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Offline Kyrannosaurus  
#1 Posted : 08 August 2018 11:01:16(UTC)
Kyrannosaurus

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Hi all,

Is there a rule of thumb for how many of these you need per unit distance etc. Just asking before I buy.

Regards,

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Offline jvuye  
#2 Posted : 08 August 2018 13:40:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Kyrannosaurus Go to Quoted Post
Hi all,

Is there a rule of thumb for how many of these you need per unit distance etc. Just asking before I buy.

Regards,


That is a tough question to answer simply!
The "densitity" depends on the shape of your layout, how much of it is straight alignment, how sharp are the curves, hox complex are the switch/crossings arrangment, etc. etc.
On straight you can go with one mast for 360 mm of track or even better for 500 mm of track , which makes it then look very prototypical.
For curves, the sharper the curve, the more mast you'll need.
**Very roughly** I'd suggest one mast per curved track unit .

I'd made a rough estimate based on the above, low-ball order the masts and wires , to avoid over ordering then when close to completion order the eventual fill-in materials.

I plan my layouts using Wintrack , which allows a more realistic calculation through their catenary planning system and builds your bill of materials in the process.
Still, it's never 100% accurate!Wink
Jacques Vuye aka Dr.Eisenbahn
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Offline Kyrannosaurus  
#3 Posted : 08 August 2018 13:51:00(UTC)
Kyrannosaurus

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Originally Posted by: jvuye Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Kyrannosaurus Go to Quoted Post
Hi all,

Is there a rule of thumb for how many of these you need per unit distance etc. Just asking before I buy.

Regards,


That is a tough question to answer simply!
The "densitity" depends on the shape of your layout, how much of it is straight alignment, how sharp are the curves, hox complex are the switch/crossings arrangment, etc. etc.
On straight you can go with one mast for 360 mm of track or even better for 500 mm of track , which makes it then look very prototypical.
For curves, the sharper the curve, the more mast you'll need.
**Very roughly** I'd suggest one mast per curved track unit .

I'd made a rough estimate based on the above, low-ball order the masts and wires , to avoid over ordering then when close to completion order the eventual fill-in materials.

I plan my layouts using Wintrack , which allows a more realistic calculation through their catenary planning system and builds your bill of materials in the process.
Still, it's never 100% accurate!Wink


Hi,

I just realised that my question wasn't well asked. My question isn't how many masts, but how many feeder masts. The ones that connect to the transformer. Marklin 7012 is the part. However, thanks for the answer as that information is also useful

Regards,
Offline Michael4  
#4 Posted : 08 August 2018 14:54:24(UTC)
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I use catenary with M track, analogue, and find that the connections on catenary are better (or perhaps my track is very battered).

Currently just one feeder mast on each track, these are loops roughly 3-4 metres in overall length. So around 8-10 metres worth of track. Of course things change when you start isolating sections etc.

I should probably double up but don't see the need.
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Offline H0  
#5 Posted : 08 August 2018 14:54:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jvuye Go to Quoted Post
For curves, the sharper the curve, the more mast you'll need.
This question is about the old catenary system where it is common to bend the catenary around the curves to reduce the number of masts.

@Kyrannosaurus: There are many rules of thumb.
Often you read that there should be a feeder every 3m or every 2m or every 1.5m. Some will tell you that a feeder every 5m will do and some will tell you they have a feeder every 10m and it works for them.
If you start with few feeder masts, make extensive test runs while you still can add more feeder masts.
Regards
Tom
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Offline river6109  
#6 Posted : 08 August 2018 15:09:48(UTC)
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buying new overhead wires and masts, there should be enough secure contacts all along your layout. so my opinion is 1 feeder masts, this of course depends on isolated sections, obviously you need extra feeder masts for these sections. the thickness of the wires should also minimize the voltage droppage on your layout.

regards.,

John
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Offline H0  
#7 Posted : 09 August 2018 07:43:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
buying new overhead wires and masts [...]
Yes, good advice.
Item 7012 is sold out at the factory and had the last appearance in the 2000/2001 catalogue.

Regards
Tom
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Offline Markus Schild  
#8 Posted : 09 August 2018 12:20:43(UTC)
Markus Schild

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Location: Wurttemberg
Hi,

I don't know your layout or your plan. But in many times the feeder masts you need for the signals are sufficient to supply the layout if they are also used to feed the layout.

Regards

Markus
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Offline TrainIride  
#9 Posted : 11 August 2018 17:32:19(UTC)
TrainIride

France   
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Posts: 1,910
Location: FRANCE
Hi,

On this last year video,
I was checking the new layout (L shaped 4m x 3m) supply:

  • Two regulators

  • One loco powered by tracks

  • One loco powered by catenary

  • Only one cable for feeding the tracks

  • Only one cable for feeding the catenary - only one feeder mast !


My old current-eater #3012 from 1961 is satisfied with Smile



Best Regards
Joël
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