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Offline Marklineisenbahn  
#351 Posted : 30 September 2021 15:56:47(UTC)
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Here we go
Offline H0  
#352 Posted : 30 September 2021 15:59:26(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Marklineisenbahn Go to Quoted Post
Here we go
Here we go again: Still the wrong loco: 02 0201 and 02 0314 are completely different singletons.

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Offline mbarreto  
#353 Posted : 30 September 2021 18:04:48(UTC)
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The 844 and this BR 02, IMHO, are spot on decisions from Märklin and they also have all the features I like.
The only thing missing is the Telex in the back, but although it was good it is not super important (for me).

Until their announcement I was thinking the new items for 2021 were not exciting, but now, about these 2 new items I can't say that anymore.

Edit: The price is not spot on... (IMHO)

Miguel
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#354 Posted : 30 September 2021 22:07:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Eurobahnfan Go to Quoted Post
Now then... what are the odds a passenger set will soon follow?


Use the passenger set that was issued for the 39436 “Hochhaxige” / “High Stepper” from 2019. Comparing the two locos I suspect that Marklin has used the same chassis for both locos as they are both “Hochhaxige” / “High Stepper” locos (read the bumpf in the prospect for the 39027 and you'll see where I'm coming from).

Offline H0  
#355 Posted : 30 September 2021 22:27:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Comparing the two locos I suspect that Marklin has used the same chassis for both locos as they are both “Hochhaxige” / “High Stepper” locos (read the bumpf in the prospect for the 39027 and you'll see where I'm coming from).
The German text for the 02 0314 reads "Edelrenner", not "Hochhaxige".
The wheel diameter is different IRL, but that wouldn't stop Märklin from re-using the chassis. They used the class 111 chassis for the F-7 - no problem, both are Bo'Bo' locos.
They also used the BR 18.4 chassis for the streamlined 03.10 before they made a new chassis at some stage.

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Tom
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#356 Posted : 30 September 2021 23:17:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
The German text for the 02 0314 reads "Edelrenner", not "Hochhaxige".


OK, I'm going on the English in the prospect, but translation errors are not unknown. What would you expect Edelrenner to translate as? Google gives me "Premium racer" which I guess is similar to "High stepper" if one thinks in terms of race horses and the like.

I'm sure they will have had an eye on future products such as this one when designing the chassis for the 39436, even if the wheel diameter isn't the same. The two bogies superficially look like they have the same wheel diameter (which would make sense on the original locos anyway) so maybe a touch of milling on the chassis casting ...

I guess the next Insider magazine or Marklin Magazine will have an article on the new loco, so we will find out soon enough.

Offline H0  
#357 Posted : 30 September 2021 23:43:51(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Google gives me "Premium racer" which I guess is similar to "High stepper" if one thinks in terms of race horses and the like.
"Hochhaxige" means "high-legged", "long-legged" or "leggy". Maybe high-stepper was a somewhat inaccurate translation in the first place. Using the term again as a translation for "premium runner" now is also somewhat inaccurate.
The term "unique one-of-a-kind" also shows how carefully they set the words in the catalogue. Wink

I don't know which part of loco construction is really expensive. They can re-use the chassis of 02 0314 to make models of regular class 18.3 in the future.
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Offline foumaro  
#358 Posted : 01 October 2021 04:39:20(UTC)
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Are the marklin 42980,42981 wagon sets suitable for this locomotive?
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Offline river6109  
#359 Posted : 01 October 2021 05:23:27(UTC)
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As always, to late for their new items, Roco bought out this loco years ago (18201) and than with different versions after that., Roco also bought out a 2nd tender which I bought and converted with a motor, lights and fitted a sound decoder in it., the first tender has a lokpilot. , I would have bought the Märklin model because its not tender driven but as I said to late for me., I'm sure there will be many members who will buy this model

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Offline kimballthurlow  
#360 Posted : 01 October 2021 09:31:09(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: foumaro Go to Quoted Post
Are the marklin 42980,42981 wagon sets suitable for this locomotive?


