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kiwiAlan		#51 Posted : 16 March 2023 14:13:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 7,715 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: clapcott In response to how the planned process for doing updates willbe done, I have the following response from Marklin. - If your WiFi is connected to internet, the MS WLAN can get what it needs from there. - If there is no internet connection you can download the update file from our web site ... the nugget in this is ... and install it via the web user-interface of the MS WLAN. We can now speculate what else might be available via the web user-interface May be a semi-ergonomic means to manage the layout signals and turnouts ... That is something I had considered - will the current cs2 PC program connect to the wifi box? Also does this then introduce a way to update a standard ms2 without using a cs2/3?
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clapcott		#52 Posted : 23 March 2023 07:18:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,411 Location: Wellington, New_Zealand		In response to a query re Lococards The 60667 MS2 WLAN no longer has a card reader integrated in the device. The space in the unit was needed for the additional technology.
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Minok		#53 Posted : 23 March 2023 07:44:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,303 Location: Washington, Pacific Northwest		Originally Posted by: clapcott In response to a query re Lococards The 60667 MS2 WLAN no longer has a card reader integrated in the device. The space in the unit was needed for the additional technology. Well that is a shame given how prone to loosing its mind and needing a reset the MS2 design is. So every time one must pull all the locos back to programming track to relearn them? Double bad for DCC only locos that you need to manually set up in the MS to get all the functions. Can it at least slave off of a normal MS2 to enable getting the data that way?
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clapcott		#54 Posted : 23 March 2023 08:46:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,411 Location: Wellington, New_Zealand		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: clapcott In response to how the planned process for doing updates willbe done, I have the following response from Marklin. - If your WiFi is connected to internet, the MS WLAN can get what it needs from there. - If there is no internet connection you can download the update file from our web site ... the nugget in this is ... and install it via the web user-interface of the MS WLAN. We can now speculate what else might be available via the web user-interface May be a semi-ergonomic means to manage the layout signals and turnouts ... That is something I had considered - will the current cs2 PC program connect to the wifi box? Also does this then introduce a way to update a standard ms2 without using a cs2/3? I am on the fence on the conveyed meaning, and whether it is the MS2 WLAN that has the "web user interface" or if it is in the 60117. it seems to me to be rather overkill to factor this into the MS2 WLAN itself when it (for operation) must connect to either a CS (home network) or the 60117 anyway! The stability (hardwired to power through the 60113/6) of the 60117 would appear to be a more logical coordination point, and maybe beter able to provide the file space for firmware images to ALL - MS2 legacy - MS2 WLAN - Trackbox
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clapcott		#55 Posted : 23 March 2023 08:50:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,411 Location: Wellington, New_Zealand		Originally Posted by: Minok Originally Posted by: clapcott In response to a query re Lococards The 60667 MS2 WLAN no longer has a card reader integrated in the device. The space in the unit was needed for the additional technology. .... Can it at least slave off of a normal MS2 to enable getting the data that way? I do have an outstandin query on the subject of " who is Master". If, (and I am not yet assuming it is possible until I get handon) the MS2 WLAN + 60117 can work with a 60116(3) WITHOUT another legacy MS2 6053/7,then it needs to be able to be the master, but even then - is it the MS2 WLAN OR the 60117 that holds the Roster details.
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clapcott		#56 Posted : 23 March 2023 09:02:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,411 Location: Wellington, New_Zealand		Originally Posted by: Minok Well that is a shame ... I concur, and would be inclined to cancel my order if not for my technical curiosity.
