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kiwiAlan		#251 Posted : 29 July 2021 15:50:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,224 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: danmarklinman That looks quite cool :-) A Marklin one looks quite tempting👍 Can’t say the Piko one grabs me as my recent experience was not good on two different machines 🤔 You only need the Piko one if you are doing 2-rail, they are not competing with Marklin in 3 rail, just as Marklin are not competing in the 2-rail H0 market by leaving out the Trix H0 model. I note from the Modellbahn Kramm homepage that Piko are also doing a G Scale version, which I suspect may preclude Marklin doing a G1 version.
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danmarklinman		#252 Posted : 29 July 2021 19:50:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/10/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,388		Interesting 🧐 have Piko and Marklin done a deal? If so it’s a good thing personally 👍 Although Marklin may still do a gauge 1 version as G gauge is a little weird with its narrow gauge track and a standard gauge loco. Maybe LGB will not make one.
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Goofy		#253 Posted : 29 July 2021 21:00:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,143		I don´t like this way by cooperation with the Piko. Trix offers customer two rail with the mfx protocol which is a good deal by use CS3. But Piko never put this protocol mfx for the two rail models.
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mmervine		#254 Posted : 31 July 2021 13:01:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,887 Location: Keene, NH		Here's an additional new item: https://www.maerklin.de/...s/details/article/37784/ Set of 3 matching cars are: 43739
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petestra		#255 Posted : 31 July 2021 13:28:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 5,860 Location: Leesburg,VA.USA		Originally Posted by: mmervine Here's an additional new item: https://www.maerklin.de/...s/details/article/37784/ Set of 3 matching cars are: 43739 LOVE THIS! May just be my first ICE? Thanks, Peter.
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kiwiAlan		#256 Posted : 31 July 2021 13:43:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,224 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: mmervine Here's an additional new item: https://www.maerklin.de/...s/details/article/37784/ Set of 3 matching cars are: 43739 so this is an ICE-3 not the ICE-4 version that someone posted a photo in another thread with the German flag colours for the stripe.
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petestra		#257 Posted : 31 July 2021 14:02:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 5,860 Location: Leesburg,VA.USA		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: mmervine Here's an additional new item: https://www.maerklin.de/...s/details/article/37784/ Set of 3 matching cars are: 43739 so this is an ICE-3 not the ICE-4 version that someone posted a photo in another thread with the German flag colours for the stripe. Yes, Alan. This one is an ICE3. I hope they'll come out with the version you mentioned as well. Peter.
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marklinist5999		#258 Posted : 31 July 2021 15:58:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,402 Location: Michigan, Troy		What's wrong with the Piko? Reynaulds gave it an excellent review!!
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Bigdaddynz		#259 Posted : 31 July 2021 23:05:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,723 Location: New Zealand		Image of the Piko version Image of the Marklin version Image of the Rainbow ICE Images are all on Mike's site at Euromodeltrains https://www.euromodeltra...m/search/q?tag2=class218 https://www.euromodeltra...m/products/Marklin/37784
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Bigdaddynz		#260 Posted : 31 July 2021 23:08:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,723 Location: New Zealand		Any biters for the 218 Diesel? I guess it would go alright with a set of IC coaches, either single or double deck coaches.
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kiwiAlan		#261 Posted : 01 August 2021 00:51:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,224 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Any biters for the 218 Diesel? I guess it would go alright with a set of IC coaches, either single or double deck coaches. Not my cup of tea, it is a bit of a mish mash of design trying to look like a steam engine and an IC loco. I don't know what that particular private company normally hauls - it might be a coal train.
