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Hi all, Is there a rule of thumb for how many of these you need per unit distance etc. Just asking before I buy. Regards, Edited by user 26 August 2018 02:21:35(UTC)
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Joined: 01/03/2008(UTC) Posts: 2,883 Location: South Western France
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Originally Posted by: Kyrannosaurus  Hi all,
Is there a rule of thumb for how many of these you need per unit distance etc. Just asking before I buy.
Regards, That is a tough question to answer simply! The "densitity" depends on the shape of your layout, how much of it is straight alignment, how sharp are the curves, hox complex are the switch/crossings arrangment, etc. etc. On straight you can go with one mast for 360 mm of track or even better for 500 mm of track , which makes it then look very prototypical. For curves, the sharper the curve, the more mast you'll need. **Very roughly** I'd suggest one mast per curved track unit . I'd made a rough estimate based on the above, low-ball order the masts and wires , to avoid over ordering then when close to completion order the eventual fill-in materials. I plan my layouts using Wintrack , which allows a more realistic calculation through their catenary planning system and builds your bill of materials in the process. Still, it's never 100% accurate! |
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Originally Posted by: jvuye  Originally Posted by: Kyrannosaurus  Hi all,
Is there a rule of thumb for how many of these you need per unit distance etc. Just asking before I buy.
Regards, That is a tough question to answer simply! The "densitity" depends on the shape of your layout, how much of it is straight alignment, how sharp are the curves, hox complex are the switch/crossings arrangment, etc. etc. On straight you can go with one mast for 360 mm of track or even better for 500 mm of track , which makes it then look very prototypical. For curves, the sharper the curve, the more mast you'll need. **Very roughly** I'd suggest one mast per curved track unit . I'd made a rough estimate based on the above, low-ball order the masts and wires , to avoid over ordering then when close to completion order the eventual fill-in materials. I plan my layouts using Wintrack , which allows a more realistic calculation through their catenary planning system and builds your bill of materials in the process. Still, it's never 100% accurate! Hi, I just realised that my question wasn't well asked. My question isn't how many masts, but how many feeder masts. The ones that connect to the transformer. Marklin 7012 is the part. However, thanks for the answer as that information is also useful Regards,
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Joined: 02/02/2017(UTC) Posts: 694 Location: England, South Coast
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I use catenary with M track, analogue, and find that the connections on catenary are better (or perhaps my track is very battered).
Currently just one feeder mast on each track, these are loops roughly 3-4 metres in overall length. So around 8-10 metres worth of track. Of course things change when you start isolating sections etc.
I should probably double up but don't see the need.
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Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,443 Location: DE-NW
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Originally Posted by: jvuye  For curves, the sharper the curve, the more mast you'll need. This question is about the old catenary system where it is common to bend the catenary around the curves to reduce the number of masts. @Kyrannosaurus: There are many rules of thumb. Often you read that there should be a feeder every 3m or every 2m or every 1.5m. Some will tell you that a feeder every 5m will do and some will tell you they have a feeder every 10m and it works for them. If you start with few feeder masts, make extensive test runs while you still can add more feeder masts. |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS  |
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Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,875 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
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buying new overhead wires and masts, there should be enough secure contacts all along your layout. so my opinion is 1 feeder masts, this of course depends on isolated sections, obviously you need extra feeder masts for these sections. the thickness of the wires should also minimize the voltage droppage on your layout.
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Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,443 Location: DE-NW
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Originally Posted by: river6109  buying new overhead wires and masts [...] Yes, good advice. Item 7012 is sold out at the factory and had the last appearance in the 2000/2001 catalogue. |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS  |
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Joined: 14/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,802 Location: Wurttemberg
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Hi,
I don't know your layout or your plan. But in many times the feeder masts you need for the signals are sufficient to supply the layout if they are also used to feed the layout.
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Markus
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Joined: 23/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 2,061 Location: FRANCE
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Hi, On this last year video, I was checking the new layout (L shaped 4m x 3m) supply: - One loco powered by tracks
- One loco powered by catenary
- Only one cable for feeding the tracks
- Only one cable for feeding the catenary - only one feeder mast !
My old current-eater #3012 from 1961 is satisfied with Best Regards Joël |
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