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mbarreto		#57 Posted : 23 March 2023 10:24:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,152		About the non existence of the card reader/writer it is not time yet to blame. Maybe it can save and read configuration to an external device. That would be much better than the cards solution. Let's wait and see... Miguel
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clapcott		#58 Posted : 24 March 2023 21:47:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,411 Location: Wellington, New_Zealand		Originally Posted by: mbarreto Maybe it can save and read configuration to an external device. That would be much better than the cards solution. you are refering to one aspect of transferring data. I am more interested in the operational selection of trains. I.e aleviating the non-ergonomic and time consuming need to change glasses and pick through 40 meaningless dots having to read the screen as you go. I would rather look at the trains
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mbarreto		#59 Posted : 24 March 2023 23:12:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,152		Originally Posted by: clapcott Originally Posted by: mbarreto Maybe it can save and read configuration to an external device. That would be much better than the cards solution. you are refering to one aspect of transferring data. I am more interested in the operational selection of trains. I.e aleviating the non-ergonomic and time consuming need to change glasses and pick through 40 meaningless dots having to read the screen as you go. I would rather look at the trains I understand your point of view, although I think the Mobile Station, even it can have up to 40 locs "pre-configured", it is not intended to be used with such a number. As a you say, the card is a fast way to select the desired locomotive. Miguel
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Minok		#60 Posted : 30 March 2023 04:32:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,303 Location: Washington, Pacific Northwest		Got a response from Märklin on the card reader removal and how to use cards Lok Cards in a System with the MS 2 wlan. If you have connected the first 60657 Mobile Station 2 to the track box, you can read in the locomotives via the card reader. The data of the locomotives are stored on the track box. When you then plug in the MS 2 WLAN, the data is transferred from there to the new WLAN MS2. So the wlan version can access the database stored in the trackbox or the CS. That means for running a small seasonal layout, the MS2 WLAN is a non starter of the loco is a DCC one where access to the higher functions is needed and dealing with the resetting that one has to occasionally go through with the MS2. Maybe the firmware will get more stable in the future. Or just stick to the mfx locos on those seasonal layouts.
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bph		#61 Posted : 30 March 2023 13:45:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 837		Originally Posted by: Minok Got a response from Märklin on the card reader removal and how to use cards Lok Cards in a System with the MS 2 wlan. If you have connected the first 60657 Mobile Station 2 to the track box, you can read in the locomotives via the card reader. The data of the locomotives are stored on the track box. When you then plug in the MS 2 WLAN, the data is transferred from there to the new WLAN MS2. So the wlan version can access the database stored in the trackbox or the CS. That means for running a small seasonal layout, the MS2 WLAN is a non starter of the loco is a DCC one where access to the higher functions is needed and dealing with the resetting that one has to occasionally go through with the MS2. Maybe the firmware will get more stable in the future. Or just stick to the mfx locos on those seasonal layouts. perhaps one possible solution could be to release a 60117 WLAN Receiver Box with a card reader. ?
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FrankF		#62 Posted : 15 April 2023 12:52:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 103		Manuals for Marklin 60667 - MS2 WLAN and Marklin 60117 - WLAN Box is now Online : https://static.maerklin.de/damcontent/42/84/4284cf4f34932f44c48d8fc41a1e03bb1681286109.pdf ( 60667 - MS2 WLAN ) https://static.maerklin.de/damcontent/b2/aa/b2aa90eea289731f61a6bebe4c9e51ba1681286133.pdf ( 60117 - WLAN Box )
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kiwiAlan		#63 Posted : 15 April 2023 14:35:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 7,715 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: FrankF Manuals for Marklin 60667 - MS2 WLAN and Marklin 60117 - WLAN Box is now Online : https://static.maerklin.de/damcontent/42/84/4284cf4f34932f44c48d8fc41a1e03bb1681286109.pdf ( 60667 - MS2 WLAN ) https://static.maerklin.de/damcontent/b2/aa/b2aa90eea289731f61a6bebe4c9e51ba1681286133.pdf ( 60117 - WLAN Box ) Some interesting items in the Receiver - the web page can only be accessed while there are 60667 devices attached. There are no specific instructions about the web page setup, so presumably it is pretty simple.
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clapcott		#64 Posted : 17 April 2023 02:40:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,411 Location: Wellington, New_Zealand		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Some interesting items in the Receiver - the web page can only be accessed while there are 60667 devices attached. ... Umm. 60117 ( 60117 WLAN Box is a WLAN receiver) " Web Interface A Smartphone or a PC (with WLAN) can access the WLAN Box as long as the 60117 WLAN Box is not connected to the 60667 Mobile Station WLAN. " 60667 " Web Interface When the Mobile Station WLAN is not connected to a router or the 60117 WLAN Box, you can access the Mobile Station from a PC (with WLAN) or a Smartphone. "
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Minok		#65 Posted : 17 April 2023 03:33:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,303 Location: Washington, Pacific Northwest		Originally Posted by: clapcott Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Some interesting items in the Receiver - the web page can only be accessed while there are 60667 devices attached. ... Umm. 60117 ( 60117 WLAN Box is a WLAN receiver) " Web Interface A Smartphone or a PC (with WLAN) can access the WLAN Box as long as the 60117 WLAN Box is not connected to the 60667 Mobile Station WLAN. " 60667 " Web Interface When the Mobile Station WLAN is not connected to a router or the 60117 WLAN Box, you can access the Mobile Station from a PC (with WLAN) or a Smartphone. " Indeed. Now the question is , what are the limited things the web interface allows. Or without a smartphone can one operate a locomotive via the web interface? Or is there no need to even bother with an MS2wlan ?