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Dimi194		#262 Posted : 01 August 2021 02:53:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 382		Originally Posted by: petestra Originally Posted by: mmervine Here's an additional new item: https://www.maerklin.de/...s/details/article/37784/ Set of 3 matching cars are: 43739 LOVE THIS! May just be my first ICE? Thanks, Peter. I also love it too! But the price
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bph		#263 Posted : 23 August 2021 18:47:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 1,034		The BR 44 1315 Märklineum locomotive is probably close to release. Based on the decoder project, it will be no 39889 and otherwise similar to 39884 in the decoder configuration. But it has an extra sound function in f25 with the locomotive history. observed it was available as a decoder project for download in mDecoderTool3.
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kiwiAlan		#264 Posted : 23 August 2021 21:06:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,224 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: bph The BR 44 1315 Märklineum locomotive is probably close to release. Based on the decoder project, it will be no 39889 and otherwise similar to 39884 in the decoder configuration. But it has an extra sound function in f25 with the locomotive history. observed it was available as a decoder project for download in mDecoderTool3. Clever deduction, always interesting to see what updates are available. I wouldn't be surprised that that will be the catalogue number, marklin do tend to use xxxx9 for special edition locos where there is a series of a loco. So first item for the Herbst New Items? (apart from the usuals of the Christmas wagons etc)
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vilithejou		#265 Posted : 23 August 2021 21:14:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 841 Location: Vic, Barcelona		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: bph The BR 44 1315 Märklineum locomotive is probably close to release. Based on the decoder project, it will be no 39889 and otherwise similar to 39884 in the decoder configuration. But it has an extra sound function in f25 with the locomotive history. observed it was available as a decoder project for download in mDecoderTool3. Clever deduction, always interesting to see what updates are available. I wouldn't be surprised that that will be the catalogue number, marklin do tend to use xxxx9 for special edition locos where there is a series of a loco. So first item for the Herbst New Items? (apart from the usuals of the Christmas wagons etc) I think that the first NH Herbst items are BR218 Cottbus MArklin/Piko lok and ICE3 Rainbow :-) In case three weeks for all info! Thank you very much for all
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mmervine		#266 Posted : 27 August 2021 21:54:13(UTC) Retweet
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5HorizonsRR		#267 Posted : 28 August 2021 00:45:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,907 Location: CA, USA		Originally Posted by: mmervine Fall locomotive for Swiss fans: https://shop.bahnorama.c...b-dampflok-c-5-6-nr-2977 Interesting, what is unique here- just the road number?
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Goofy		#268 Posted : 31 August 2021 22:50:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,143		Märklin present autumn news at 15 september.
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kiwiAlan		#269 Posted : 01 September 2021 00:41:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,224 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: Goofy Märklin present autumn news at 15 september. That is what Vilithejou said in this thread on 23rd august. And that is the date I would expect, as it is the weekend the IMA would have been at Marklin this year, until it was cancelled, and that event has become the time when the Herbst New Items are presented each year.
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Goofy		#270 Posted : 01 September 2021 18:57:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,143		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: Goofy Märklin present autumn news at 15 september. That is what Vilithejou said in this thread on 23rd august. And that is the date I would expect, as it is the weekend the IMA would have been at Marklin this year, until it was cancelled, and that event has become the time when the Herbst New Items are presented each year. I got information by Märklin yesterday and that´s way i did post my information.
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Sankch		#271 Posted : 07 September 2021 09:02:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2009(UTC) Posts: 68 Location: ,		Hi All, we may see the TGV Duplex in Lyria delivery that connects France to Switzerland. Enjoy your day Sank
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AntoinePrt		#272 Posted : 09 September 2021 12:01:30(UTC) Retweet
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vilithejou		#273 Posted : 09 September 2021 21:36:56(UTC) Retweet
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danmarklinman		#274 Posted : 09 September 2021 22:01:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/10/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,388		I hope the two NS freight sets are early 2022 🤔 Also I wonder what the surprise loco will be this year
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bph		#275 Posted : 14 September 2021 14:13:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 1,034		Haven't seen this mentioned before. Eurotrain exclusive model, Märklin 39639 BR 64 steam locomotive. https://www.maerklin.de/en/products/details/article/39639
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kiwiAlan		#276 Posted : 14 September 2021 19:51:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,224 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: bph Haven't seen this mentioned before. Eurotrain exclusive model, Märklin 39639 BR 64 steam locomotive. It was on the back of the German issue of the Marklin Magazine , I think 02/2021. i saw it advertised for pre-order on both Hunnerbein and Modellbahn-Kramm at that time.
