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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by grr_1954<br />Hello, Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Renevoorburg says:
It is ridicilous to ignore the standard for decoders, DCC. Who say what's the standard? DCC is a digital standard of the National Model Railroad Association (NMRA) and the Normen Europäischer Modellbahnen (NEM), probably the closest you can get to a worldwide standards organisation(s) in Model Railroading. That's who! http://www.morop.org/en/idf/index.htmlSo, Märklin with Märklin Motorola / mfx are actually not conforming to the accepted worldwide standard. I guess Märklin are large enough to do that, they have been setting (their own) standards for 150 years!
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Hello, Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:DCC is a digital standard of the National Model Railroad Association (NMRA) and the Normen Europäischer Modellbahnen (NEM), probably the closest you can get to a worldwide standards organisation(s) in Model Railroading. Who founded NEM? What are the original contribution of Märklin/Märklin users to NEM? Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:So, Märklin with Märklin Motorola / mfx are actually not conforming to the accepted worldwide standard. I guess Märklin are large enough to do that, they have been setting (their own) standards for 150 years! In this, I fully agree with you  Regards, Gerardo Rivero, San fernando, Cádiz, Spain.
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Well I just received a email from one of my computer suppliers about a low cost CPU and I am wondering what this type of processor could do for future CS's http://www.ncix.com/products/in...023&manufacture=ASUSThe claim is on another post that the type of system would boot Linux in about 15 Sec. And I still remember paying $2000 for an XT 8MHz computer for my College days. Matthew
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I have been away for a while so have missed out on this topic (and of course others as well)but I had been warned that there was some "Tangoing" going on. So I re-read the whole topic. Out of respect for Juhan's wishes I will refrain from reminding you just who made the first sarcastic comment in the tango... But IMHO it was a dumb and arrogant comment to make. To me the CST2 looks 'right'. DCC is not an issue with me. If it is added, then fine - as long as it does not slow the system down. If it does, I hope that M* makes DCC as an add-on - if in fact that can be done. Please excuse my ignorance on matters micro-Farads et al. And Juhan - shame on you. Off topic discussions indeed! Tut tut I've told you what I think about such primitive, non-topic related postings like your ones so any further comment would be a waste [}:)] So BANGTake that !  |
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The Morops sound like something out of Dr Who.
I started digital with Lenz and the guy who sold me the set appeared to think they were the first to really get digital on the map. Have to say it worked well enough but I prefer the M three rail concept and their locos which is why I changed.
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David..I believe Walter Lenz developed the initial Marklin digital system (much as ESU developed mfx) then got dumped by Marklin. |
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Ron Interesting thanks for info. Lenz is a big seller here in the UK.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by rschaffr
<br />David..I believe Walter Lenz developed the initial Marklin digital system (much as ESU developed mfx) then got dumped by Marklin.
Hello Ron, this is partially incorrect. He developed the Digital System for Scale 1. This was DCC. Märklin Digital for HO scale was MM. Afterwards Märklin decided to switch to MM format even for scale 1 and dropped DCC. At this time Märklin made an exchange offer for the people who owned the old digital system to get the new one. kind regards Stephan
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Hemmerich<br />Yes! Have you ever heard about "de facto" standards? Yep, sure have, not that I have a problem with Märklin's 'de facto' standards. They have worked well for me for the last 37 years!
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Standards? What standards?
Well, for any "standard" the most important thing is the "critical mass" threshold ... that is the amount of people who'd accept and implement that standard. Whoever reaches that stage first sets the standards (remember the Beta and VHS systems story).
From my point of view, DCC is in very early stages of it's life and is already being manipulated by larger manufacturers.
Märklin have always been (and probably will be) the manufacturer who sets the standards as they have the critical mass already at hand (as Märklin users).
Now, if it is not Märklin say to introduce a loco recognition system first, who will it be? Until now all groundbreaking moves in MRR came from Märklin. And I think the next move will come from them too.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by tekin65
<br />Now, if it is not Märklin say to introduce a loco recognition system first, who will it be?
