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Offline hvc  
#201 Posted : 25 July 2020 09:10:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: applor Go to Quoted Post
I can post it Monday if interested.


Definitely interested!

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#202 Posted : 27 July 2020 06:04:58(UTC)
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Well here are my current station throat designs. Allows for a uni-directional platform track from each direction, a bi-directional platform track, bi-directional passing track and a bi-directional freight track.

The only issue is on the left side throat there is a 24912 wide curve coming off a wide radius curved point (instead of 24315) but it was the best option there as the alternatives looked terrible. Otherwise all OK.
I am not convinced with the right side station throat with that curved point, it doesn't look terrible but not great either.
The 24611 track and the 24330 will lead to some freight sidings, as that last track (5) is the bi-directional freight track, you can see a pocket off the left side for the changeover.

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#203 Posted : 27 July 2020 06:29:41(UTC)
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Right side with R9 switches instead of the curved switch, definitely a better look.

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Offline hvc  
#204 Posted : 27 July 2020 11:19:28(UTC)
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Looks good!

Just one suggestion- not better or worse, but you could save a bit of space (and make the station longer) with this...

Screen Shot 2020-07-27 at 7.09.08 PM.jpg

I have abused the curved turnout geometry somewhat, but it works in practice.

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Offline Alsterstreek  
#205 Posted : 03 August 2020 16:14:34(UTC)
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A Windows XP application by a German gent for determining straight C track combinations to attain a desired length:

https://www.henningvoose...oads/index_downloads.htm
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#206 Posted : 04 August 2020 09:34:05(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
Hi,
I want to be able to see a concentration of knowledge and ideas on Marklin C track in this forum.
............

I agree. The Marklin C track offers a good quality network construction system for appearance and structure.
I have only one very little regret.
- discrete sockets for B and O on the side of the ballast. It would be easier to implement connections.





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Offline Minok  
#207 Posted : 04 August 2020 17:43:23(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Garoux Go to Quoted Post

I agree. The Marklin C track offers a good quality network construction system for appearance and structure.
I have only one very little regret.
- discrete sockets for B and O on the side of the ballast. It would be easier to implement connections.


A separate clip on component that you snap onto the c track similar to some signals which connects to the B and O below and provides those sockets would be ideal , then there isn’t the need to make special variants of various track pieces.
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#208 Posted : 04 August 2020 18:33:21(UTC)
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I wholeheartedly agree. I am still operating a "carpetbahn" whilst planning my permanent layout when space permits. This does have the advantage that every time I put the track together I try out a new configuration which teaches me what works and what doesn't. However, I really detest trying to push the spade connectors from my 60116 box onto the nearest track piece. Sometimes they just slide on, other times I spend ages pushing them with pliers. Also the red and brown wires sneaking out under the plastic ballast doesn't look like it was well designed.

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Offline applor  
#209 Posted : 13 August 2020 07:29:44(UTC)
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Has anyone tried making the missing 9.3 degree curve piece from a 24215 or 24315?
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Offline river6109  
#210 Posted : 13 August 2020 07:46:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: applor Go to Quoted Post
Right side with R9 switches instead of the curved switch, definitely a better look.

Untitled3.jpg


the 24712 in the middle could this not be replaced by a double switch by saving a left hand turnout on the right ?

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#211 Posted : 13 August 2020 16:31:15(UTC)
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There is no Double Slip Switch that matches the geometry of the 711 0r 712 turnouts. Or do I misunderstand?

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Offline PacoM  
#212 Posted : 20 August 2020 22:59:45(UTC)
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I have just joined this forum. Since I have read concerns about the lack of a three-way slim switch and the space needed to solve the problem, someone may be interested in how I have suceeded to pass from one to four tracks in just the double length of a switch.
Of course some "surgery" and cutting of the side plastic is needed. I was afraid of spoiling something when I tried, but it is really easy to achieve using just a Dremel or similar device.
I show a picture of the result, so that I am ready to explain the procedure at request.SlimSwitch.jpg
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Offline applor  
#213 Posted : 20 August 2020 23:19:12(UTC)
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Yes it's well known you can omit the 24071 intermediate track piece to shorten the turnout distances but it involves cutting the roadbed.
Thanks for sharing your picture.
If you look at some earlier posts you can see an example of cutting the 3-way switch to also shorten the turnout distance.
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Offline PacoM  
#214 Posted : 21 August 2020 12:06:19(UTC)
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Thank you for answering, applor. I have read a number of posts here indeed, and learnt a lot from them.

