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marktrain		#1 Posted : 07 January 2014 23:42:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/12/2013(UTC) Posts: 8 Location: Buffalo, NY		I purchased a Marklin 60943 to convert the motor in my electric Marklin #3000 (E6302) The direction enclosed shows the mechanical replacement, but does not show the rewiring. Can anyone help?
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H0		#2 Posted : 08 January 2014 00:15:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,267 Location: DE-NW		Hi! Which decoder will you use? Wiring instructions come with the decoder. The 60943 motor is not for use with a mechanical reverse unit. The E 63 02 is not #3000, there must be some error.
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marktrain		#3 Posted : 08 January 2014 04:53:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/12/2013(UTC) Posts: 8 Location: Buffalo, NY		I have five electric engines: 1) CE800, E6302 on body (Marklin #3002.1); 2) E6302 on body (Marklin #3001.6); 3,4,5) CE800, E6302 on body (Marklin #3001.1). I will put 60943 in each. What decoder do you suggest for this set? Is there a set that combines the decoder and the 60943? Thank you David G Strachan
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H0		#4 Posted : 08 January 2014 08:17:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,267 Location: DE-NW		Hi, David, Welcome to the forum (BTW). There are three motors (60941, 60943, 60944), depending on the loco. There are decoders without sound (60942, 60962) and decoders with sound. To cover all combinations, they would need dozens of sets. Decoders are also available from other companies (I prefer ESU, but Zimo also have a good reputation). Decoders (may) need a digital controller to configure them (one-time setup). Do you have one? Which? Do you want to run your trains on a digital layout or will you continue running in analogue mode? You ask about motor conversion, but don't write about your plans and intentions. Advice will be better if we know more.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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biedmatt		#5 Posted : 08 January 2014 14:27:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,343 Location: Southwest Ohio		Originally Posted by: marktrain I have five electric engines: 1) CE800, E6302 on body (Marklin #3002.1); 2) E6302 on body (Marklin #3001.6); 3,4,5) CE800, E6302 on body (Marklin #3001.1). I will put 60943 in each. What decoder do you suggest for this set? Is there a set that combines the decoder and the 60943? Thank you David G Strachan Sounds like you are upgrading to the 5* HEP motors. I would use ESU 64610. The lokos have a small amount of room (so no 21 pin with adapter board, my prefered install where room permits) and an MFX compatible since it's a Marklin loko so compatibility with Marklin's proprietary format would be good. With the ESU you can install their 54670 power pack. Since you have only three axles, ground connection to the rails will be iffy, especially across turnouts and crossings. The power pack will power the loko through those without stalling. No other maker, to the best of my knowledge, offers this feature. Welcome!
		Matt Era 3 DB lokos, coaches and freight cars from across Europe But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs ECoS 50200, all FX and MFX decoders replaced with ESU V4s, operated in DCC-RailCom+ with ABC brake control. With the exception of the passenger wagens with Marklin current conducting couplers, all close couplers have been replaced with Roco 40397.
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H0		#6 Posted : 08 January 2014 17:58:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,267 Location: DE-NW		The 21 pin adapter board should fit (almost) all locos that have a mechanical reverse unit. I installed 8 pin adapter in several locos in the past and a few 21 pin adapters recently - and now I prefer 21 pin for small locos.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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biedmatt		#7 Posted : 08 January 2014 20:15:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,343 Location: Southwest Ohio		Originally Posted by: H0 The 21 pin adapter board should fit (almost) all locos that have a mechanical reverse unit. Yes, unless you want (and you will, sooner or later) that 54670 power pack in that little loko. Just trying to prevent a second digital conversion when he figures out the power pack is not just desirable, but required on these lokos with so few wheels.
		Matt Era 3 DB lokos, coaches and freight cars from across Europe But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs ECoS 50200, all FX and MFX decoders replaced with ESU V4s, operated in DCC-RailCom+ with ABC brake control. With the exception of the passenger wagens with Marklin current conducting couplers, all close couplers have been replaced with Roco 40397.
