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bobhunt		#1 Posted : 05 March 2007 11:24:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/02/2007(UTC) Posts: 10 Location: Ocean View, Queensland		I am having some trouble with the powered level crossing. On unpacking it I installed it as per the instructions - yellow wire to the same terminal as yellow leads from points on the transformer. I aligned the blue contact indicators with the relevant signs on one of the road ramps, and a brown wire from a track terminal suggested by my dealer to the same terminal on the transformer as the brown wire to the points controllers. It worked perfectly. I then decided to separate the lead contact point from the crossing by snipping the contacts on a straight section and inserting it between the crossing and the contact. Did not work. I took the whole lot back to the dealer today and we tried to replicate my setup. The only difference was that he did not have a Central Station (rather an older digital controller) and provided that we did not attach the brown power wire it worked perfectly. Back here I have tried every combination I can think of and when I attach both the brown and yellow wires as per the diagrams the best that I can get is the warning lights constantly on, the gates up but pulsating and the crossing giving off a pulsating sound. I need help!!
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MärCo		#2 Posted : 05 March 2007 11:58:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,159 Location: The Netherlands		1) What do you have at home? A analog, Mobile Station or Central Station layout? 2) Are the arrows on the rails all at the same side? 3) Is the Central Station and the level crossing powered by the same transformer? That is not permitted.
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bobhunt		#3 Posted : 05 March 2007 23:28:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/02/2007(UTC) Posts: 10 Location: Ocean View, Queensland		1. Central station 2. The arrows and blue discs are all on the same side 3. The central station has its own transformer, the level crossing is powered by a separate transformer - as are the points and uncouplers. Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by MärCo <br />1) What do you have at home? A analog, Mobile Station or Central Station layout? 2) Are the arrows on the rails all at the same side? 3) Is the Central Station and the level crossing powered by the same transformer? That is not permitted.
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MärCo		#4 Posted : 05 March 2007 23:39:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,159 Location: The Netherlands		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by bobhunt <br />I then decided to separate the lead contact point from the crossing by snipping the contacts on a straight section and inserting it between the crossing and the contact. Did not work. I took the whole lot back to the dealer today and we tried to replicate my setup. The only difference was that he did not have a Central Station (rather an older digital controller) and provided that we did not attach the brown power wire it worked perfectly. Back here I have tried every combination I can think of and when I attach both the brown and yellow wires as per the diagrams the best that I can get is the warning lights constantly on, the gates up but pulsating and the crossing giving off a pulsating sound. I need help!! As far I understand it, it works perfect as you connect the level crossing according to the Märklin manual. But after that, what are you trying?
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nevw		#5 Posted : 06 March 2007 01:10:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		The crossing gets its power from the tracks. NOT a separate Transformer. REd/brown Lead from Crossing to positive on track AFTER the Contact Piece. Yellow from one side of Crossing to the Other. the Red/brown Wire shares the connection on one side. It is important that the Contacts on hte crossing are making good contact with the centre piece of the crossing. Nev Nev.
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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MärCo		#6 Posted : 06 March 2007 06:43:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,159 Location: The Netherlands		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw <br />The crossing gets its power from the tracks. NOT a separate Transformer. REd/brown Lead from Crossing to positive on track AFTER the Contact Piece. Yellow from one side of Crossing to the Other. the Red/brown Wire shares the connection on one side. It is important that the Contacts on hte crossing are making good contact with the centre piece of the crossing. Nev Nev. That is a very wrong way to connect a level crossing. The electro magnets from the level crossing will distort the signal from the Central Station. You will probably hear a humming sound.
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nevw		#7 Posted : 06 March 2007 07:12:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by MärCo <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw <br />The crossing gets its power from the tracks. NOT a separate Transformer. REd/brown Lead from Crossing to positive on track AFTER the Contact Piece. Yellow from one side of Crossing to the Other. the Red/brown Wire shares the connection on one side. It is important that the Contacts on hte crossing are making good contact with the centre piece of the crossing. Nev Nev. That is a very wrong way to connect a level crossing. The electro magnets from the level crossing will distort the signal from the Central Station. You will probably hear a humming sound. It is the only way it will work.and it does work. I went through this exercise 12 months ago. nev n
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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xxup		#8 Posted : 06 March 2007 10:45:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,593 Location: Australia		Wow!.. My M-track crossing which looks almost identical uses a separate transformer that has a common ground (brown wire) with the track ground (brown) wire.. I use computer control (used to be powered by the IB - but that's is a sad tale)..