The solutions I have seen (e.g. posts 101, 114, 115, 117, 119) are really useful and original, but they imply either “major surgery” (not just biting an angle of the roadbed externally but cutting through a stretch both of plastic and metal pieces and later gluing and soldering) or using tracks in R2 (as the 24630, 24206/7), or both, giving up with the charm of slim switches and their wide radius.

I find some advantages in my suggestion:
1. Four instead of three outputs.
2. Saving one switch engine, since one lever moves two switches at a time, as can be seen in the image below. This particularity, as well as not using a number of short tracks, saves money too.
3. Distance between track centres is 49,5 mm, practically true scale.

I have just modestly tried to contribute with another feasible idea.
PacoMSurgery.jpg
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Offline PacoM  
#215 Posted : 22 August 2020 19:09:43(UTC)
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Now, I would like to show how these switches (in red in the image) may be used in an end or passing station.
The upper layout has been actually built and is inspired (a bit simplified the right part) in the end station in service in my town until 2018.
The lower one intends to show the suitable track combinations, and track separations that may be achieved with them. New straight tracks may be added where vertical lines have been drawn, so as to reach the intended length.
Regards. PacoM
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#216 Posted : 23 August 2020 14:24:55(UTC)
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Sorry, I'm afraid the figures were not readable Station slim entrevias.jpg
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#217 Posted : 23 August 2020 17:57:14(UTC)
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If you are not bored yet, this is another example of matching tracks. Direct through tracks are coloured in yellowStation Sllim - 2.jpg
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Offline applor  
#218 Posted : 24 August 2020 00:52:05(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PacoM Go to Quoted Post

I have just modestly tried to contribute with another feasible idea.
PacoM



Thankyou for the contribution, I must say I did not realise how involved it was to fit the wide radius turnouts without the 24071 spacer.
I used K track for my layout but my new hidden storage yard is in C track (it was cheaper) and I won't be using the 24071 for that construction to save space so your post should be quite helpful when I get to modifying the track.
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Offline PacoM  
#219 Posted : 25 August 2020 00:24:33(UTC)
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I am sure the experience will be satisfactory. Mine is in debt with the authors of the pictures below that I found in the following sites:
https://www.stummiforum.de/viewtopic.php?t=144822
https://www.modellbahnfo...in-c-gleis-weichen.2554/
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#220 Posted : 09 September 2020 18:03:13(UTC)
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#221 Posted : 09 September 2020 19:58:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Borsig-Werke Go to Quoted Post
Just started my first layout ever and got many good ideas from this topic. Thank You!

layout and 3D attached, I hope to get your comments how to improve it:
Sorry for spoiling, but this is the wrong topic - see post #1 for the purpose of this thread. I suggest you ask a moderator to move it under either under „Me and my layout“ or „Track plans“.
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#222 Posted : 09 September 2020 20:30:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Borsig-Werke Go to Quoted Post
Just started my first layout ever and got many good ideas from this topic. Thank You!

layout and 3D attached, I hope to get your comments how to improve it:
Sorry for spoiling, but this is the wrong topic - see post #1 for the purpose of this thread. I suggest you ask a moderator to move it under either under „Me and my layout“ or „Track plans“.


Ok, sorry will remove it.
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#223 Posted : 12 September 2020 12:28:00(UTC)
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Emanating from a layout discussion with forum member Borsig-Werke:
gleisdreieck2020doppel-v1.png
Compact double track wye connecting a terminal station to a double track main line.
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#224 Posted : 13 September 2020 13:41:33(UTC)
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To put it into a context, the layout schematic would be as follows, which explains the positioning of the 24530/24330 curve pairs:
wye3.png
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#225 Posted : 29 October 2020 09:04:09(UTC)
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Another condensed reverse loop discussion:
https://www.marklin-user...op-track-plan#post621368
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#226 Posted : 17 December 2020 11:59:48(UTC)
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Offline PacoM  
#227 Posted : 27 December 2020 18:07:00(UTC)
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Yet another possibility for a "Y" or "triangle", inspired by Alsterstreek (and partly copied from him)Triangle.jpg
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#228 Posted : 27 December 2020 21:11:14(UTC)
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And, for those who love slim turnouts and curves, another possibility.
Notes:
1. The 064 piece next to the left crossing will need some side cutting.
You can see a gap of 2,5 mmm that may be corrected with the side tracks.
2. In case you place the correct 071 piece, the result is a larger overlap (3,4 mm) instead of the smaller gap.

