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gauravk		#1 Posted : 15 October 2011 10:32:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/10/2011(UTC) Posts: 10 Location: India		Hi i am new to Railroading and have recently developed a layout on winrail. I have a question, i want a city line on my layout but i want the track to look like a tram line which is covered with concrete. I am thinking of using marklin k track and covering it up with plaster while leaving the rails and center studs exposed. Can i do this? Will the k track still work? Are there any kits or special tracks i can order?
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kbvrod		#2 Posted : 15 October 2011 22:15:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,597 Location: Beverly, MA		Hi all, Gaurav,welcome to the forum! Originally Posted by: gauravk Hi i am new to Railroading and have recently developed a layout on winrail. I have a question, i want a city line on my layout but i want the track to look like a tram line which is covered with concrete. I am thinking of using marklin k track and covering it up with plaster while leaving the rails and center studs exposed. Can i do this? Will the k track still work? Are there any kits or special tracks i can order? Just to get this right,you want track to run in the streets of a city but not a tram per say? You could use plaster for the outside of the rails but in between it would kind of hard to smooth out. What you could do is use card stock or styrene for that. Dr D
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cookee_nz		#3 Posted : 16 October 2011 10:14:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 3,956 Location: Paremata, Wellington		Originally Posted by: gauravk Hi i am new to Railroading and have recently developed a layout on winrail. I have a question, i want a city line on my layout but i want the track to look like a tram line which is covered with concrete. I am thinking of using marklin k track and covering it up with plaster while leaving the rails and center studs exposed. Can i do this? Will the k track still work? Are there any kits or special tracks i can order? I know the effect you are trying to achieve and done correctly it looks pretty awesome, but it can be quite fiddly. First thing is that K-track is not particularly forgiving of wet plaster - while the track is stainless steel, the center rail is not and rust may (probably will ) develop. I wonder if you can use some form of gap filler instead to make the concrete appearance, ie 'no more gaps' (Selley's) or similar? - it's still a slightly moist product but not as harsh as plaster and you have the advantage of being able to shape/sculpture it while it's drying. Getting is reasonably smooth will be fiddly, especially around the studs. I'd be interested to hear what others suggest as it's something I may ultimately want to do myself. Someone here is bound to have done it or seen it done. Cheers Steve Melbounre
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steventrain		#4 Posted : 16 October 2011 10:20:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,610 Location: United Kingdom		Hi Gauravk, Welcome to the forum.
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Goofy		#5 Posted : 16 October 2011 10:23:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,028		Originally Posted by: gauravk Hi i am new to Railroading and have recently developed a layout on winrail. I have a question, i want a city line on my layout but i want the track to look like a tram line which is covered with concrete. I am thinking of using marklin k track and covering it up with plaster while leaving the rails and center studs exposed. Can i do this? Will the k track still work? Are there any kits or special tracks i can order? Not sure if there is something to watch at youtube...
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pab		#6 Posted : 16 October 2011 12:38:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 2,755		Hi Gauravk, Welcome to the forum. I wanted to make a concrete floor in my loco shed. I used plastic a imitation concrete pieces (just bought in my local shop) and placed it between the tracks. Easy to cut with a hobby knive. Since the rails are higher than the pukos you have to make a new feeder for you trains. I used a T shaped piece between two parts of plastic. Make sure the wheels have enough space to move on the tracks. You can also use an imitation coble stone, asphalt or other pavement layer between you're tracks. You can also think of making your own pukos (like copper nails soldered to a strip) See the work in progress of the interior of my shed I have picture of the end result inside. I do have one of the completed shed from outside by night
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Renato		#7 Posted : 16 October 2011 16:35:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/03/2004(UTC) Posts: 976 Location: Gorizia, Italy		Hi Gaurav, A warm welcome to the forum. Cheers Renato
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Western Pacific		#8 Posted : 16 October 2011 17:26:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/09/2009(UTC) Posts: 841 Location: Lidingö, Sweden		Welcome, Just for information 3-rail systems exist in the real 1:1 world: Light rail line outside Grand Théâtre in Bordeaux (France). Another picture with a light rail train. More information about the APS (alimentation par le sol) can be found here: In French. In English.
