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Offline Alsterstreek  
#251 Posted : 18 October 2023 02:14:18(UTC)
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And a video about "Breemburg Hauptbahnhof" (= Big City Station on 1.35 sqm mentioned in the previous post #250):

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Online Jimmy Thompson  
#252 Posted : 18 October 2023 11:44:41(UTC)
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Your posts 250 and 351 reminds me of this from Faller Gleisbaupläne 840

UserPostedImage


p. s. as well as Post #201 on the previous page.
p. p. s. faller-ams.se link no longer works - removed references

Edited by user 06 November 2024 23:32:47(UTC)  | Reason: add postscript

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Offline Alsterstreek  
#253 Posted : 30 December 2023 22:15:17(UTC)
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L-shape mind game on 2 x 2m with transition curves, maximum track elevation 18 cm, length of track 15.5 m
RGF1.jpgRGF1 Kopie 4b.jpgRGF1inventory.png
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#254 Posted : 31 December 2023 05:53:40(UTC)
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Hello Ak,
I like your last post #253, a very ingenious track plan indeed.
I may be missing something, but would it be possible to indicate the Zero elevation datum on that layout please?
Edit:
Don't worry I found it - the little markers alongside the track showing elevation - thank you.
I missed them until I clicked to enlarge the image.

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Offline Alsterstreek  
#255 Posted : 31 December 2023 13:55:03(UTC)
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Thank you Kimball. Even though you already detected the 0 elevation, I marked it in below image.The gradients can be chosen in such a way that they reinforce the impression of a mountain railway. The gradients could be harmonized and standardized at 3% to extend the 0 elevation range.
RGF1-a.jpg
The absolute minimum in terms of elevation would be 8 cm height - see image below. Then there would also be room for crossovers to change the direction of travel. However, this would make the concept look less dramatic.
RGF1-b.jpg
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#256 Posted : 07 April 2024 11:52:11(UTC)
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Two German brothers' H0 scale Model railroad under a billiard table

Photos with English narrative:
https://www.noch.com/new...nder-the-billiard-table/

Video:
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#257 Posted : 03 August 2024 16:46:29(UTC)
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Dunno if I shared this before - one of my favourite designs:

GLVRR2007.jpg

Description:

"By eliminating virtually all trackage except a winding double-track main line, Robb Thomas, from Walkerton, Indiana USA, has managed to squeeze both a credible country scene and a bustling port metropolis into a 5x3ft (150x90cm) baseboard. The port is located in eastern Ohio on Lake Erie, and the countryside represents an Appalachian valley in Pennsylvania. A diagonal backdrop separates the two scenes on this N scale railroad."

Source with some photographs (scroll down) in this 2007 publication:

https://www.carendt.com/...special-mid-month-issue/
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Offline rbw993  
#258 Posted : 04 August 2024 13:30:41(UTC)
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Was this an inspiration for Density or just "great minds think alike"?
Modeling Immensee, mile/km 0 on the Gottard. SBB Era V.
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#259 Posted : 04 August 2024 13:48:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: rbw993 Go to Quoted Post
Was this an inspiration for Density or just "great minds think alike"?

Well, I cannot speak for anybody else, but I consider myself a genius in my own mind.
Wink
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#260 Posted : 04 August 2024 14:00:38(UTC)
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Above N scale design transferred to H0 scale:
GLVRR4-3D.jpg
A ruling grade of 3% is feasible on an area of 4 x 8 feet (ca. 1.2 x 2.4 m) as well as a depressed harbor basin. Between the scenic divider and the harbor basin there is still space for sidings on the top level. Each loop measures 10 m in length, so 20 m track length in total. Theoretically, the footprint can be reduced to 1 x 2 m, but then there is no room for the harbor basin or rail curve easements.
GLVRR4art.jpg
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Offline hermanvk  
#261 Posted : 04 August 2024 15:53:25(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
And a video about "Breemburg Hauptbahnhof" (= Big City Station on 1.35 sqm mentioned in the previous post #250):


Amazing actually, that I also own the same four locs... even the set AND the panorama car..ThumpUp

Both electric ones.

I just learned how to have trains (same two of the video ) running on catenary..ThumpUp

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Offline hermanvk  
#262 Posted : 04 August 2024 17:32:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hermanvk Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
And a video about "Breemburg Hauptbahnhof" (= Big City Station on 1.35 sqm mentioned in the previous post #250):


Amazing actually, that I also own the same four locs... even the set AND the panorama car..ThumpUp

Both electric ones.

I just learned how to have trains (same two of the video ) running on catenary..ThumpUp


red_3021_img_2364.jpgred_3016_4018_img_2367.jpgred_3054_img_2360.jpgred_3036_img_2362.jpg


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Offline Alsterstreek  
#263 Posted : 06 August 2024 19:13:35(UTC)
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Please note that this is the track plan forum.

Hence another twisted "dogbone" track plan on a 186 x 106 cm footprint:
El3L3d.jpg
With a limited supply of land and at the same time high demand for MRR space, the only option is to go up.
El3L .jpg
R1 curves are preferably hidden in tunnels, ruling grade is 3%, total track length just under 20 m, height difference from bottom to top is 24 cm.
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Offline rbw993  
#264 Posted : 07 August 2024 02:31:11(UTC)
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Why stop here? How up can you go? Sorry, I've been drinking Cava with dinner.