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esgovipa		#277 Posted : 14 September 2021 20:36:29(UTC) Retweet
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AntoinePrt		#278 Posted : 15 September 2021 05:25:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/01/2017(UTC) Posts: 148 Location: Ile-de-France, Paris		Hello, Seems like some website have released the information already. Ref 37984 should be appreciated by many. I’ll order one for sure. Cheers. A. https://bahnorama.ch/dat...Herbstneuheiten_2021.pdf
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foumaro		#279 Posted : 15 September 2021 08:50:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 4,426 Location: Attiki Athens Greece		Originally Posted by: AntoinePrt Hello, Seems like some website have released the information already. Ref 37984 should be appreciated by many. I’ll order one for sure. Cheers. A. https://bahnorama.ch/dat...Herbstneuheiten_2021.pdf And one for me too.
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jerdenberg		#280 Posted : 15 September 2021 11:49:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,013 Location: Den Helder, Noord-Holland		Originally Posted by: AntoinePrt Hello, Ref 37984 should be appreciated by many. I’ll order one for sure. Cheers. A. Woohoo, a class 800 loco, after all these years! Only gripe: it's the excursion 844, not the era-IV loco. Jeroen
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Bigdaddynz		#281 Posted : 15 September 2021 12:45:40(UTC) Retweet
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Bigdaddynz		#282 Posted : 15 September 2021 12:55:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,723 Location: New Zealand		Hmmm, a Gauge 1 BR147, available in several liveries, plus more G1 container wagons. Not surprising since KM1 have also issued G1 container wagons, and they have a G1 Vectron on the way next year, which I have pre-ordered at a cheaper price than the Marklin BR147. An email has just come through with the brochure links English https://streaming.maerkl...ae_henh2021_Internet.pdf German https://streaming.maerkl...ae_henh2021_Internet.pdf French https://streaming.maerkl...ae_henh2021_Internet.pdf Dutch https://streaming.maerkl...ae_henh2021_Internet.pdf
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bph		#283 Posted : 15 September 2021 16:46:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 1,034		Originally Posted by: foumaro Originally Posted by: AntoinePrt Hello, Seems like some website have released the information already. Ref 37984 should be appreciated by many. I’ll order one for sure. Cheers. A. https://bahnorama.ch/dat...Herbstneuheiten_2021.pdf And one for me too. agree the 37984 looks quite interesting, and it also has "Dynamic smoke exhaust" I also observe in the manual, that the exploded drawing shows two "large" speakers mounted at an angle in the tender. That is promising in terms of sound quality.
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Bigdaddynz		#284 Posted : 15 September 2021 18:00:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,723 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: jerdenberg Woohoo, a class 800 loco, after all these years! Only gripe: it's the excursion 844, not the era-IV loco. Well, they do have to have some options available to be able to sell to you in the 2022 Neuheitin!
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mbarreto		#285 Posted : 15 September 2021 19:22:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,274		Hello all, One thing I am surprised is the 844 has a 37xxx item number. As Märklin usually reserves 39xxx for very accurate and more cared models, do you think it is intended to be a top model? Regards, Miguel
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marklinist5999		#286 Posted : 15 September 2021 20:42:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,402 Location: Michigan, Troy		Yes, near the top. New 3700 series are now MFX+, the main diffeence from 3900's seems to be fewer functions. Unless marklin has future plans for the 3900 designation as a new unique feature or drive system for premium models.