Triangle-slim.jpg
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#229 Posted : 23 January 2021 00:43:22(UTC)
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Single track wye with slim turnouts:

https://abload.de/image....img=testkreuz01gzy6j.jpg
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#230 Posted : 27 February 2021 13:53:19(UTC)
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Combination of R1 and R3 curved turnouts teaming up with a straight slim turnout crossover couple.
918CC794-06E2-4676-B35F-0D89EB129E4B.jpeg

The outer curve : 24115+24215+24912+24912
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Offline michelvr  
#231 Posted : 27 February 2021 15:10:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
Combination of R1 and R3 curved turnouts teaming up with a straight slim turnout crossover couple.
918CC794-06E2-4676-B35F-0D89EB129E4B.jpeg

The outer curve : 24115+24215+24912+24912


Hello Alsterstreek,

It’s nice that you showed us the different track arrangements that can be make with Märklin’s C track system assortment!

Your track arrangement (above) looked similar to what I have created a couple of years ago. Except I did not use the curved turnouts in my arrangement. What you see in the picture is the entrance into my Hamburg station from the east side. When my trains travel that section of track the slim turnouts guarantee the smooth transitions to either of the two tracks on the mainline.


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Offline Alsterstreek  
#232 Posted : 27 February 2021 16:02:56(UTC)
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Thanks Michel,

Your double crossovers are very nice. I didn’t share the “context” on my layout, since thread is more about the “mechanics” of unusual C track combinations. My yard throat is in a curve - see photo.
BED9BA13-5EAB-4BD9-B17A-A085D5DA03B0.jpeg
Continuing adjacent to the R1 turnout with the curved segment of a slim turnout as easement results in a smooth train run.

P.S.: The 2461x “stub” turnout leads to freight car sidings, while through traffic is using the wider curves.
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#233 Posted : 27 February 2021 21:19:18(UTC)
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And since I am mentioning the freight yard sidings:

How to outwit the C track geometry regarding track distances.
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#234 Posted : 24 April 2021 19:58:48(UTC)
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Defused S-curve double cross-overs:

FF0791F9-FFED-4232-AB9B-7922A06722ED.jpeg

Recipe: 2x 2467x , 2x 2471x, 2x 24912, 4x 24071, 4x 24206 & 2x 24330.
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#235 Posted : 24 April 2021 21:49:45(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
Defused S-curve double cross-overs:
FF0791F9-FFED-4232-AB9B-7922A06722ED.jpeg
Recipe: 2x 2467x , 2x 2471x, 2x 24912, 4x 24071, 4x 24206 & 2x 24330.

This looks redundant...¿?

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#236 Posted : 24 April 2021 22:19:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
Defused S-curve double cross-overs:

FF0791F9-FFED-4232-AB9B-7922A06722ED.jpeg

Recipe: 2x 2467x , 2x 2471x, 2x 24912, 4x 24071, 4x 24206 & 2x 24330.



Two ways to get from the left hand to the right hand track. Zero ways to get from the right hand to the left hand track. What does it do?
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#237 Posted : 24 April 2021 22:30:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hxmiesa Go to Quoted Post

This looks redundant...¿?



That was my reaction too ...

I think the fix is to swap the left hand set of points.
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#238 Posted : 25 April 2021 00:16:01(UTC)
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You think double track mainline, I think shunting puzzle (and geometry tricks). This is the „conceptual“ C track (and not a track plan) topic, after all.

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#239 Posted : 25 April 2021 04:43:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
Defused S-curve double cross-overs:

FF0791F9-FFED-4232-AB9B-7922A06722ED.jpeg

Recipe: 2x 2467x , 2x 2471x, 2x 24912, 4x 24071, 4x 24206 & 2x 24330.



Two ways to get from the left hand to the right hand track. Zero ways to get from the right hand to the left hand track. What does it do?


Wow... tough crowd! (I still thought it was pretty).

