 01:38:14(UTC)
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Just as a check I would be tempted to clean the track with something clean and with alcohol - the felt pad if removable or one of the bogie pads or something else(all of those create drag) and see if they pick up anything from the tracks. Hopefully nothing but I am always amazed when I clean track at how much dirt or corrosion is removed.
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