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clapcott		#66 Posted : 17 April 2023 05:16:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,411 Location: Wellington, New_Zealand		Originally Posted by: Minok Indeed. Now the question is , what are the limited things the web interface allows. Or without a smartphone can one operate a locomotive via the web interface? Or is there no need to even bother with an MS2wlan ? Personally I remain unsatisfied to either It might be a bit derogatory for me to suggest that the statements come from a test set up that had both the PC and the MS-WLan set statically to the same address. i.e. the tester would obviously encounter conflicts and may not know any different As to the use of "Web Interface" (emphasis on the "Web") Then while it may be that the units have the bloated WebApp ("Control") of a CS3 , I might suggest it is more likely to be terser API (CAN over Ethernet) - with maybe an improved TCP rather than UDP implementation There is a need to differentiate configuration/management vs operation. Setup of configuration, including address mapping of the 4 IR addresses, an code updates are one thing and require a rather simple UI For operation, even a stunted "layout diagram" WebApp would be a big plus for MS only users
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H0		#67 Posted : 17 April 2023 09:37:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,102 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: bph perhaps one possible solution could be to release a 60117 WLAN Receiver Box with a card reader. ? Not for all use-cases. You can simply select a loco on the MS2 by pushing in the loco card, even if the loco is already in the system. A card reader in the track box would cover the "backup" use-case, but not the "quick selection" use-case.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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Goofy		#68 Posted : 17 April 2023 17:19:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 8,875		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: bph perhaps one possible solution could be to release a 60117 WLAN Receiver Box with a card reader. ? Not for all use-cases. You can simply select a loco on the MS2 by pushing in the loco card, even if the loco is already in the system. A card reader in the track box would cover the "backup" use-case, but not the "quick selection" use-case. Are you sure about that? Customer who buy Brawas digital loco for the Märklin tracks follow a card with mfx protocol to read up in the system like MS2 or CS3. The problem is just that there was complain about Brawas card and Märklin did react this problem too. Märklin decides to let the market produce decoder to allow mfx protocol in the decoder and not to use cards like Brawas. However Brawa don´t want to stop use cards for theirs ac locomotives. Next step is to stop cards in the CS3? That will be possible when Märklin decides to stop use cards in the system.
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H0		#69 Posted : 17 April 2023 18:31:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,102 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Goofy Customer who buy Brawas digital loco for the Märklin tracks follow a card with mfx protocol to read up in the system like MS2 or CS3. AFAIK the cards included by BRAWA are for DCC and address 3. No card needed for mfx locos. Cards for mfx locos would have to be individualized, as they must contain the serial number of the decoder. That would make it complicated for BRAWA.
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clapcott		#70 Posted : 03 June 2023 11:45:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,411 Location: Wellington, New_Zealand		FWIW A peripheral aspect of the 60117 is its purported ability to support an IR connection from a Startup Base Station. I have a response about a couple of aspects I raised Q. Where is the IR lens , to aim the Base station at.. A. The IR receiver diode is installed in the receiver box 60117. We do not intend to relocate this IR diode to the outside. Rather unsatisfactory, but in anticipation of "line of sight issues I also asked Q. Is there an extension (cable with lens) available to allow mount the lens in a visible location or does the 60117 box have to be in "line of sight" Q. How long is the cable of the 60117 that connects to a Central Station , MS2 TrackBox or MS-II Hub A. The length of the connection cable of 60117 is about 60 cm. (I had no question about the MS WLAN itself However ...) The response went on to imply that the 60117 is not really for use with a CS (home ethernet network being the expectation) even though this connection is clearly shown in the manual. (and not everyone has (wants to have) a network in their train room).
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Minok		#71 Posted : 04 June 2023 00:14:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,303 Location: Washington, Pacific Northwest		I can imagine the use case of plugging it into a CS would only add the ability to use an IR controller with the CS, ie if you have your kids and want to let them control a train on the big layout from time to time. The MS WLAN can be connected directly via WiFi to the CS, so the box is mainly for those that don’t have a CS.