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bobhunt		#9 Posted : 06 March 2007 10:49:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/02/2007(UTC) Posts: 10 Location: Ocean View, Queensland		Nev We have made some progress and thanks for the help so far. I rewired the crossing as you suggested and when a train enters it the warning light come on and remains until it has exited it. What does not happen is that the boom gates lower themselves. They remain vertical, vibrating. So more to do. Isn't it a pity that there is not someone from Marklin to assist in these types of situations - after all it is their product. Regards, Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by MärCo <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw <br />The crossing gets its power from the tracks. NOT a separate Transformer. REd/brown Lead from Crossing to positive on track AFTER the Contact Piece. Yellow from one side of Crossing to the Other. the Red/brown Wire shares the connection on one side. It is important that the Contacts on hte crossing are making good contact with the centre piece of the crossing. Nev Nev. That is a very wrong way to connect a level crossing. The electro magnets from the level crossing will distort the signal from the Central Station. You will probably hear a humming sound. It is the only way it will work.and it does work. I went through this exercise 12 months ago. nev n
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MärCo		#10 Posted : 06 March 2007 13:12:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,159 Location: The Netherlands		The power supply from the level crossing must be seperated from the Central Station. http://www.maerklin.de/f...;sb=5&o=&fpart=1
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Tony		#11 Posted : 07 March 2007 08:01:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/09/2004(UTC) Posts: 726 Location: Cape Town		Hi Bob A couple of years ago there was some discussion on connecting level crossings - may be of interest to you: https://www.marklin-user...amp;SearchTerms=crossing
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bobhunt2		#12 Posted : 08 March 2007 06:57:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/02/2007(UTC) Posts: 132 Location: Ocean View, Queensland		Thanks very much Tony - I have my electrical engineer on the job and will let you know the outcome. Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Tony <br />Hi Bob A couple of years ago there was some discussion on connecting level crossings - may be of interest to you: https://www.marklin-user...amp;SearchTerms=crossing
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bobhunt2		#13 Posted : 09 March 2007 04:24:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/02/2007(UTC) Posts: 132 Location: Ocean View, Queensland		I think we have solved the problem: *wire as per the diagram in the book using the separate transformer *attach the brown wire to the unbroken rail *improve the bridging contact between the ramps on the side of the crossing. Here's hoping!! Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by bobhunt2 <br />Thanks very much Tony - I have my electrical engineer on the job and will let you know the outcome. Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Tony <br />Hi Bob A couple of years ago there was some discussion on connecting level crossings - may be of interest to you: https://www.marklin-user...amp;SearchTerms=crossing
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kimballthurlow		#14 Posted : 18 March 2007 13:25:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,764 Location: Brisbane, Australia		I am using a 60652 Mobile Station, and it took me four hours to figure out, and get this working corectly. 1. Separate transformer to power crossing. 2. Arrows embossed on crossing plastic, and blue arrows on track set on same side. 3. Hooked up everthing, and red and yellow wires as per M diagrams, but I DID NOT HOOK UP THE BROWN wire. 4. Works perfectly except that the crossing buzzes, and also shakes a little, but I guess that is typical of solenoid devices. 5. I have the crossing set on double track, it looks good. Happy customer.
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steventrain		#15 Posted : 18 March 2007 13:32:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,692 Location: United Kingdom		Welcome to the forum,kimballthurlow.
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kimballthurlow		#16 Posted : 18 March 2007 14:01:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,764 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Thankyou Steven. After reading the forum on the "Dutch" Marklin family, I have aching sides. And I have to admit here that the Irish contributed greatly to Australian society. Well, probably more than greatly, my wife is pure Irish descent. But she gave me the impression that the Irish don't care much for Marklin, or any model train stuff, for that matter. Actually, while she watches TV, I can do almost anything and get away with it. regards
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Rowan		#17 Posted : 18 March 2007 20:37:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/04/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,278 Location: Brisbane, Queensland		Hi Kimball, welcome.
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nevw		#18 Posted : 19 March 2007 00:41:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Welcome Kimball, another for Brissie
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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xxup		#19 Posted : 19 March 2007 10:36:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,593 Location: Australia		G'day Kimball... I am in Brisbane too.. Irish wife hey! Thank God for the TV...
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nevw		#20 Posted : 19 March 2007 11:12:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by xxup <br />G'day Kimball... I am in Brisbane too.. Irish wife hey! Thank God for the TV...
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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nevw		#21 Posted : 19 March 2007 11:13:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by xxup <br />G'day Kimball... I am in Brisbane too.. Irish wife hey! Thank God for the TV... Maybe it time for us Brisbaneites to have a social greet and meet and a XXXX or two. Hands up who from Brisbane or near Brisbane.
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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xxup		#22 Posted : 19 March 2007 13:51:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,593 Location: Australia		Pick me! Edited by moderator 10 January 2011 20:12:25(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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nevw		#23 Posted : 20 March 2007 00:33:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		1. 2 Starters so far . One Stubby and 2 Straws. 2/ Meeting Point??
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xxup		#24 Posted : 20 March 2007 09:55:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,593 Location: Australia		1. More for us.. 2. Somewhere in Brisbane?
