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Offline Timnomads  
#201 Posted : 29 October 2023 17:04:32(UTC)
Timnomads

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Hi All
Got mine yesterday, great mover BigGrin . reading the instructions, should it come with a pipette for the smoke oil or do I have to buy this?
Tim
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Offline MU5T4N6  
#202 Posted : 29 October 2023 17:24:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Timnomads Go to Quoted Post
Hi All
Got mine yesterday, great mover BigGrin . reading the instructions, should it come with a pipette for the smoke oil or do I have to buy this?
Tim


Hi Tim,

It should come with one, yes. Mine had the pipette clipped into the tip part of the folding plastic blister
Cheers, Max
First offical Märklin Insider Stammtisch in the UK: maerklininsider.uk
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#203 Posted : 30 October 2023 01:51:09(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bph Go to Quoted Post
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Do you or others know if A3's was used on the Night ferry train (London Paris) with CIWL coaches? If it did happen, I presume it happened after the railways were nationalised in 1948 ?.




Hello bph,
Because the A3 locomotives were contained to the East Coast (LNER) route both before and after Nationalisation, they would not (in normal service) have been seen on the so-called boat trains which left London for Dover to Dunkirk or Calais.
This area was controlled by the Southern Railway, or the Southern Region of British Railways.
Many CIWL cars were built by British works (Birmingham, York etc) , so it is possible that an A3 may have been seen hauling these coaches for delivery to the continent.
Deliveries were often made on a train ferry from Harwich (whithin LNER and British Railways Eastern region) to Zeebrugge.

Kimball
HO Scale - Märklin (ep II-III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail HO (Queensland Australia, UK, USA) - 3 rail OO (English Hornby Dublo) - old clockwork O gauge - Live Steam 90mm (3.1/2 inch) gauge.
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Offline Timnomads  
#204 Posted : 30 October 2023 07:17:30(UTC)
Timnomads

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Originally Posted by: MU5T4N6 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Timnomads Go to Quoted Post
Hi All
Got mine yesterday, great mover BigGrin . reading the instructions, should it come with a pipette for the smoke oil or do I have to buy this?
Tim


Hi Tim,

It should come with one, yes. Mine had the pipette clipped into the tip part of the folding plastic blister


Thanks
Tim

Offline bph  
#205 Posted : 30 October 2023 11:11:55(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: bph Go to Quoted Post
..

Do you or others know if A3's was used on the Night ferry train (London Paris) with CIWL coaches? If it did happen, I presume it happened after the railways were nationalised in 1948 ?.




Hello bph,
Because the A3 locomotives were contained to the East Coast (LNER) route both before and after Nationalisation, they would not (in normal service) have been seen on the so-called boat trains which left London for Dover to Dunkirk or Calais.
This area was controlled by the Southern Railway, or the Southern Region of British Railways.
Many CIWL cars were built by British works (Birmingham, York etc) , so it is possible that an A3 may have been seen hauling these coaches for delivery to the continent.
Deliveries were often made on a train ferry from Harwich (whithin LNER and British Railways Eastern region) to Zeebrugge.

Kimball


Thanks. I was thinking perhaps if some were on loan or reassigned to the southern region at the end of the Steam era etc... but it seems like probably not.
For the night ferry route, CIWL built some F-type coaches that were designed to fit British loading gauge. And it has been made some HO models of them, so it could perhaps be a plausible combination.......
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Offline MU5T4N6  
#206 Posted : 03 November 2023 15:38:38(UTC)
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BTW, tomorrow evening at 6pm UK time, the Märklin Insider Stammtisch UK is holding the next monthly online Microsoft Teams Meeting, this time with the topic British H0. I will be showing my Flying Scotsman and other British H0 models. Anyone interested in joining, please contact me through our website: https://maerklininsider.uk/Contact/
Cheers, Max
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#207 Posted : 04 November 2023 03:48:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: MU5T4N6 Go to Quoted Post
BTW, tomorrow evening at 6pm UK time, the Märklin Insider Stammtisch UK is holding the next monthly online Microsoft Teams Meeting, this time with the topic British H0. I will be showing my Flying Scotsman and other British H0 models. Anyone interested in joining, please contact me through our website: https://maerklininsider.uk/Contact/


Hi,
That would be great to join in.
Unfortunately here in Australia etc the time difference is usually impractical.
Is there a possibility of viewing the event later in Teams.
Kimball
HO Scale - Märklin (ep II-III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail HO (Queensland Australia, UK, USA) - 3 rail OO (English Hornby Dublo) - old clockwork O gauge - Live Steam 90mm (3.1/2 inch) gauge.
Offline MU5T4N6  
#208 Posted : 04 November 2023 11:43:21(UTC)
MU5T4N6

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Hi Kimball,

I have sent you a PM with the link to the teams meeting, in case you still want to join.