Hello Panayotis,
I cannot see why not, I believe these cars would suit very well.
They are for era IV, and ran in both west and east Germany.
Even though the locomotive was not in service after 1971 these cars were likely in service before that time.

Märklin says these cars are for the train in 1976/7:
D 263 Hamburg - Büchen - Hagenow Land - Schwerin - Wittenberge - Nauen - Potsdam - Doberlug-Kirchhain - Dresden.
If I were to buy this locomotive, I would certainly try to obtain those cars which were produced in 2016.

regards
Kimball
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Offline mbarreto  
#361 Posted : 01 October 2021 11:56:55(UTC)
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Maybe Märklin is using the chassis of the 18.3 with some small changes for the BR 02.

The Youtube video in German is nice to see. Let's hope they have soon a translated one.

I don't see anything mentioning that the meters and levers inside the cab are painted and if that is the case it is a pity for a model like this. Maybe feature (cab painted inside) is only for models produced in Asia and this one it is not...

Miguel
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Offline marklinist5999  
#362 Posted : 01 October 2021 13:35:48(UTC)
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One dealers website macros must be askew. They sent an e-mail yesterday of it with the item number as the 800 Challenger. When I went to the site and looked at it, the item number was corrected.
Offline foumaro  
#363 Posted : 02 October 2021 04:24:00(UTC)
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Thank you very much Kimball.I have the train,now i must find the money to buy this great locomotive.
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Offline ParisTsirchoglou  
#364 Posted : 06 October 2021 15:28:07(UTC)
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Hello Everybody.
Sorry if this is answered before ... but do we have a possible release date on the 39027?
Regards
Paris
Era I and Era II German and Swiss Steamers and E-Loks. Proud owner of a Challenger (-;
Offline vilithejou  
#365 Posted : 06 October 2021 18:30:58(UTC)
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Hello Everybody.
Sorry if this is answered before ... but do we have a possible release date on the 39027?
Regards
Paris


My dealer says_ October!

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Offline Chrome58  
#366 Posted : 06 October 2021 20:17:47(UTC)
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I know I'm late to the party, but I did not see a reaction to the BR 103.1 in "fake" ICE livery (39173). What do you guys think of it ?
I know when I was a kid, I was an absolute fan of the BR 103 from Märklin.

And I must say I love this "fantasy" ICE livery ... Love

39173
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#367 Posted : 06 October 2021 20:39:22(UTC)
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I have one on order.......
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Offline H0  
#368 Posted : 07 October 2021 08:35:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Chrome58 Go to Quoted Post
And I must say I love this "fantasy" ICE livery ... Love
The loco is in IC livery, not ICE livery, celebrating 50 years of IC trains in Germany.

It's the livery of class 146.5 applied to class 103.1. The livery is real, but on this loco it is fictitious.
Regards
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Offline marklinist5999  
#369 Posted : 07 October 2021 11:11:17(UTC)
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Marklin needed a good slogan following the debacle of Kingsbridge capital management. I'm glad they survived that, and the great recession. Many didn't recover.
The br103 has been a class mainstay since the 1970s. No doubt it will remain in the Marklin program for a long time.
Offline H0  
#370 Posted : 07 October 2021 11:43:48(UTC)
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The br103 has been a class mainstay since the 1970s.
The new mould with the correct length came long after Kingsbridge.
It seems it has nothing in common with the old mould.

Regards
Tom
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Offline marklinist5999  
#371 Posted : 07 October 2021 12:42:51(UTC)
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Yes, and there are two cab lengths as well now. You have to admit, the quality boast Slogan from 2015 is catchy.
Offline vilithejou  
#372 Posted : 09 October 2021 08:12:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ParisTsirchoglou Go to Quoted Post
Hello Everybody.
Sorry if this is answered before ... but do we have a possible release date on the 39027?
Regards
Paris


My dealer says_ October!



