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alonso231gery		#1 Posted : 27 February 2006 20:33:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,957 Location: Hellas (Athens)		I have a 3-pole motor and i want to upgrade it,i have never before a serious experience with changing decoders and 5-pole motors. Can i upgrade the loco only by myself with the 5-pole kit? Or it is complicated,so is better my dealer to do it. I am willing to learn.
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rschaffr		#2 Posted : 27 February 2006 20:36:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		Nikos: It is not hard, but you will need to do some soldering. If you have some soldering skills you should be ok. The mechanical part of the installation is easy if it is one of the loks on the approved conversion list. If not, it may need some modification to the lok, the field magnet or the motorshield, in which case I wouldn't recommend trying it yourself for a first installation.
		-Ron Digital, Epoch IV-V(K-track/CS3/6021Connect/60216051), Epoch III(C-track/6021/6036/6051) http://www.sem-co.com/~rschaffr/trains/trains.html
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alonso231gery		#3 Posted : 27 February 2006 21:01:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,957 Location: Hellas (Athens)		The loco that i want to upgrade is the one at the 29815 set with the rotary crane.
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rschaffr		#4 Posted : 27 February 2006 21:13:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		I don't know that lok, but I beleive it is a DCM (drum commutator motor) so should be rather straightforward to do.
		-Ron Digital, Epoch IV-V(K-track/CS3/6021Connect/60216051), Epoch III(C-track/6021/6036/6051) http://www.sem-co.com/~rschaffr/trains/trains.html
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ola.w		#5 Posted : 27 February 2006 21:40:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 13 Location: Gävle,		I have recently upgraded my loco from the same set with the 60760 kit and the decoder and motor was not any problem but I assembled it again it was to tight so I had to make some more space with a dremel. I got some soldering skills and it took me about one hour to remove the old parts, clean it and fit the new parts. However it took between one and two hours to mill out more space in the body of the loco. Anyway I can recommend the 60760 kit, much easier than a analog to delta conversion I did about a year ago. Made two conversions with the kit and its cheap to.
		Märklin | HO | K Track | Digital | III+IV
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franciscohg		#6 Posted : 27 February 2006 21:40:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,270 Location: Patagonia		Just put the xx901 kit and......
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foumaro		#7 Posted : 28 February 2006 09:47:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 4,420 Location: Attiki Athens Greece		I am allready confussed.It is very difficult for me to realize how some members of the forum can make all these changes to the locos. I am impressed.[:I]
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pa-pauls		#8 Posted : 28 February 2006 11:01:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,841 Location: Norway		Hello Nikos, As you have the CS I would recomend the kit 60921 with 5-pol motor and Mfx decoder. Greetings
		Pål Paulsen Märklin Spur 1 Digital, epoche 3
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franciscohg		#9 Posted : 28 February 2006 15:37:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,270 Location: Patagonia		But it would be nice to put a LS mfx, more if there is one specific for the loco, in that case it will be better to buy the kit as spare parts.
		German trains era I-II and selected III, era depends on the mood, mostly Maerklin but i can be heretic if needed XD, heresy is no longer an issue.. LOL
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Hemmerich		#10 Posted : 28 February 2006 20:21:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		ESU #62425. In addition to the DCM (drum commutator motor) parts, You'll also need a NEM pocket cable. Regards, Lutz
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john black		#11 Posted : 28 February 2006 22:47:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by foumaro <br />I am already confused. It is very difficult for me to realize how some members of the forum can make all these changes to the locos. I am impressed [:I] Panayotis: With our Guru Jorge's excellent advice [:p] it was a walk in the park. Even for me ... [xx(] Just do it, John
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franciscohg		#12 Posted : 01 March 2006 00:41:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,270 Location: Patagonia		Here you can check the parts that you need: http://www.x-train.de/grund/motorel.htm
		German trains era I-II and selected III, era depends on the mood, mostly Maerklin but i can be heretic if needed XD, heresy is no longer an issue.. LOL
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al_pignolo		#13 Posted : 01 March 2006 12:30:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/09/2005(UTC) Posts: 904 Location: bologna, BO		When you change the rotor from 3 to 5 poles, do you need to change the field inductors? (That is, re-wrap that thin copper wire?)[xx(] Bye
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franciscohg		#14 Posted : 01 March 2006 18:18:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,270 Location: Patagonia		Nop, you use a permanent magnet, you transform the motor into a DC one.
		German trains era I-II and selected III, era depends on the mood, mostly Maerklin but i can be heretic if needed XD, heresy is no longer an issue.. LOL
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Mikael		#15 Posted : 05 March 2006 02:29:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/09/2004(UTC) Posts: 959 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark		I have just installed a decoder in one of my loks today. No big deal for me, but I remembered this discussion, and I decided to take a few pictures along the way. Enjoy: http://www.ejberg.dk/gallery/trains/decoder/index.html
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Guus		#16 Posted : 05 March 2006 10:46:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Hi Mikael, Very nice pictures[:p]. What kind of soldering iron do you use? I've digitized my old BR44 and must say that the mechanical part of the conversion wasn't difficult. Soldering,although succesful,was a different story. Any advise will be appreciated. Kind regards Guus
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xxup		#17 Posted : 05 March 2006 11:29:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,472 Location: Australia		I have the Marklin 70910 which is great - price was comparable to other units I can buy down here...
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Mikael		#18 Posted : 05 March 2006 16:08:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/09/2004(UTC) Posts: 959 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark		I use an old Ersa 24V 60W soldering iron. Nothing special, but way better than a standard cheap iron, that plugs directly into the wall. BTW, I've updated the gallery with some more pictures, as I have finished the installation of my homemade head- and taillights. And what a task. I'm not going to do that again anytime soon. But I am very pleased with the final result.
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