I don't know if meetings can be recorded in Online Teams, but I will look into it for you.
Cheers, Max
First offical Märklin Insider Stammtisch in the UK: maerklininsider.uk
Offline xxup  
#209 Posted : 04 November 2023 12:02:25(UTC)
xxup

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So. I thought that I might join in for a quick look. After I clicked on the link my secure DNS reported:

UserPostedImage

I am sure that the Flying Scotsman is sexy - but is it porn? LOL
Adrian
UserPostedImage
Australia flag by abFlags.com
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Offline bph  
#210 Posted : 04 November 2023 19:15:40(UTC)
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Found this video of Flying Scotsman with some Fleischmann 5146/5147/5148 coaches: quite nice combination.


And I have finally received mine, and have started to play around a little with it and so far it is very nice.
several of the functions are on the Susi controller, and the Susi values are available on cs3, but unfortunately no documentation about what they control.....
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Offline mbarreto  
#211 Posted : 04 November 2023 19:28:53(UTC)
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I got mine yesterday but only tomorrow I can put it in the track.
I am impressed with it. The looks are superb!




Best regards,
Miguel
Mostly Märklin H0.


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Offline twmarklinfan  
#212 Posted : 04 November 2023 20:15:10(UTC)
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Hi all

I have been reading the manual on line and it references that this model is larger than the customary European loading gauge and swings out further especially on curves. It suggests checking line side objects such as signals, catenary masts for clearance.

Has anyone found any issues with this

Adrian
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Offline bph  
#213 Posted : 04 November 2023 22:04:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: twmarklinfan Go to Quoted Post
Hi all

I have been reading the manual on line and it references that this model is larger than the customary European loading gauge and swings out further especially on curves. It suggests checking line side objects such as signals, catenary masts for clearance.

Has anyone found any issues with this

Adrian


Standard copy-paste text/error/disclaimer?
the manual also incorrectly claims that it has a current-conducting coupler. ref page 32 English text
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Offline twmarklinfan  
#214 Posted : 04 November 2023 22:37:29(UTC)
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I haven’t got my loco yet but over on Marklin bar & grill forum there is a lot of discussion and I just wondered if anyone who has the loco has experienced any issues

Adrian
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#215 Posted : 05 November 2023 00:44:47(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bph Go to Quoted Post

several of the functions are on the Susi controller, and the Susi values are available on cs3, but unfortunately no documentation about what they control.....


It could be the capacitor module, I know that uses SUSI for setting it up. Does it come fitted with a capacitor module?

Offline MU5T4N6  
#216 Posted : 05 November 2023 00:46:52(UTC)
MU5T4N6

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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: bph Go to Quoted Post

several of the functions are on the Susi controller, and the Susi values are available on cs3, but unfortunately no documentation about what they control.....


It could be the capacitor module, I know that uses SUSI for setting it up. Does it come fitted with a capacitor module?



No it doesn't unfortunately.
Cheers, Max
First offical Märklin Insider Stammtisch in the UK: maerklininsider.uk
Offline bph  
#217 Posted : 09 November 2023 23:49:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Go to Quoted Post
Pictures/videos please!

Some more for you Wink, and others who are interested.

Click on the picture to open it in an extreme resolution of 32.000x11762 or 376 Mega Pixels. (the picture visible in the forum is just a low res one)
UserPostedImage

I don't have any British rolling stock so I experimented a little bit:
https://hovland.net/bilder/mj/FS_1.jpg
The Rheingold coaches are from the Märklin4228 set

UserPostedImage
The Wooden Orient Express coaches are from the Märklin 26922 set.