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marktrain		#8 Posted : 09 January 2014 20:19:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/12/2013(UTC) Posts: 8 Location: Buffalo, NY		I have the 60760 motor converter and decoder package. The motor fits just fine in the 3001 (except the bottom screw rubs against the middle wheel - I guess there is a substitute screw recommended). Included in the package are two "resistor" looking pieces. Are they really chokes as referred to in the directions, or for some other purpose. There was one choke on the original motor, not two. The capacitors (referred to as condensers) are not used in the new installation. Also, I have the old light bulbs (grounded to body). The directions suggest replacing with LEDS and plug in sockets. Where can I obtain such items? David Strachan
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RayF		#9 Posted : 09 January 2014 20:52:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,840 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Originally Posted by: biedmatt Originally Posted by: H0 The 21 pin adapter board should fit (almost) all locos that have a mechanical reverse unit. Yes, unless you want (and you will, sooner or later) that 54670 power pack in that little loko. Just trying to prevent a second digital conversion when he figures out the power pack is not just desirable, but required on these lokos with so few wheels. Hi Matt, I have dozens of locos of 0-6-0 and 0-4-0 wheels configuration which have no problems with current collection on clean C track. Most of them even manage quite dirty track too. I dispute your statement that the power pack is required. The exceptions to this are a couple of conversions for which I used Lokpilot V2 decoders. The se two locos are pretty awful on dirty track. One day I'll replace these with more modern decoders. Two of my locos, the E69 steeple cab electric, and the Kittel railcar, which are 4-wheel vehicles, are almost immune to dirty track, and run smoothly and consistently over the whole of my layout, including turnouts (curved, straight and 3-way), crossings, double slips, and uncoupling tracks.
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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RayF		#10 Posted : 09 January 2014 21:03:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,840 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Originally Posted by: marktrain I have the 60760 motor converter and decoder package. The motor fits just fine in the 3001 (except the bottom screw rubs against the middle wheel - I guess there is a substitute screw recommended). Included in the package are two "resistor" looking pieces. Are they really chokes as referred to in the directions, or for some other purpose. There was one choke on the original motor, not two. The capacitors (referred to as condensers) are not used in the new installation. Also, I have the old light bulbs (grounded to body). The directions suggest replacing with LEDS and plug in sockets. Where can I obtain such items? David Strachan Hi David, Did your 3001 have a DCM motor? The 60760 is only intended to be used in DCMs, but it's possible it might fit in a SFCM motor, which is what my 3001 is fitted with. The resistor-like components are indeed chokes, and there should be one on each motor terminal, in series with the wires from the decoder. On conversions like this I usually don't bother to replace the light bulbs. Just feed them with the grey and yellow wires from the decoder and let the chassis serve as ground. The lights will flicker slightly. If you don't want the flicker then you can get mounting kits from Marklin to mount eithr small bi-pin bulbs or LED equivalents. You'll need to troll through the Marklin website to find the part numbers Hope this helps
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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biedmatt		#11 Posted : 09 January 2014 21:17:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,343 Location: Southwest Ohio		Originally Posted by: RayF Originally Posted by: biedmatt Originally Posted by: H0 The 21 pin adapter board should fit (almost) all locos that have a mechanical reverse unit. Yes, unless you want (and you will, sooner or later) that 54670 power pack in that little loko. Just trying to prevent a second digital conversion when he figures out the power pack is not just desirable, but required on these lokos with so few wheels. Hi Matt, I have dozens of locos of 0-6-0 and 0-4-0 wheels configuration which have no problems with current collection on clean C track. Most of them even manage quite dirty track too. I dispute your statement that the power pack is required. My track is M. The rails are half plastic where the two tracks cross so the slider will not short to the rail. At crossings they are also plastic to isolate a rail short to the third rail as the slider crosses. So only three wheels are on a metal track, one of those will have a rubber tire and it's likely since the wheels are not suspended that one of those other two will be supported above the track not making contact. https://az95169.vo.msecn...signment/large/L5138.jpg In the picture you will see half the track (from switch, up to and including the frog) is plastic.
		Matt Era 3 DB lokos, coaches and freight cars from across Europe But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs ECoS 50200, all FX and MFX decoders replaced with ESU V4s, operated in DCC-RailCom+ with ABC brake control. With the exception of the passenger wagens with Marklin current conducting couplers, all close couplers have been replaced with Roco 40397.
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RayF		#12 Posted : 09 January 2014 21:39:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,840 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Originally Posted by: biedmatt Originally Posted by: RayF Originally Posted by: biedmatt Originally Posted by: H0 The 21 pin adapter board should fit (almost) all locos that have a mechanical reverse unit. Yes, unless you want (and you will, sooner or later) that 54670 power pack in that little loko. Just trying to prevent a second digital conversion when he figures out the power pack is not just desirable, but required on these lokos with so few wheels. Hi Matt, I have dozens of locos of 0-6-0 and 0-4-0 wheels configuration which have no problems with current collection on clean C track. Most of them even manage quite dirty track too. I dispute your statement that the power pack is required. My track is M. The rails are half plastic where the two tracks cross so the slider will not short to the rail. At crossings they are also plastic to isolate a rail short to the third rail as the slider crosses. So only three wheels are on a metal track, one of those will have a rubber tire and it's likely since the wheels are not suspended that one of those other two will be supported above the track not making contact. https://az95169.vo.msecn...signment/large/L5138.jpg In the picture you will see half the track (from switch, up to and including the frog) is plastic. Ah, yes, M track. This was one of the reasons I changed my layout to C track. Actually the locos that gave me most problems were those with eight coupled wheel configuration. like the Br81 and the Br86. There was one particular turnout which would always cause these two locos to hiccup. This was a problem that even reared its head in analogue operation, but in analogue you tend to run the locos much faster and they always coasted over the "dodgy" turnouts. When I discovered the joys of slow running in digital I got fed up of having to nudge the locos over some of the turnouts and swapped to C track. I haven't had the same problem since.