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kbvrod		#9 Posted : 16 October 2011 17:34:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,597 Location: Beverly, MA		Hi all, WP,can't see the photos I don't think he is talking about light rail,as K-track certainly isn't. Pab,you need inspection pits in your lokschuppen. Dr D
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gauravk		#10 Posted : 16 October 2011 18:38:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/10/2011(UTC) Posts: 10 Location: India		Originally Posted by: kbvrod Hi all, Gaurav,welcome to the forum! Originally Posted by: gauravk Hi i am new to Railroading and have recently developed a layout on winrail. I have a question, i want a city line on my layout but i want the track to look like a tram line which is covered with concrete. I am thinking of using marklin k track and covering it up with plaster while leaving the rails and center studs exposed. Can i do this? Will the k track still work? Are there any kits or special tracks i can order? Just to get this right,you want track to run in the streets of a city but not a tram per say? You could use plaster for the outside of the rails but in between it would kind of hard to smooth out. What you could do is use card stock or styrene for that. Dr D Hi, Yeah i want it to look like tram tracks but i will run a marklin railcar on it. Ok yeah it would probably be a bad idea to use plaster in between rails. Anyways thanks for your help ill keep u guys posted on my progress and put up pics asap.
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gauravk		#11 Posted : 16 October 2011 18:40:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/10/2011(UTC) Posts: 10 Location: India		Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Originally Posted by: gauravk Hi i am new to Railroading and have recently developed a layout on winrail. I have a question, i want a city line on my layout but i want the track to look like a tram line which is covered with concrete. I am thinking of using marklin k track and covering it up with plaster while leaving the rails and center studs exposed. Can i do this? Will the k track still work? Are there any kits or special tracks i can order? I know the effect you are trying to achieve and done correctly it looks pretty awesome, but it can be quite fiddly. First thing is that K-track is not particularly forgiving of wet plaster - while the track is stainless steel, the center rail is not and rust may (probably will ) develop. I wonder if you can use some form of gap filler instead to make the concrete appearance, ie 'no more gaps' (Selley's) or similar? - it's still a slightly moist product but not as harsh as plaster and you have the advantage of being able to shape/sculpture it while it's drying. Getting is reasonably smooth will be fiddly, especially around the studs. I'd be interested to hear what others suggest as it's something I may ultimately want to do myself. Someone here is bound to have done it or seen it done. Cheers Steve Melbounre Hi, Thanks for the tip about the rust. Ill do some research on kinds of materials i can use. I was also thinking plastic wood. I guess ill haveto try out a few before i finally decide on a materiaL.
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gauravk		#12 Posted : 16 October 2011 18:42:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/10/2011(UTC) Posts: 10 Location: India		Originally Posted by: steventrain Hi Gauravk, Welcome to the forum. Thanks. Its great to be here. I never realised there was a another world out there full of marklin'ists'. Lol
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gauravk		#13 Posted : 16 October 2011 18:46:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/10/2011(UTC) Posts: 10 Location: India		Originally Posted by: pab Hi Gauravk, Welcome to the forum. I wanted to make a concrete floor in my loco shed. I used plastic a imitation concrete pieces (just bought in my local shop) and placed it between the tracks. Easy to cut with a hobby knive. Since the rails are higher than the pukos you have to make a new feeder for you trains. I used a T shaped piece between two parts of plastic. Make sure the wheels have enough space to move on the tracks. You can also use an imitation coble stone, asphalt or other pavement layer between you're tracks. You can also think of making your own pukos (like copper nails soldered to a strip) See the work in progress of the interior of my shed I have picture of the end result inside. I do have one of the completed shed from outside by night Hi, Thanks for the advice, ill probably try something like that as well. The pics really help. Nice loco sheds.... did u build it from scratch or buy a kit?
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gauravk		#14 Posted : 16 October 2011 18:50:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/10/2011(UTC) Posts: 10 Location: India		Originally Posted by: Goofy Originally Posted by: gauravk Hi i am new to Railroading and have recently developed a layout on winrail. I have a question, i want a city line on my layout but i want the track to look like a tram line which is covered with concrete. I am thinking of using marklin k track and covering it up with plaster while leaving the rails and center studs exposed. Can i do this? Will the k track still work? Are there any kits or special tracks i can order? Not sure if there is something to watch at youtube... Yeah iv been looking on youtube and have also done a search on google. Didnt come up with anything.