Marklin Databse chango Oktober to November!

Joan Vilarrúbia
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Offline marklinist5999  
#373 Posted : 10 October 2021 16:23:20(UTC)
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Item #39379 br 101 has been announced for December release. This is the final Marklin ho locomotive to be converted to can motor and cardan drive from the old vertical armature and gear drive. The classic Marklin unique motor design is no more.
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Offline petestra  
#374 Posted : 10 October 2021 17:42:35(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post
Item #39379 br 101 has been announced for December release. This is the final Marklin ho locomotive to be converted to can motor and cardan drive from the old vertical armature and gear drive. The classic Marklin unique motor design is no more.


Looking forward to this one. Just placed order. Cheers, Peter. Cool

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Offline vilithejou  
#375 Posted : 11 October 2021 20:54:32(UTC)
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Offline Chrome58  
#376 Posted : 12 October 2021 07:59:16(UTC)
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I'm new to this, so maybe this is normal, but ...

I ordered at ZevenSpoor (NL) the CALTEX tank car (46537) which is part of the 2021 new items.
They answered me that the delivery was scheduled for ... 2022 !?!?
Is this normal ?
Offline foumaro  
#377 Posted : 12 October 2021 08:51:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Chrome58 Go to Quoted Post
I'm new to this, so maybe this is normal, but ...

I ordered at ZevenSpoor (NL) the CALTEX tank car (46537) which is part of the 2021 new items.
They answered me that the delivery was scheduled for ... 2022 !?!?
Is this normal ?

I placed my order for the 2021 items on 23/01/2021 for marklin 39991,39089 locomotives,marklin 46231 and trix 24121 wagon sets.I will get the 39089 at the end of 2021 and all the rest in the year 2022 after at least one year.This way of delivery is common.
Offline kiwiAlan  
#378 Posted : 12 October 2021 13:02:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Chrome58 Go to Quoted Post
I'm new to this, so maybe this is normal, but ...

I ordered at ZevenSpoor (NL) the CALTEX tank car (46537) which is part of the 2021 new items.
They answered me that the delivery was scheduled for ... 2022 !?!?
Is this normal ?


It can be. Just looking down the price list supplied by one shop in Germany, which has only items from the Autumn now Items on it, there are 22 items listed across all gauges as 2022 delivery, of which the tanker you mention is one.

It is not uncommon for items listed in the later NI brochures for the year to have delivery listed as being the following year. With the current pandemic affecting production lines even these dates can be quite stretched, a prime one being the ICE4 that marklin announced in 2019 as being 2020 delivery, and is still not delivered yet.

At some point marklin has to make plans about what it will deliver in the early new year, and depending what other items they may have planned they will announce these late the previous year. It is not really practical for them to deliver items from the new Items announcement they do at the Nurnberg toy fair immediately (although a number of items based on previously produced items may be delivered very soon after) so there is always some carry over from the previous year.

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Offline vilithejou  
#379 Posted : 15 October 2021 19:01:23(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: vilithejou Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: vilithejou Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: ParisTsirchoglou Go to Quoted Post
Hello Everybody.
Sorry if this is answered before ... but do we have a possible release date on the 39027?
Regards
Paris


My dealer says_ October!



Marklin Databse chango Oktober to November!



My dealer says #39027 Sold out!
Joan Vilarrúbia
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Fan of Märklín, Kroko lover
Offline xxup  
#380 Posted : 15 October 2021 23:52:00(UTC)
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My dealer tells me that they are doing another batch of 39027 and Trix 25027 due to the unexpected high demand.
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Offline marklinist5999  
#381 Posted : 16 October 2021 00:34:35(UTC)
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I wonder how many more? That is both good and yet bad for colector value. The more produced, the lower future values.
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#382 Posted : 16 October 2021 07:49:51(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: vilithejou Go to Quoted Post

My dealer says #39027 Sold out!


If that were the case the Marklin Product Database would show 'Sold out at the Factory'

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