Regards,
Roger
Modeling Immensee, mile/km 0 on the Gottard. SBB Era V.
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#265 Posted : 15 August 2024 20:05:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: rbw993 Go to Quoted Post
Why stop here? How up can you go? Sorry, I've been drinking Cava with dinner.
Well, one could cave in to reach four levels equalling an elevation of 32 cm on a 100 x 170 cm surface (when accepting a ruling grade of 4% and and the omitting of subtleties such as transition curves).Unsure
El12L.jpg
The lower return loop is inverted.
El11L3D.jpg
A valley with bridges would be ideal here, with scenery obscuring some trackage in the rear.
El11L3D-art.jpg
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#266 Posted : 29 November 2024 19:41:03(UTC)
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This NMRA description of a basic freight classification yard caught my attention. Amalgamating the NMRA scheme ...
Classification Yard.jpg
... with an earlier twisted dogbone concept ...
pp.pngPfeilerbahn trk.png
... I came up with this 4x8 ft idea:
PB2024new10art0.jpg
The proximity of a big city serves as a pretext for the dense trackwork and operations of various trains. For ease of operation and minimal fouling of the mainline, the yard operates in a one-way mode. Assuming that the small classification yard is located between two larger ones (yard A and yard B) explains this arrangement: Trains originate from the distant yard A and are then hauled to the distant yard B. Freight destined to yard A is turned around - out of sight - in yard B.
PB2024new10tp.jpg
The layout allows to break up a long US type freight train and serve various industries, while a passenger train could serve a suburban station (the upper deck trackage is open for interpretation and adjustments). A round trip for a train traveling the entire dogbone route measures 20 m and the arrival/departure ("A/D") track can hold a 4 m long freight train. A yard switcher can be parked on the yard lead tail track. With right-hand traffic, the uphill gradients are 3% steep and downhill slopes up to 4%

Edited by user 30 November 2024 10:11:49(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Offline rbw993  
#267 Posted : 01 December 2024 14:27:15(UTC)
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The world wants to know - are you going to build it?

Roger
Modeling Immensee, mile/km 0 on the Gottard. SBB Era V.
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Offline Willem99  
#268 Posted : 01 December 2024 15:05:16(UTC)
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Never in the history of Marklin have I seen so many tracks on such a small space with so few houses.
Or something like that.
Tim
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#269 Posted : 02 December 2024 15:33:35(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: rbw993 Go to Quoted Post
The world wants to know - are you going to build it?

Roger
This can happen. It all depends on whether and how I manage to adapt the MRR collection to my hybrid living situation, namely whether I manage to transport the ATSF rolling stock and excess track inventory across several national borders. The aforementioned design would be suitable for ATSF, inspired by e.g. suburban Kansas City, Oklahoma City or Illinois City, I mean Chicago.

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Offline rbw993  
#270 Posted : 02 December 2024 23:16:03(UTC)
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I am looking forward to seeing it...If it happens.
Modeling Immensee, mile/km 0 on the Gottard. SBB Era V.
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#271 Posted : 10 January 2025 18:25:39(UTC)
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For entertainment purposes, industrial switching on a simpler basis in the meantime (195 x 95 cm), curvy but no S-curves.
IMG_7389.jpeg
Bretzel2025v0.jpg
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Offline rbw993  
#272 Posted : 10 January 2025 18:30:05(UTC)
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Looks like what happened to my glasses once AK! I like how you worked that extra crossing in there. It makes use of an otherwise empty circle.

Regards,
Roger
Modeling Immensee, mile/km 0 on the Gottard. SBB Era V.
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#273 Posted : 16 March 2025 12:47:25(UTC)
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Another brainstorming product: A condensed pretzel with stub sidings inside one blob. With the help of the outer crossing outward and return journeys could be simulated. Concealing the inner pretzel would complete the illusion.
Pretzel2025-v9.jpg
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Offline Smudge  
#274 Posted : 23 April 2025 09:26:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
I detected a really cool compact (100 x 160 cm) multi-level layout plan for M* C track. It is a single track main line complete with visible station and hidden shadow station (three tracks) on the ground level plus a branch line climbing up to a small terminus on level 3 - quite a long run for a short train. Visually very attractive. The main line level is easy to construct, while the branch line is more demanding. Still it is possible to play on the ground level while the upper level and landscape construction is still under way.

Source (with track library):
http://www.moba-trickkis...p;total=353&start=21


I built this one… need to finished this one.
https://youtu.be/rgDeMxi_DEg?si=Zc6xjnK5onL0M-LT

Screenshot 2025-04-23 at 5.22.34 PM.png (18,120kb) downloaded 21 time(s).Märklin HO Layout build
Cheers
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#275 Posted : 24 April 2025 12:15:54(UTC)
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Nice !

I take the liberty of attaching a compressed version of your photo for simplified viewing.
Screenshot 2025-04-23.jpg

I also enclose again the Mobatrickkiste track plan(s) for the uninitiated.
1.png2.png

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Offline madhu.gn.71  
#276 Posted : 04 May 2025 14:01:54(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
Another idea which I find aesthetically appealing: Long twisted bi-level mainline run without a single turnout. The N-scale layout is supposed to support two PC monitors placed inside the two circles, respectively.


Alsterstreek, if I need to realise this using c tracks preferably with R1 curves, is there something you can help me with?
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#277 Posted : 04 May 2025 16:44:35(UTC)
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Like that?
Madhu2025-1-3D.jpg
Overall track length 865 cm on a 169 x 94 cm surface, 3.5% incline/decline for 8 cm overpass clearance.
Madhu2025-1.jpg
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#278 Posted : 04 May 2025 16:46:07(UTC)
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Track inventory:
4 x 24077
1 x 24094
25 x 24130
8 x 24172
3 x 24188
1 x 24206
1 x 24224
6 x 24230
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Offline madhu.gn.71  
#279 Posted : 04 May 2025 20:11:12(UTC)
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Thank you so much, Ak!! Much appreciated❤️.
For the next couple of years, I have space shortage for a 4*8 ft layout. I will realise this layout instead. I will split the gradient between the two levels. The size is just perfect for the space I have.
I will ensure not to keep the track parallel to the table edge this time.
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