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kimballthurlow		#25 Posted : 09 April 2007 14:19:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,764 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Further on recent discussions. My level crossing 74922 works well on double track, and I have it connected to a separate transformer, and also use MS 60652. At this time, the separate transformer is used only for the level crossing. Today, I disconnected the separate transformer by mistake. <u>Hey presto!!</u> The crossing still works perfectly without the transformer. Now I realise it is in Marklin's interest to have everyone believe that you MUST have a separate transformer for this device. No hard fellings, because I will need it for lights and other devices anyway. And if I use a CS, the situation may change again. I thought this fact may interest other users. regards Kimball
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kimballthurlow		#27 Posted : 09 April 2007 14:40:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,764 Location: Brisbane, Australia		On going back over the posts, Nev W also has the crossing working without separate transformer. Just to clarify, I disconnected the transformer at the 240v, so any track wiring connections I did were still intact. regards Kimball
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Ayala		#28 Posted : 09 April 2007 19:11:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/12/2006(UTC) Posts: 79 Location: Lisbon,		Hi, probably this is not the best forum to post this question, but me too, I'm having problems regarding the installation of Viessmann Railroad Crossing Gate HO Refª5100 in a single way C-Marklin track, where the trains always run in the same direction. Can anybody help me or point me to the right forum in English, please? thanks Ayala
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efel		#29 Posted : 10 April 2007 01:39:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 800		Hi Ayala You can get english manual at: http://www.viessmann-modell.com/en/suche/suche.php You need either reed relays (7555) or "contact track" 24994. Follow the diagram given by Viessmann. If you use reed relays, and if it is a single one way track, you may use only 1 relay on each side (instead of 2 for a 2 way track, as shown on the diagram). Reed relays need magnet under loco. Viessmann crossing gate is a good choice for the gates can move very slowly, and are very realistic. Have fun Fred
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Ayala		#30 Posted : 13 April 2007 18:43:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/12/2006(UTC) Posts: 79 Location: Lisbon,		Hi efel, I managed to install the Viessmann RailRoad Crossing Gate HO Ref.5100. I installed 1 relay in each side because the trains runs only in one direction. And works find! Now I bought Viessmann "Indicating Electronic Warning Lights" Ref 5835 with 4 warning lights and 1x "blinking light device". The question now, is how I install the Warning Lights (ref 5835) with the crossing gate? I can't found an English Spoken Forum regarding Viessmann stuff.... Ayala
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efel		#31 Posted : 13 April 2007 20:19:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 800		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Ayala <br /> The question now, is how I install the Warning Lights (ref 5835) with the crossing gate? Hi, Referring to the 5100 "Assembly instruction" that you can download on the Viessmann site, you have to follow the connection of Figure 6. On that Figure, the wires on the right, going to the "switching contact", are the 2 red wires of a gate drive unit. As you have 4 lights you can use all the outputs of the 5065, instead of 2 as shown on Figure 6. Fred
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Ayala		#32 Posted : 14 April 2007 01:02:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/12/2006(UTC) Posts: 79 Location: Lisbon,		Okay, I know this is not a Viessmann forum, but I really need your help Here is the story: I installed a Viessmann Railroad Crossing Gate HO Refª5100 in a single way C-Marklin track, where the trains always run in the same direction. From the left to the right on the picture. It works perfectly. The cross gate close when the trains (with magnets) reaches Reed A, and opens when the train reaches Reed B. Red Wires 5,6,7 and 9 are not used! Now I want to install the Warning Lights (ref 5835) with the crossing gate (4x Warning lights), but I can’t figure out how to connect so many wires! Here's the picture: Now the questions: 1) where should I connect the black wires 1, 2, 3 and 4, that are connect to the Warning lights? 2) What should I do with red wires 5,6,7 and 8? I did not use them until now and the crossing gates works perfectly BTW, I'm using a separate transformer to power the crossing gate as well as the blinking warning lights! Any suggestion would be welcome! Regards Ayala
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clapcott		#33 Posted : 14 April 2007 03:11:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,448 Location: Wellington, New_Zealand		1,2,3,4 should be connected to the Yellow terminal
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efel		#34 Posted : 14 April 2007 10:28:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 800		Modify your diagram as follows: 1- Connect 1,2,3 and 4 to the yellow wire. 2- Remove the brown wire connecting the brown plug of the 5065 to the transfo brown plug 3- connect 6 to the brown plug of the 5065 instead 4_ Connect 7 to the transfo brown plug. Of course you may use 8 and 9 instead of 6 and 7. Fred
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Ayala		#35 Posted : 15 April 2007 00:49:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/12/2006(UTC) Posts: 79 Location: Lisbon,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by efel <br />Modify your diagram as follows: 1- Connect 1,2,3 and 4 to the yellow wire. 2- Remove the brown wire connecting the brown plug of the 5065 to the transfo brown plug 3- connect 6 to the brown plug of the 5065 instead 4_ Connect 7 to the transfo brown plug. Of course you may use 8 and 9 instead of 6 and 7. Fred Hi Fred it works! thanks a lot for your tips! I would never make it without your help! Ayala
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Rowan		#36 Posted : 18 June 2007 21:48:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/04/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,278 Location: Brisbane, Queensland		How did it all end up Bob?
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