UserPostedImage

close up on the buffers, note that if you use the old close couplers etc it will touch the buffers on the Flying Scotsman.
UserPostedImage
The Wooden Orient Express is not too bad, if you ignore that it's not prototypical

And the most "British" wagon I have. (from the Märklin 4400e set)
UserPostedImage

Got inspiration for the Jaguar wagon from this picture:
UserPostedImage

Edited by user 10 November 2023 12:21:51(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Offline dickinsonj  
#218 Posted : 10 November 2023 03:16:36(UTC)
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Great pictures bph - thanks for sharing.

It looks like your Flying Scotsman is running with the same coaches that my SNCF 241 tends to steal. It will be interesting to see what people end up running this beautiful loco with, and if Marklin ever produces some appropriate coaches of their own.
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time.
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#219 Posted : 10 November 2023 23:33:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: twmarklinfan Go to Quoted Post
Hi all

I have been reading the manual on line and it references that this model is larger than the customary European loading gauge and swings out further especially on curves.....

Adrian


Hello Adrian,
Having received my Flying Scotsman and run on the layout with catenary masts etc. I find that statement difficult to understand.
The English loading gauge is smaller than the German and the 39968 Flying Scotsman model is smaller than the Märklin models of German 4-6-2 locomotives.
In fact it looks smaller even beside a BR38 4-6-0.
It is sensible anyway to check on a layout for any fouling of lineside structures.
I had no problem.

Kimball
HO Scale - Märklin (ep II-III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail HO (Queensland Australia, UK, USA) - 3 rail OO (English Hornby Dublo) - old clockwork O gauge - Live Steam 90mm (3.1/2 inch) gauge.
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Offline mbarreto  
#220 Posted : 11 November 2023 00:26:03(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post

....
I had no problem.

Kimball


Me neither! I am very satisfied as it looks a super model and I only see all positive aspects in this locomotive! A bit smaller than others, but that is like the prototype.
It doesn't compare to Germans or USA ones, but it is simply one of the best steamers I have! I am super happy with it!!!

I hope Märklin will produce the coaches and also the Gresley A4s (Mallard and Sir Nigel Gresley in blue)!
The coaches I prefer the cream and wine red ones and also the wooden ones.


Miguel


Best regards,
Miguel
Mostly Märklin H0.


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Offline kiwiAlan  
#221 Posted : 11 November 2023 01:42:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mbarreto Go to Quoted Post

The coaches I prefer the cream and wine red ones


These are what the UK rail fan people call "blood and custard" colour scheme.

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Offline kimballthurlow  
#222 Posted : 11 November 2023 10:04:51(UTC)
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Would anyone like to hazard a guess as to how many Flying Scotsman models have been sold to dealers and to the public from the Märklin factory?
From what I hear it has been a profound success worldwide.

If it has been a success, there may be reasons why Märklin coud produce other iterations or eras of this steam locomotive.
An A4 streamlined body with the same wheel arrangement and tender would be a natural design step (I guess).
And the same coaches will certainly fit well with both an A4 and an A3.

Kimball
HO Scale - Märklin (ep II-III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail HO (Queensland Australia, UK, USA) - 3 rail OO (English Hornby Dublo) - old clockwork O gauge - Live Steam 90mm (3.1/2 inch) gauge.
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#223 Posted : 11 November 2023 14:54:43(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
Would anyone like to hazard a guess as to how many Flying Scotsman models have been sold to dealers and to the public from the Märklin factory?
From what I hear it has been a profound success worldwide.

If it has been a success, there may be reasons why Märklin coud produce other iterations or eras of this steam locomotive.
An A4 streamlined body with the same wheel arrangement and tender would be a natural design step (I guess).
And the same coaches will certainly fit well with both an A4 and an A3.

Kimball


I have no idea how many they could have made, there is no metric for determining such a number without having inside information from the production department.

But they will certainly produce more models. From talking to people who know people inside Marklin, it is certain that they will produce more of them, and other variants such as the A4 series. They could not justify the capital cost of the required tooling and other development costs to produce just one run of a model, without having plans to produce other variants. It wouldn't make economic sense unless the customer was prepared to pay a horrendous price.

We also know they are looking seriously at doing coaching stock for it. This would also reinforce the likelihood of other models and variants being produced. Again developing and producing the tooling for a rake of coaches implies there would be several production runs of these, after all there are enough livery variations of Mk1 coaches. I wouldn't be surprised if the first run had a mix of liveries rather like is used in the current runs of the Flying Scotsman today.