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clapcott		#72 Posted : 02 September 2023 09:33:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,411 Location: Wellington, New_Zealand		0823 dated manuals for the 60667 and 60117 are circulating. I detect little change except for the addition of "FCC" related references. Of interest, timing wise, is that accompanying certification related documents are dated as recently as last month (Aug 2023)
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Goofy		#73 Posted : 02 September 2023 13:41:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 8,875		You need rechargeable battery and battery charge. I reccommended you battery at least 950 mAh which should be enough to use.
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clapcott		#74 Posted : 03 September 2023 03:53:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,411 Location: Wellington, New_Zealand		Originally Posted by: Goofy You need rechargeable battery and battery charge..... The manual does not actually include the word "rechargeable" when referencing the alkaline battery option (as it does with NiMH) ... Installation of 4 micro alkaline batteries (AAA, LR03) for the voltage supply to the Mobile Station WLAN. Alternatively, nickel metal hydride rechargeable batteries can also be used. But on the topic of different battery types(/voltages) , I would say it is worth pointing out ... The type of battery used must be set under „MSW Settings, Type of Battery“. AND - a) what the setting within new 60667 is set to - b) If the UX offers an "enforced awareness" by requiring the user to choose an option on "first power up" It is nice that there is a reference to NiMH (usually 1.2V) as some devices require 1.5V (over their working range) Noting that, the label on the back of the 60667 states "4x AAA 1,5V" But I then wonder what the "Type of Battery" setting does that could not be automatically detected by todays technical capability. It may be as basic and (almost) inconsequential as determining the calibration of the "battery charge" indicator Edited by user 03 September 2023 12:30:16(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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Goofy		#75 Posted : 03 September 2023 13:47:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 8,875		Märklin did present two ways to use kind of battery types. However i do not recommended to use alkaline batteries due to MS2 draw possible a lot of power.
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H0		#76 Posted : 04 September 2023 08:54:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,102 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: clapcott But I then wonder what the "Type of Battery" setting does that could not be automatically detected by todays technical capability. It may be as basic and (almost) inconsequential as determining the calibration of the "battery charge" indicator I have seen that setting with digital cameras, too. I guess the "battery empty" level is lower for NiMH versus alkaline batteries.
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clapcott		#77 Posted : 05 September 2023 11:19:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,411 Location: Wellington, New_Zealand		fwiw, 60117 has gone green on marklin shop
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kiwiAlan		#78 Posted : 05 September 2023 15:11:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 7,715 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: clapcott fwiw, 60117 has gone green on marklin shop I wonder if the ms2-WLAN will be available by the time of the TREFF then ...
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clapcott		#79 Posted : 05 September 2023 23:58:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,411 Location: Wellington, New_Zealand		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: clapcott fwiw, 60117 has gone green on marklin shop I wonder if the ms2-WLAN will be available by the time of the TREFF then ... 60117 has gone unavailable again. p.s. the 60667 is "Mobile Station WLAN" , maybe MS WLAN, (i.e. not MS2) (not withstanding the comments like "... operation familiar from the MS2 ..."
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kiwiAlan		#80 Posted : 08 September 2023 11:28:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 7,715 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: clapcott Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: clapcott fwiw, 60117 has gone green on marklin shop I wonder if the ms2-WLAN will be available by the time of the TREFF then ... 60117 has gone unavailable again. p.s. the 60667 is "Mobile Station WLAN" , maybe MS WLAN, (i.e. not MS2) (not withstanding the comments like "... operation familiar from the MS2 ..." Well, as of today Joes Modellbahnladen shows the 60117 and 60667.
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Goofy		#81 Posted : 08 September 2023 17:05:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 8,875		It is possible a new upgrade present for the MS2 WLAN with more details.
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NewComix		#82 Posted : 12 September 2023 14:34:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/07/2006(UTC) Posts: 87 Location: Harsefeld, Niedersachsen		Hi, Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: clapcott fwiw, 60117 has gone green on marklin shop I wonder if the ms2-WLAN will be available by the time of the TREFF then ... I have it since Saturday and it’s working fine for me with my CS3. I really like it. Hopefully Märklin will provide some test devices during the Treff, so people can try it. Kind regards Jörg
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NewComix		#83 Posted : 13 September 2023 16:46:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/07/2006(UTC) Posts: 87 Location: Harsefeld, Niedersachsen		Hi Goofy, Originally Posted by: Goofy It is possible a new upgrade present for the MS2 WLAN with more details. first update came yesterday afternoon: Version 4.0.0.2. It was just a bug fix, most people won’t notice: Wrong calculation of CAN UID. kind regards Jörg
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