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mbarreto		#287 Posted : 15 September 2021 22:23:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,274		I thought more attention was given to details in the newer models of the 39 series. I hope you are right. For me sound functions are usually in excess and this 844 has the dynamic smoke that's a feature I really value! I am very positive about the 844! Regards, Miguel
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Bigdaddynz		#288 Posted : 15 September 2021 22:25:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,723 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: mbarreto One thing I am surprised is the 844 has a 37xxx item number. As Märklin usually reserves 39xxx for very accurate and more cared models, do you think it is intended to be a top model? All the Marklin Big Boys are 3799x numbers so I don't think there will be any issues with the 844 having a 37xxx number. The Challengers were 3911x numbers but price wise the 844 is the same as the Challengers, so expect the 844 to be of similar quality. Originally Posted by: mbarreto ...this 844 has the dynamic smoke that's a feature I really value! Until the fans that blow the smoke around fail, that is....... Dynamic Smoke is a neat feature, the reason the smoke comes out of the bottom of the cylinders is because there are some fans in behind that blow the smoke around. In my KM1 1 Gauge BR01 the fans are installed in the actual smoke unit. Given how small the 1 Gauge fans are, and the fact that KM1 say you will need to replace the fans every 3 or 4 years makes me wonder about the use of Dynamic Smoke in H0 models. Still, the 844 is a nice model and I'm tempted but then I'm tempted by lots of things in the catalog! Have a look at the pictures in https://www.marklin-user...KM1-01-180-1-Gauge-loco- to see how small the fans are in a G1 loco.
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mbarreto		#289 Posted : 15 September 2021 22:33:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,274		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Originally Posted by: mbarreto One thing I am surprised is the 844 has a 37xxx item number. As Märklin usually reserves 39xxx for very accurate and more cared models, do you think it is intended to be a top model? All the Marklin Big Boys are 3799x numbers so I don't think there will be any issues with the 844 having a 37xxx number. The Challengers were 3911x numbers but price wise the 844 is the same as the Challengers, so expect the 844 to be of similar quality. Good rational. The Big-Boys are top, so I agree with you. Regards, Miguel
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Carim		#290 Posted : 15 September 2021 22:37:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/09/2014(UTC) Posts: 667 Location: London		For a moment, I got excited about the release of an IC2 in Z (87298). However, on looking at the pictures on the Märklin website, I see that it is just a repaint of their existing double-deck carriages - the cab car is very noticeably incorrect for an IC2. Carim
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foumaro		#291 Posted : 16 September 2021 15:27:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 4,426 Location: Attiki Athens Greece		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Originally Posted by: mbarreto One thing I am surprised is the 844 has a 37xxx item number. As Märklin usually reserves 39xxx for very accurate and more cared models, do you think it is intended to be a top model? All the Marklin Big Boys are 3799x numbers so I don't think there will be any issues with the 844 having a 37xxx number. The Challengers were 3911x numbers but price wise the 844 is the same as the Challengers, so expect the 844 to be of similar quality. Originally Posted by: mbarreto ...this 844 has the dynamic smoke that's a feature I really value! Until the fans that blow the smoke around fail, that is....... Dynamic Smoke is a neat feature, the reason the smoke comes out of the bottom of the cylinders is because there are some fans in behind that blow the smoke around. In my KM1 1 Gauge BR01 the fans are installed in the actual smoke unit. Given how small the 1 Gauge fans are, and the fact that KM1 say you will need to replace the fans every 3 or 4 years makes me wonder about the use of Dynamic Smoke in H0 models. Still, the 844 is a nice model and I'm tempted but then I'm tempted by lots of things in the catalog! Have a look at the pictures in https://www.marklin-user...KM1-01-180-1-Gauge-loco- to see how small the fans are in a G1 loco. I think that the price tag for the two Challengers was 750,00 euros.