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Offline mbarreto  
#224 Posted : 11 November 2023 19:00:56(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
Would anyone like to hazard a guess as to how many Flying Scotsman models have been sold to dealers and to the public from the Märklin factory?
From what I hear it has been a profound success worldwide.

If it has been a success, there may be reasons why Märklin coud produce other iterations or eras of this steam locomotive.
An A4 streamlined body with the same wheel arrangement and tender would be a natural design step (I guess).
And the same coaches will certainly fit well with both an A4 and an A3.

Kimball


I also would like to know which ones sold better: the Trix version or the Märklin version.

About other productions, I completely agree!

Miguel


Best regards,
Miguel
Mostly Märklin H0.


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Offline ParisTsirchoglou  
#225 Posted : 19 November 2023 09:30:08(UTC)
ParisTsirchoglou

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Greetings Everybody.

I also picked up my Flying Scotchman (my 11th steamer) and I am thoroughly “in love” with this fine loco. She is very beautiful and all the digital functions are fine.
I only have a question to you all. When the tender is adjusted to the “running position” (as far as possible from the loco) I notice that all the wires are very noticeable. On other locomotives, the wires are hidden. On this one (and maybe on other that I am not aware of) there is no attempt for the wires to be hidden. There is a small “forest” of wires.
I was wondering, do you see it too on your “Flying Scotchmen”???
Is it ok, or it is only mine???
Last night I watched 10 or more videos on YouTube and to be honest on some examples I notice those wires quite clearly. So maybe it is not only my locomotive …
Please if you have an opinion on this subject, share it with me…

With Best Wishes
Paris Tsirchoglou
Era I and Era II German and Swiss Steamers and E-Loks. Proud owner of a Challenger (-;
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Offline bph  
#226 Posted : 20 November 2023 21:57:09(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ParisTsirchoglou Go to Quoted Post
Greetings Everybody.

I also picked up my Flying Scotchman (my 11th steamer) and I am thoroughly “in love” with this fine loco. She is very beautiful and all the digital functions are fine.
I only have a question to you all. When the tender is adjusted to the “running position” (as far as possible from the loco) I notice that all the wires are very noticeable. On other locomotives, the wires are hidden. On this one (and maybe on other that I am not aware of) there is no attempt for the wires to be hidden. There is a small “forest” of wires.
I was wondering, do you see it too on your “Flying Scotchmen”???
Is it ok, or it is only mine???
Last night I watched 10 or more videos on YouTube and to be honest on some examples I notice those wires quite clearly. So maybe it is not only my locomotive …
Please if you have an opinion on this subject, share it with me…

With Best Wishes
Paris Tsirchoglou


Yes, the wires are noticeable, but I don't think it's too bad. the reason for this "forest" is probably because the SUSI function decoder is also located in the tender.
I counted 11 wires, and when looking at the number of AUX and SUSI aux used in the locomotive it makes sense. (note that I have not opened the tender yet)
If Märklin had placed the Susi decoder in the boiler, they could probably have reduced the number of wires. It is just speculation, but if the SUSI decoder has enough outputs they could probably have managed with 7 or 8 wires, with a Susi decoder in the boiler.
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Offline mbarreto  
#227 Posted : 20 November 2023 22:40:20(UTC)
mbarreto

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Some thoughts and a bit speculation:
The boiler already has he motor and the smoke unit.
The smoke unit has an heater inside (and a fan).
The circuit boards near the smoke unit may heat a bit more than needed and desired, so better they are located far away from the smoke unit.

In case the boiler is bigger or there is a thermal insulation between the smoke unit and the circuit board, then it could be preferable to have the circuit in the boiler too,
but in this case there were still several wires between the tender and the locomotive for the rear lights, the speaker, the tender corridor light and the slider, so a lot of cables too...
A decoder in the tender and an external circuit board in the boiler, or vice versa, doesn't seem to solve the problem either.



Best regards,
Miguel
Mostly Märklin H0.


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Offline ParisTsirchoglou  
#228 Posted : 21 November 2023 14:18:27(UTC)
ParisTsirchoglou

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Originally Posted by: bph Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: ParisTsirchoglou Go to Quoted Post
Greetings Everybody.

