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And a video about "Breemburg Hauptbahnhof" (= Big City Station on 1.35 sqm mentioned in the previous post #250): |
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Your posts 250 and 351 reminds me of this from Faller Gleisbaupläne 840  p. s. as well as Post #201 on the previous page. p. p. s. faller-ams.se link no longer works - removed references Edited by user 06 November 2024 23:32:47(UTC)
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Hello Ak,
I like your last post #253, a very ingenious track plan indeed.
I may be missing something, but would it be possible to indicate the Zero elevation datum on that layout please?
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Don't worry I found it - the little markers alongside the track showing elevation - thank you.
I missed them until I clicked to enlarge the image.
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Thank you Kimball. Even though you already detected the 0 elevation, I marked it in below image.The gradients can be chosen in such a way that they reinforce the impression of a mountain railway. The gradients could be harmonized and standardized at 3% to extend the 0 elevation range.  The absolute minimum in terms of elevation would be 8 cm height - see image below. Then there would also be room for crossovers to change the direction of travel. However, this would make the concept look less dramatic.  |
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Dunno if I shared this before - one of my favourite designs:  Description: "By eliminating virtually all trackage except a winding double-track main line, Robb Thomas, from Walkerton, Indiana USA, has managed to squeeze both a credible country scene and a bustling port metropolis into a 5x3ft (150x90cm) baseboard. The port is located in eastern Ohio on Lake Erie, and the countryside represents an Appalachian valley in Pennsylvania. A diagonal backdrop separates the two scenes on this N scale railroad."Source with some photographs (scroll down) in this 2007 publication: https://www.carendt.com/...special-mid-month-issue/ |
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Was this an inspiration for Density or just "great minds think alike"? |
Modeling Immensee, mile/km 0 on the Gottard. SBB Era V.
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Originally Posted by: rbw993  Was this an inspiration for Density or just "great minds think alike"? Well, I cannot speak for anybody else, but I consider myself a genius in my own mind.  |
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Above N scale design transferred to H0 scale:  A ruling grade of 3% is feasible on an area of 4 x 8 feet (ca. 1.2 x 2.4 m) as well as a depressed harbor basin. Between the scenic divider and the harbor basin there is still space for sidings on the top level. Each loop measures 10 m in length, so 20 m track length in total. Theoretically, the footprint can be reduced to 1 x 2 m, but then there is no room for the harbor basin or rail curve easements.  |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek And a video about "Breemburg Hauptbahnhof" (= Big City Station on 1.35 sqm mentioned in the previous post #250): Amazing actually, that I also own the same four locs... even the set AND the panorama car..  Both electric ones. I just learned how to have trains (same two of the video ) running on catenary..
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Originally Posted by: hermanvk
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Please note that this is the track plan forum.
Hence another twisted "dogbone" track plan on a 186 x 106 cm footprint:  With a limited supply of land and at the same time high demand for MRR space, the only option is to go up.  R1 curves are preferably hidden in tunnels, ruling grade is 3%, total track length just under 20 m, height difference from bottom to top is 24 cm. |
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Why stop here? How up can you go? Sorry, I've been drinking Cava with dinner.
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Originally Posted by: rbw993 Why stop here? How up can you go? Sorry, I've been drinking Cava with dinner. Well, one could cave in to reach four levels equalling an elevation of 32 cm on a 100 x 170 cm surface (when accepting a ruling grade of 4% and and the omitting of subtleties such as transition curves).   The lower return loop is inverted.  A valley with bridges would be ideal here, with scenery obscuring some trackage in the rear.  |
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This NMRA description of a basic freight classification yard caught my attention. Amalgamating the NMRA scheme ...  ... with an earlier twisted dogbone concept ...   ... I came up with this 4x8 ft idea:  The proximity of a big city serves as a pretext for the dense trackwork and operations of various trains. For ease of operation and minimal fouling of the mainline, the yard operates in a one-way mode. Assuming that the small classification yard is located between two larger ones (yard A and yard B) explains this arrangement: Trains originate from the distant yard A and are then hauled to the distant yard B. Freight destined to yard A is turned around - out of sight - in yard B.  The layout allows to break up a long US type freight train and serve various industries, while a passenger train could serve a suburban station (the upper deck trackage is open for interpretation and adjustments). A round trip for a train traveling the entire dogbone route measures 20 m and the arrival/departure ("A/D") track can hold a 4 m long freight train. A yard switcher can be parked on the yard lead tail track. With right-hand traffic, the uphill gradients are 3% steep and downhill slopes up to 4% Edited by user 30 November 2024 10:11:49(UTC)
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The world wants to know - are you going to build it?
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Never in the history of Marklin have I seen so many tracks on such a small space with so few houses.
Or something like that.
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Originally Posted by: rbw993 The world wants to know - are you going to build it?
Roger This can happen. It all depends on whether and how I manage to adapt the MRR collection to my hybrid living situation, namely whether I manage to transport the ATSF rolling stock and excess track inventory across several national borders. The aforementioned design would be suitable for ATSF, inspired by e.g. suburban Kansas City, Oklahoma City or Illinois City, I mean Chicago. |
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I am looking forward to seeing it...If it happens. |
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For entertainment purposes, industrial switching on a simpler basis in the meantime (195 x 95 cm), curvy but no S-curves.   |
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Looks like what happened to my glasses once AK! I like how you worked that extra crossing in there. It makes use of an otherwise empty circle.
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Another brainstorming product: A condensed pretzel with stub sidings inside one blob. With the help of the outer crossing outward and return journeys could be simulated. Concealing the inner pretzel would complete the illusion.  |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek I detected a really cool compact (100 x 160 cm) multi-level layout plan for M* C track. It is a single track main line complete with visible station and hidden shadow station (three tracks) on the ground level plus a branch line climbing up to a small terminus on level 3 - quite a long run for a short train. Visually very attractive. The main line level is easy to construct, while the branch line is more demanding. Still it is possible to play on the ground level while the upper level and landscape construction is still under way. Source (with track library): http://www.moba-trickkis...p;total=353&start=21 I built this one… need to finished this one. https://youtu.be/rgDeMxi_DEg?si=Zc6xjnK5onL0M-LT
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Nice ! I take the liberty of attaching a compressed version of your photo for simplified viewing.  I also enclose again the Mobatrickkiste track plan(s) for the uninitiated.   Edited by user 25 April 2025 11:37:14(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Another idea which I find aesthetically appealing: Long twisted bi-level mainline run without a single turnout. The N-scale layout is supposed to support two PC monitors placed inside the two circles, respectively.
Alsterstreek, if I need to realise this using c tracks preferably with R1 curves, is there something you can help me with?
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Like that?  Overall track length 865 cm on a 169 x 94 cm surface, 3.5% incline/decline for 8 cm overpass clearance.  |
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Track inventory:
4 x 24077
1 x 24094
25 x 24130
8 x 24172
3 x 24188
1 x 24206
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Thank you so much, Ak!! Much appreciated❤️.
For the next couple of years, I have space shortage for a 4*8 ft layout. I will realise this layout instead. I will split the gradient between the two levels. The size is just perfect for the space I have.
I will ensure not to keep the track parallel to the table edge this time.
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There is almost some Desmaigne Déjà vu going on here  |
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