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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biedmatt		#13 Posted : 09 January 2014 21:51:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,343 Location: Southwest Ohio		My next track will be K. This layout dates to 1971. There's a lot of M out there. Today is the first we hear he has a Marklin decoder with his HEP motor kit. The 60943 motor kit is what he mentions in post 1. Now we learn he has 60760 with the decoder.
		Matt Era 3 DB lokos, coaches and freight cars from across Europe But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs ECoS 50200, all FX and MFX decoders replaced with ESU V4s, operated in DCC-RailCom+ with ABC brake control. With the exception of the passenger wagens with Marklin current conducting couplers, all close couplers have been replaced with Roco 40397.
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marktrain		#14 Posted : 09 January 2014 22:26:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/12/2013(UTC) Posts: 8 Location: Buffalo, NY		I intend to use the 60760 on this conversion (3001). It seems to have both parts necessary to convert to a digital locomotive. I have a couple of 60943's as well, but they only convert the engine. Any suggestions for replacing the small screw on the bottom of the motor cover? It touches the middle wheel, and prevents it from turning when the screw is tightened down. Thanks for all your help David Strachan
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RayF		#15 Posted : 09 January 2014 22:43:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,840 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		David, You can use the Motor parts from the 60943 set and the decoder from the 60760. This should work OK, and eliminate the problem of having screws of the wrong length.
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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marktrain		#16 Posted : 09 January 2014 23:00:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/12/2013(UTC) Posts: 8 Location: Buffalo, NY		Tanks David
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franciscohg		#17 Posted : 10 January 2014 01:41:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,274 Location: Patagonia		Yes, 60760 motor parts are for no absolutely use other than DCM motors
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Makistrain		#18 Posted : 18 January 2014 18:49:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/12/2013(UTC) Posts: 22 Location: Connecticut		Greetings! I had hoped to convert my locomotive 3093 to a 5-pole motor as an interim step to digital. I purchased a 60944 5-pole motor kit to do so. In attempting to install, there were no leads to connect to the current reversing unit, and an absolute dearth of instructions. It looks like I cannot do this conversion with the current reversing unit. Is this true? If so, what decoder might be compatible so that I could have the option of running the locomotive in analog until such time I commit to the digital controller etc. As always, many thanks for any reply. Makis
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foumaro		#19 Posted : 18 January 2014 19:20:05(UTC) Retweet
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RayF		#20 Posted : 18 January 2014 19:25:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,840 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Originally Posted by: Makistrain Greetings! I had hoped to convert my locomotive 3093 to a 5-pole motor as an interim step to digital. I purchased a 60944 5-pole motor kit to do so. In attempting to install, there were no leads to connect to the current reversing unit, and an absolute dearth of instructions. It looks like I cannot do this conversion with the current reversing unit. Is this true? If so, what decoder might be compatible so that I could have the option of running the locomotive in analog until such time I commit to the digital controller etc. As always, many thanks for any reply. Makis Hi Makis, I'm afraid you are labouring under a misconception. The 5 pole motor kits are designed for use with digital decoders, and won't work with the analogue reversing unit. Replace the reversing unit with a decoder such as the marklin msd 60942. This will still allow you to run the locomotive in analogue mode until you are ready to convert to a digital controller.
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cookee_nz		#21 Posted : 19 January 2014 00:21:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 3,955 Location: Paremata, Wellington		Originally Posted by: H0 Hi! Which decoder will you use? Wiring instructions come with the decoder. The 60943 motor is not for use with a mechanical reverse unit. The E 63 02 is not #3000, there must be some error. Actually, some of the early 3001/3002 were actually numbered with "3000" on the cab, he may have one of them.... The first version was CE800 (1953-1957), then the numbering changed to 3001(Green)/3002(Brown) but the body was numbered "3000" in 1958 & 1959 production and then corrected from then on with only the Road number, but no Marklin code. cookee_nz attached the following image(s):
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intruder		#22 Posted : 19 January 2014 01:09:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		Originally Posted by: marktrain I have five electric engines: 1) CE800, E6302 on body (Marklin #3002.1); 2) E6302 on body (Marklin #3001.6); 3,4,5) CE800, E6302 on body (Marklin #3001.1). I will put 60943 in each. What decoder do you suggest for this set? Is there a set that combines the decoder and the 60943? Thank you David G Strachan Hello David. In your case I would go for the Märklin 600962 mLD. t's a multi protocol decoder (mfx, MM1, MM2 and DCC) with wires and an 8-pole NEM connector, four function outputs. For more details, have a loo at my web site sfcm rebuild The motor set 60943 and the decoder must be bought separately. Märklin used to sell complete sets, e.g. 60904 or 60924. but they are no longer in the program.