I also picked up my Flying Scotchman (my 11th steamer) and I am thoroughly “in love” with this fine loco. She is very beautiful and all the digital functions are fine.
I only have a question to you all. When the tender is adjusted to the “running position” (as far as possible from the loco) I notice that all the wires are very noticeable. On other locomotives, the wires are hidden. On this one (and maybe on other that I am not aware of) there is no attempt for the wires to be hidden. There is a small “forest” of wires.
I was wondering, do you see it too on your “Flying Scotchmen”???
Is it ok, or it is only mine???
Last night I watched 10 or more videos on YouTube and to be honest on some examples I notice those wires quite clearly. So maybe it is not only my locomotive …
Please if you have an opinion on this subject, share it with me…

With Best Wishes
Paris Tsirchoglou


Yes, the wires are noticeable, but I don't think it's too bad. the reason for this "forest" is probably because the SUSI function decoder is also located in the tender.
I counted 11 wires, and when looking at the number of AUX and SUSI aux used in the locomotive it makes sense. (note that I have not opened the tender yet)
If Märklin had placed the Susi decoder in the boiler, they could probably have reduced the number of wires. It is just speculation, but if the SUSI decoder has enough outputs they could probably have managed with 7 or 8 wires, with a Susi decoder in the boiler.



I totally agree, it is not bad at all. I just saw them ... and had to ask. I think that the "Flying Scotchman" is one of the most atractive locomotions in my collection.

Thank you for your replies.

Regards

Paris
Era I and Era II German and Swiss Steamers and E-Loks. Proud owner of a Challenger (-;
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Offline Vinedusk  
#229 Posted : 03 January 2024 23:18:02(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: AntoinePrt Go to Quoted Post


Hello,

What is the problem people have with Märklin making a H0 edition of a British locomotive instead of OO!? Instead of seeing the glass half empty, can’t you just see it half full?

Märklin does NOT plan to enter a competition with Hornby and co. Clearly the target isn’t the british market. They wish continental train enthusiasts to get the opportunity to own one of the most famous locomotive in the world and to run it on their layout. It’s as simple as that. Great Britain is the land that created the trains. You should be happy to get a British model, that fits the gauge you use in Europe and elsewhere. It’s a collectible, no doubts here.

They dare to do something in this way. It’s courageous as I do not see other train manufacturers taking this kind of risk.

The question of what should we put behind isn’t a question for a Märklin enthusiast. Indeed the notion of consistency with Märklin’s rolling stock and the association they make with locomotives isn’t their cup of tea. There are sufficient examples showing that the wagons/carriages they sometimes put behind a locomotive are not what would have been done in the real life.

Forget about the consistency, focus on the game. That’s the spirit!

A.


Hornby make 1/87 models under the Jouef, Rivarossi and Electrotren brands. So the Marklin Flying Scotsman model isn't really setting any precedents here.

Given Simba-Dickie's enormous experience in marketing toys of all classes, I doubt that the decision to make this model is either daring or courageous. This was not an uninformed decision. They are most likely 'right on track' with this release. Instead of asking "why would they release this model?"; a better question would be "Why wouldn't they release it?". I honestly thought that the Marklin S2/6 would be a flop. Clearly, I don't know what Simba-Dickie knows. Food for thought there.

As for suitable coaches, no-one has put up Rivarossi's Fleche D'or coaches as contenders.
IMG_1512 2.JPG
If someone has both, I'd love to see it.

Finally, Yes! Focus on the game!




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Offline twmarklinfan  
#230 Posted : 04 January 2024 09:28:26(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Vinedusk Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: AntoinePrt Go to Quoted Post
IMG_0941.jpeg

Hello,

What is the problem people have with Märklin making a H0 edition of a British locomotive instead of OO!? Instead of seeing the glass half empty, can’t you just see it half full?

Märklin does NOT plan to enter a competition with Hornby and co. Clearly the target isn’t the british market. They wish continental train enthusiasts to get the opportunity to own one of the most famous locomotive in the world and to run it on their layout. It’s as simple as that. Great Britain is the land that created the trains. You should be happy to get a British model, that fits the gauge you use in Europe and elsewhere. It’s a collectible, no doubts here.