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kiwiAlan		#292 Posted : 16 September 2021 18:59:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,224 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		I did gulp a bit at the cost of the G1 display cases, which appear to be a cross between a g1 trainsafe and a Roco/Fleischmann Smartrail system. Even allowing for the mechanism in the base that allows the wheels to run (which I suspect is a pair of bands similar to a Smartrail) with corresponding electronics and Wifi or Bluetooth interface (they don't say which it is, just that you use a web interface on your phone) this seems a bit bit high.
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marklinist5999		#293 Posted : 16 September 2021 20:17:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,402 Location: Michigan, Troy		It might be a photo pick-up synchronizing the smoke along with sound. Two feeds to the decoder rather than one. Fans to force the smoke past the cylinder though?
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mbarreto		#294 Posted : 17 September 2021 00:09:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,274		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Until the fans that blow the smoke around fail, that is....... Dynamic Smoke is a neat feature, the reason the smoke comes out of the bottom of the cylinders is because there are some fans in behind that blow the smoke around. In my KM1 1 Gauge BR01 the fans are installed in the actual smoke unit. Given how small the 1 Gauge fans are, and the fact that KM1 say you will need to replace the fans every 3 or 4 years makes me wonder about the use of Dynamic Smoke in H0 models. By some reason, yesterday I didn't notice this portion of your reply. I think the reliability of the fans is one of the causes for Märklin be presenting an H0 steamer only after others have done it (at least Roco and ESU). The fact that this is a huge locomotive may give more room for the fan (I think it will have only 1 fan), although obviously still less room than a Gauge I BR01. If the dynamic smoke will work ok in the 844, I think we will have it also in some Big-Boys, challengers and at least the Belgian steamers. I really would like to have it working in an H0 BR01. This locomotive and the BR 194 are my temptations for this year. I will decide when they will be available. Last year I only bought the RAm and the UP yellow coaches for the Big-Boy. Also some very few used analogue items.
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Dimi194		#295 Posted : 17 September 2021 00:22:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 382		Disappointed in the Xma car - it's so similar to last year, I had to go back and check it wasn't just a re-release of the same item! Happy with my decision to pre-order the Rainbow ICE - and wow those Gauge 1 models certainly look the part... and cost it too haha!
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kiwiAlan		#296 Posted : 17 September 2021 00:35:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,224 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: Dimi194 Disappointed in the Xma car - it's so similar to last year, I had to go back and check it wasn't just a re-release of the same item! yeah, it is the third year in a row that they have done a coach for the H0 Christmas wagon.
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Bigdaddynz		#297 Posted : 17 September 2021 01:13:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,723 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: foumaro I think that the price tag for the two Challengers was 750,00 euros. 39911 was 729.99€ and 39912 was 749.99€ RRP. Originally Posted by: mbarreto By some reason, yesterday I didn't notice this portion of your reply. I edited my post, and you probably read the first half while I was adding the 2nd half. I'm assuming there are fan(s) of some sort used for dynamic smoke based on my G1 experience but I don't know for sure.
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marklinist5999		#298 Posted : 17 September 2021 03:35:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,402 Location: Michigan, Troy		I saw a retail pre order price today for the new 844 of $719 US. That shop tends to be on the high side. As for sound functions, my 37474 has 28 functions total and I like them all.
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AntoinePrt		#299 Posted : 17 September 2021 03:38:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/01/2017(UTC) Posts: 148 Location: Ile-de-France, Paris		Hello, Attached are screenshots from the manual of UP 844. You clearly see the smoke module (Ref E353 931). It most probably works like the BR85 from Roco with the 1.5ml smoke fluid reservoir and a fan blowing the smoke according to speed. https://static.maerklin....41eb21d6a91628658502.pdf A.
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Zme		#300 Posted : 17 September 2021 06:59:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 803 Location: West Texas		Hello everyone Here is a link to new fall items for Marklin: https://streaming.maerkl...ae_henh2021_Internet.pdf Also on YouTube. Take good care Dwight
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