How about:

CurvedHosen.png

Edited by user 25 April 2021 08:17:35(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#240 Posted : 25 April 2021 08:57:51(UTC)
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Hurray, finally a Hosenträger with (a) a slim crossing and (b) without using a saw. Well done !
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#241 Posted : 25 April 2021 16:28:15(UTC)
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For people seeking to know the meaning of double track life: half of my post # 234 experiment with a couple of curved turnouts to swing back and forth from one track to the other.
0C562FF5-A7FE-4891-87A4-DC9ADDB1A55D.jpeg
2471x, 3x 2467x, 1x 24912, 1x 24315, 2x 24230, 1x 24207, 2x 24306 & 1x 24107 (in reverse numerical order).
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#242 Posted : 26 April 2021 11:09:34(UTC)
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Hi AK,

The switches (turnouts) between multiple tracks have real-life application on some (most?) of the Class 1 railroads in North America.

One of the classics I know something about (Norfolk and Western Railway) routinely had passing trackage using double track switching to three tracks and after a few (3? 4? 5? 10?) miles switching back to double track.
It allowed faster trains to overtake slower trains without one having to stop.
Due to advance Centralised Traffic Control (even back in steam days), the centre track was used for trains travelling in either direction.
I am unable to find a photo on the internet although I do have some in books.

This track arrangement is quite easy to do in C track with slim turnouts.

Kimball
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#243 Posted : 02 May 2021 13:20:24(UTC)
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Hurray, finally a Hosenträger with (a) a slim crossing and (b) without using a saw. Well done !


Of course what we really need is some 6° super-slim turnouts ;-)

In the absence of that, there are a few ways to make a wonky/bendy Hosenträger with slim crossing - none are exactly what you would want...

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- Herman



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#244 Posted : 02 May 2021 15:13:38(UTC)
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That is why some people are wearing both Hosenträger (= suspenders) and belts.

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#245 Posted : 08 May 2021 15:23:59(UTC)
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Hi all,

I am looking for a solution to close these gaps, otherwise a plan for a super elegant finish to my question.
I would like to have a triple staging yard served from a single line of entry.
Happy to use R1, R2, R3, but don't rule out R4 curves either.

AK, I am hoping that you will read this and provide some innovative ideas !

Staging Yard layout.jpg

Staging Yard pic.jpg

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#246 Posted : 09 May 2021 12:44:23(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Johnvr Go to Quoted Post
Hi all,

I am looking for a solution to close these gaps, otherwise a plan for a super elegant finish to my question.
I would like to have a triple staging yard served from a single line of entry.
Happy to use R1, R2, R3, but don't rule out R4 curves either.



Here's a standard geometry way to do it... given that it's a staging yard I have just used standard tracks with nothing fancy - I've changed the arrangement of the turnouts so that the inner track is closer in length to the other two (highlighted in yellow)...

TripleYard2.jpg

Do you have a size limit?

- Herman
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#247 Posted : 09 May 2021 13:33:41(UTC)
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or here's an alternative more similar to your original, but moving the '206 tracks (in green) like this means that the standard track spacing is (nearly) maintained, and so the R1, R2, R3 concentric curves can be used as normal...

TripleYard3.jpg

or here's a compact option with no small or unusual pieces, and moving the '224s to the wrong end of the curve (in green below)... with the downside that the tracks in the curve approach closer to each other than standard (circled in red):

TripleYard4.jpg
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#248 Posted : 09 May 2021 18:46:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hvc Go to Quoted Post

Here's a standard geometry way to do it... given that it's a staging yard I have just used standard tracks with nothing fancy - I've changed the arrangement of the turnouts so that the inner track is closer in length to the other two (highlighted in yellow)...

Do you have a size limit?

- Herman


Hello Herman

Yes, I like this option.
My dimensions are 2.6m x 1.5m so this will fit.
The single line comes from the line long the garage wall, so this will be fine.

Thanks you.

RegardsBigGrin
John

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#249 Posted : 11 May 2021 14:33:24(UTC)
hvc

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Originally Posted by: Johnvr Go to Quoted Post


Hello Herman

Yes, I like this option.
My dimensions are 2.6m x 1.5m so this will fit.



Oh that's a good size space! You could go wider then with something like this...

TripleYard5.jpg

- Herman

- Herman
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#250 Posted : 17 May 2021 15:19:53(UTC)
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I return once more to the Schlanke Hosenträger theme... this still wobbly but with no S-curves:

HosenCurveSlim.jpg

- Herman
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