They dare to do something in this way. It’s courageous as I do not see other train manufacturers taking this kind of risk.

The question of what should we put behind isn’t a question for a Märklin enthusiast. Indeed the notion of consistency with Märklin’s rolling stock and the association they make with locomotives isn’t their cup of tea. There are sufficient examples showing that the wagons/carriages they sometimes put behind a locomotive are not what would have been done in the real life.

Forget about the consistency, focus on the game. That’s the spirit!

A.


Hornby make 1/87 models under the Jouef, Rivarossi and Electrotren brands. So the Marklin Flying Scotsman model isn't really setting any precedents here.

Given Simba-Dickie's enormous experience in marketing toys of all classes, I doubt that the decision to make this model is either daring or courageous. This was not an uninformed decision. They are most likely 'right on track' with this release. Instead of asking "why would they release this model?"; a better question would be "Why wouldn't they release it?". I honestly thought that the Marklin S2/6 would be a flop. Clearly, I don't know what Simba-Dickie knows. Food for thought there.

As for suitable coaches, no-one has put up Rivarossi's Fleche D'or coaches as contenders.
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If someone has both, I'd love to see it.

Finally, Yes! Focus on the game!





And here is mine with the Rivarossi Flèche D’Or. It works for me



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Offline The Crocodile  
#231 Posted : 04 January 2024 14:06:26(UTC)
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After looking at all the pictures from those of you whom ordered it, I must say I am a little sad I didn't order myself one. I'm convinced that the market demands more british H0 from Märklin, and they know it. If a blue or green Class A4 comes, I will most definitely order it:)

Looking at the eBay prices, there seem to be rather few of them to start with, and they range between 590-750 euros, and from what I understand they were retailing for around 560 or so.
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Offline twmarklinfan  
#232 Posted : 04 January 2024 14:22:39(UTC)
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Hi,


I don’t know if this helps but here in the UK, Hattons have 3 in stock. Their price is GBP 526.50. I don’t know if they take off UK vat at 20% but then you might get duties etc your end.
Just a thought

Kind regards
Adrian
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Offline Vinedusk  
#233 Posted : 05 January 2024 22:38:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: twmarklinfan Go to Quoted Post


And here is mine with the Rivarossi Flèche D’Or. It works for me

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Thanks for that!

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Offline Vinedusk  
#234 Posted : 05 January 2024 22:55:02(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: twmarklinfan Go to Quoted Post
Hi,


I don’t know if this helps but here in the UK, Hattons have 3 in stock. Their price is GBP 526.50. I don’t know if they take off UK vat at 20% but then you might get duties etc your end.
Just a thought

Kind regards
Adrian


BWBahn shows in stock for EUR470 pre-tax.
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Offline Vinedusk  
#235 Posted : 07 January 2024 00:49:51(UTC)
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This might be what the complete coach set looks like. No idea if the coaches are used Elsewyr.
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UK posters might have insight to add.

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Offline steventrain  
#236 Posted : 08 January 2024 18:43:46(UTC)
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I have British Trix twin Pullmans about 1/80 scale and very closed to Flying scotsman.

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Trix with Hornby 1/76.

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Offline steventrain  
#237 Posted : 08 January 2024 18:47:59(UTC)
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I have british Trix twin 1950s Flying scotsman Note the 'Scotsman' nameplate.

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Offline kiwiAlan  
#238 Posted : 20 March 2024 16:14:12(UTC)
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Someone in the UK 'made an expensive mistake' buying a Flying Scotsman in Germany, apparently without getting the MWsT back and then paid VAT getting it into the UK - only it's three rail which doesn't work for him. So there is possibly a 'cheap' FS going ...

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Offline Nigel Packer  
#239 Posted : 20 March 2024 18:43:37(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Someone in the UK 'made an expensive mistake' buying a Flying Scotsman in Germany, apparently without getting the MWsT back and then paid VAT getting it into the UK - only it's three rail which doesn't work for him. So there is possibly a 'cheap' FS going ...




Sounds like a good deal for somebody, though personal collection only. Ian555 is nearby, but he already has one!

Nigel.
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#240 Posted : 21 March 2024 07:53:34(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
I have british Trix twin 1950s Flying scotsman Note the 'Scotsman' nameplate.

....