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Western Pacific		#15 Posted : 16 October 2011 20:06:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/09/2009(UTC) Posts: 841 Location: Lidingö, Sweden		Running a railcar sound like a nice idea. You could even have heavier trains, provided that you look at for instance Jack London Square in Oakland, California: Photo shot on January 2nd 2008 at 19h46 (or 7h46 pm) using a mobile phone, showing an Amtrak California train leaving Oakland. I believe it was going to Sacramento.
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pab		#16 Posted : 16 October 2011 21:29:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 2,755		Originally Posted by: gauravk Originally Posted by: pab Hi Gauravk, Welcome to the forum. I wanted to make a concrete floor in my loco shed. I used plastic a imitation concrete pieces (just bought in my local shop) and placed it between the tracks. Easy to cut with a hobby knive. Hi, Thanks for the advice, ill probably try something like that as well. The pics really help. Nice loco sheds.... did u build it from scratch or buy a kit? You're welcome It's a (Faller) kit with some enhancements (e.g. lights, stone innerwall)
		With kind regards Piet Brijs Website: http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~pabrijs Topic in Marklin-users.net: https://www.marklin-user...pics/18-Me-and-my-layout Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/pietbrs?feature=guide
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hxmiesa		#17 Posted : 17 October 2011 13:41:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,522 Location: Spain		cookee_nz probably understates the risk for rust. It will rust heavily!!! Using cardboard is a good idea. But I think the best solution is: Place a strip of conducting sheet-metal along the centerline where you want the track to go. Use some (cheap) generic 2-rail track. Fill the space between the tracks with what-ever materiel. Hammer in nails (with a small rounded head) along the centerline of the track. Connect the sheet-metal from under the track to a trafo, and the nail-heads will do the puko-job... The old Märklin-master (Profi-Tips, etc) did it this way.
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xxup		#18 Posted : 17 October 2011 14:35:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,477 Location: Australia		Didn't Peco make a track with removable center studs? This might be an easier way to get the center concrete look..
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Nielsenr		#19 Posted : 17 October 2011 18:22:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 883 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL		To expand upon Piet's and Henrik's posts, as can be seen from Piet's photos, you might consider trying to use standard two rail track connecting the rails together electrically. For the center rail you could use an N scale rail secured to the sleepers. Someone here on the forum did that for a hidden station since it was less expensive to buy lengths of two rail flex track and N scale rails than it was to buy standard Marklin track. The end result would have it looking like the real life photos posted. Robert
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kbvrod		#20 Posted : 17 October 2011 23:00:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,597 Location: Beverly, MA		Hi all,Adrian, Originally Posted by: xxup Didn't Peco make a track with removable center studs? This might be an easier way to get the center concrete look.. They did but I think it was discontinued.Erbert still makes their pukos. Dr D
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gauravk		#21 Posted : 19 October 2011 08:48:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/10/2011(UTC) Posts: 10 Location: India		Originally Posted by: hxmiesa cookee_nz probably understates the risk for rust. It will rust heavily!!! Using cardboard is a good idea. But I think the best solution is: Place a strip of conducting sheet-metal along the centerline where you want the track to go. Use some (cheap) generic 2-rail track. Fill the space between the tracks with what-ever materiel. Hammer in nails (with a small rounded head) along the centerline of the track. Connect the sheet-metal from under the track to a trafo, and the nail-heads will do the puko-job... The old Märklin-master (Profi-Tips, etc) did it this way. Hi, Well since im a first time railroader this seems a little complex...but i will give it a go. Thanks.
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DaleSchultz		#22 Posted : 19 November 2011 22:36:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2006(UTC) Posts: 3,997		here is how I did it (also K-Track) http://layout.mixmox.com/1/concrete-rails
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gauravk		#23 Posted : 29 November 2011 14:49:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/10/2011(UTC) Posts: 10 Location: India		Wow the end result is good. thats what im looking for. which brand of modelling clay did u use?
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DaleSchultz		#24 Posted : 08 December 2011 03:47:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2006(UTC) Posts: 3,997		I used some clay called DAS
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Bigdaddynz		#25 Posted : 08 December 2011 06:07:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,669 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: DaleSchultz I used some clay called DAS Which is readily available here in NZ, so folks in larger countries should have no trouble finding it.
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