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3rail4life		#23 Posted : 19 January 2014 05:00:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/12/2011(UTC) Posts: 426 Location: Northern California		Hi David, Svein's website is awesome, you should definitely check it out, lots of good stuff there for digital conversions Saebonet For the screw with clearance problems with the wheel you might try these: E756080 Counter Sink Screw M2x10 E756080 The other option is to shorten the kit's screw, grind down the head a bit and remove some material from the motor cover to get more clearance for the wheel and the gear on the other side. I like the idea of counter sunk screw the best, hope you get it sorted out. Gordon
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Makistrain		#24 Posted : 19 January 2014 16:30:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/12/2013(UTC) Posts: 22 Location: Connecticut		Originally Posted by: RayF Originally Posted by: Makistrain Greetings! I had hoped to convert my locomotive 3093 to a 5-pole motor as an interim step to digital. I purchased a 60944 5-pole motor kit to do so. In attempting to install, there were no leads to connect to the current reversing unit, and an absolute dearth of instructions. It looks like I cannot do this conversion with the current reversing unit. Is this true? If so, what decoder might be compatible so that I could have the option of running the locomotive in analog until such time I commit to the digital controller etc. As always, many thanks for any reply. Makis Hi Makis, I'm afraid you are labouring under a misconception. The 5 pole motor kits are designed for use with digital decoders, and won't work with the analogue reversing unit. Replace the reversing unit with a decoder such as the marklin msd 60942. This will still allow you to run the locomotive in analogue mode until you are ready to convert to a digital controller. Ray F Thanks for straightening me out. You answered my question perfectly. Will get the decoder and give a shot at installing. Again, many thanks. M
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marktrain		#25 Posted : 21 January 2014 17:36:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/12/2013(UTC) Posts: 8 Location: Buffalo, NY		New problem with lower screw on the 3001! I ground down the head for clearance, then inserted to tighten. Got the awful feeling when the screw just kept on turning - something has stripped! Now I will have to try a thicker screw, first increasing the size of the hole in the motor cover. Will use a shorter screw, if I can find one. ANY suggestions? DAVID
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kbvrod		#26 Posted : 21 January 2014 17:46:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,597 Location: Beverly, MA		Originally Posted by: marktrain New problem with lower screw on the 3001! I ground down the head for clearance, then inserted to tighten. Got the awful feeling when the screw just kept on turning - something has stripped! Now I will have to try a thicker screw, first increasing the size of the hole in the motor cover. Will use a shorter screw, if I can find one. ANY suggestions? DAVID Self-tapping screw. D
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marktrain		#27 Posted : 29 January 2014 23:11:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/12/2013(UTC) Posts: 8 Location: Buffalo, NY		motor installed with original screw on top, and modified one on the bottom. NEW problem! The decoder is installed: (red and brown for power; blue and green to plate; gray and yellow to lights) factory code is 78; Motorola 14 or 28. The lights work correctly; the engine does NOT move! What went wrong?
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RayF		#28 Posted : 29 January 2014 23:32:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,840 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Did you remember to put the brushes in? It might seem like a silly question, but it's one of the most common mistakes, and one that I have done more than once!
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biedmatt		#29 Posted : 29 January 2014 23:51:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,343 Location: Southwest Ohio		Originally Posted by: RayF Did you remember to put the brushes in? It might seem like a silly question, but it's one of the most common mistakes, and one that I have done more than once! Oh yeah, me too. I sometimes miss the slider too as I replace the wire down to the collector behind the slider. The slider/pantograph switch also trips me up at times. Much to easy to bump it when you handle the loko.
		Matt Era 3 DB lokos, coaches and freight cars from across Europe But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs ECoS 50200, all FX and MFX decoders replaced with ESU V4s, operated in DCC-RailCom+ with ABC brake control. With the exception of the passenger wagens with Marklin current conducting couplers, all close couplers have been replaced with Roco 40397.
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river6109		#30 Posted : 30 January 2014 00:02:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,728 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		David, when converting a loco always make sure you can turn the wheels freely before you put power to it. as Ray said have you added the brushes and the slider and make sure the power lever is in the right position, track/overhead. to change the lights to Led's it's not an easy job and needs a bit of thinking. John
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