Hi Stephen,
What a lovely model the old Trix Twin is.
Thanks for sharing.
I have never been able to find out - does the TT Scotsman have a die-cast body?

Kimball
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#241 Posted : 21 March 2024 09:49:05(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: twmarklinfan Go to Quoted Post
I haven’t got my loco yet but over on Marklin bar & grill forum there is a lot of discussion and I just wondered if anyone who has the loco has experienced any issues


Yes, I ran mine around a friends C track layout pulling a set of Rheingold coaches. I couldn't get the train to do a single lap without the front pony truck derailing..

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Offline river6109  
#242 Posted : 21 March 2024 11:41:59(UTC)
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David, have you tried a horse truck instead of a pony truck LOL, most probably the spring hasn't got the right tension
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#243 Posted : 22 March 2024 00:37:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
..

Yes, I ran mine around a friends C track layout pulling a set of Rheingold coaches. I couldn't get the train to do a single lap without the front pony truck derailing..



I had to re-tension the leading bogie spring plate.
The brass? plate has 3 planes. I think I tried reshaping at the bends.
I got it right after a few attempts.

Kimball
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Offline MHJ87  
#244 Posted : 23 March 2024 04:56:19(UTC)
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Hi All

Yes I had a similar problem with the Flying Scotsman.

A little tinkering with the spring for the front bogie and I seem to have overcome the problem, though it took a few goes.

Regards

Michael
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#245 Posted : 23 March 2024 10:21:21(UTC)
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Thanks for the advice folks. I haven't had the time to look at the loco although it is next to my workbench. Does the spring need compression or a bit of an extending?
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#246 Posted : 23 March 2024 12:28:23(UTC)
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Hi David
The spring is a thin piece of brass between chassis and bogie.
It is shaped as an inverted shallow U to press down on the bogie.
So the legs of the U have to be bent to make it less shallow.
Kimball
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Offline steventrain  
#247 Posted : 26 March 2024 18:58:23(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
I have british Trix twin 1950s Flying scotsman Note the 'Scotsman' nameplate.

....

Hi Stephen,
What a lovely model the old Trix Twin is.
Thanks for sharing.
I have never been able to find out - does the TT Scotsman have a die-cast body?

Kimball


Yes the loco most of metal chassis and diecast body. But i have double check on tender metal body later.
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#248 Posted : 26 March 2024 20:56:34(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
I have british Trix twin 1950s Flying scotsman Note the 'Scotsman' nameplate.

....

Hi Stephen,
What a lovely model the old Trix Twin is.
Thanks for sharing.
I have never been able to find out - does the TT Scotsman have a die-cast body?

Kimball


Yes the loco most of metal chassis and diecast body. But i have double check on tender metal body later.



Came back after check and the tender was most of metal.

Loco and tender Weight over 700g.

I have also 1970s Trix trains flying scotsman loco and tender (heavy with motor) was plastic weight 680g.


Top 1970s -Trix train LNER apple Green and bottom - 1950s Trix twin model BR Green.

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#249 Posted : 11 April 2024 03:09:46(UTC)
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I am hoping for an LNER Apple Green version in the near future. The BR green isnt my favorite scheme wore by this engine. Beautiful model and I hope Marking does a Really nice set of LNER Teak coaches in the future. My wallet will be hurting if they do both the LNER Apple Green version and Teak coaches.
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#250 Posted : 13 April 2024 00:38:53(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: artfull dodger Go to Quoted Post
I am hoping for an LNER Apple Green version in the near future. The BR green isnt my favorite scheme wore by this engine. Beautiful model and I hope Marking does a Really nice set of LNER Teak coaches in the future. My wallet will be hurting if they do both the LNER Apple Green version and Teak coaches.


To do the LNER model #4472 correctly Märklin would need to pick a year and do the necessary research.
Is the market large enough for them to do that?

4472 changed from the LNER A1 class quite noticeably into the A3 class of the BR era as 60103.
LNER era chimney, tender, steam dome cover, lack of smoke deflectors and the right hand drive all differed from the preserved BR version modelled by Märklin in 39968.
A very apt description on the challenges faced by 1963 Flying Scotsman owner Alan Pegler (and anyone modelling a particular year) is here at the York Museum.
https://blog.railwaymuseum.org.u...ises-of-flying-scotsman/

Kimball

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