Cem, Zimo have already developed a train recognition / location detection system using DCC decoders, etc. It looks to be quite advanced (though not cheap), and their Command Station also supports Marklin Motorola. Plus they have decoders specially developed for the Marklin C-Sine and SDS motors, complete with 21 pin interface. http://www.zimo.at/web2007/index2E.htm
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Yes! Have you ever heard about "de facto" standards? MM might be called a defacto standard. That is true. MFX unfortunately not.. when even the Official Märklin stores in both Amsterdam and Utrecht can't sell me an MFX decoder. [:(] DCC decoders can be bought in any store that does 'something' with digital trains. This made me start installing DCC decoders: lack of support by Märklin. René - who doesn't care that much about this issue but thinks Märklin is about to mis an opportunity - |
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Hello, Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:DCC decoders can be bought in any store that does 'something' with digital trains. This made me start installing DCC decoders: lack of support by Märklin. When I start with this hobby, I have 2 options: 2C, with a lot of shops in a radius of 100 Kms, or Märklin 3C with NONE shop in the same radius. I choose Märklin, and I never thought that my decision was wrong. I bought my first set in Germany, and usually I bought all material in Barcelona, 1200 kms. from here. And I never feel any lack of support for Märklin. Best regards, Gerardo Rivero, San Fernando, Cádiz, Spain.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz
<br />Cem, Zimo have already developed a train recognition / location detection system using DCC decoders, etc. Hi, Although couldn't find the product page, I'm sure it's done. It was time that somebody came up with a solution for this. Now, the most important question remains: will it become a standard? Will it be compatible with our existing decoders and controllers? Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:MM might be called a defacto standard. That is true. MFX unfortunately not Well, MFX two way communication uses RDS protocol which is an old and widely used standard. I don't see a reason for DCC manufacturers using the same protocol for two way comm; this would narrow the gap between MM and DCC to a degree which is a good thing. Cem. |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by tekin65
<br />Although couldn't find the product page....
Cem, probably the best place to start is the Zimo 2007 catalog:- http://www.zimo.at/web20...Sypro2007%20englisch.pdfYou can read about it on page 11 of the catalog. I'm not so sure that it works with the MM decoders though.
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Without wanting to step on too many toes, I just think it makes life a lot simpler if 2 railers stick with DCC and 3 railers stick with MM and its compatible successors.
Of course, you can drive a left hand drive car in UK, or play a region 2 DVD in the US if you really want to, but why fight what makes most sense?
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Hi Ray,
You are absolutely right. I think one day there will exist a single range of hardware and many operation modes: just like in computers today. Then, all you have to do will be to upload the system you wish to your decoders and controller. But those days are not very near.
But until then I really would like to have some sort of "public" interface that I can play with (I dunno maybe write programs for, etc.). Surely, ECoS is an option here even if it lacks MFX.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Hemmerich<br />Lenz surely didn't develop Märklin's digital system!!! Yep, they did develop the FLM system I think. Cem. |
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An suggesting... Keep ahead after information about the new CST2 via trainmassmedia,to see after if there is anything news about CST2. Good luck...! Goofy |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by RayPayas
<br />Without wanting to step on too many toes, I just think it makes life a lot simpler if 2 railers stick with DCC and 3 railers stick with MM and its compatible successors.
Of course, you can drive a left hand drive car in UK, or play a region 2 DVD in the US if you really want to, but why fight what makes most sense?
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Oh yes ! I agree so much with you ! I'm totally sharing your point of view.
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Ahummm... There is people who called byself as DCCMarklinrailer...! What about this:AC/DC...? Rockafella who has trainmodels as hobby,knows the truth that AC/DC can coperation in good team. Goofy  |
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Yes, Goofy, you have a point( I think), but I still think that it makes life easier to stick to one system.
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It´s yours own willpower.
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Hello, here it is  Presentation 22.09. The name switched back to Märklin digital and not "systems" anymore rgds Stephan Edited by moderator 11 January 2011 20:05:02(UTC)
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So ended all the speculation...
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It looks like DARTH VADER has come to Marklin! Might/May the force be with you... |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Macfire
<br />So ended all the speculation...
The King is dead, long live the King...
Looks like it is inspired by something from the Formula one world. Should please many on this forum.  Thanks for the info Stephan! /Torbjörn Edit; yes, maybe more Star Wars than Formula one when I come to think about it... And isn't the steamer a bit misplaced?
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Hemmerich<br />Way too many "wild" speculations here (as usual). I guess the "wild" child has just been tamed |
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Hello, Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: here it is Where you found this news? There is a bigger or better image? Best regards, Gerardo Rivero, San Fernando, Cádiz.
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Hello Gerardo,
this is the official invitation card for re-sellers to participate to the presentation of the central station, appeared on stummis forum. There you can find a pdf of this card as attachment of the thread.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by supermoee
<br />Presentation 22.09.
By that, I take it the presentation has been set for that date. Then we will find out what it does, how much it will be and when it can be bought!
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During presentatio the CS2 can be tested at your own, so it is written in the invitation.
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And guess what? Why would Marklin keep manufacturing the old CS when they are about to announce the new one? Methinks Steventrain was right (I thought that all the time) - no more production of the current CS.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by RayPayas<br />So much for the thoery that it was a wooden mock-up! Well, we still don't know for sure Ray. I guess that some parts might be made out of wood. I think I know now why Purellum didn't post for a while. He's been busy! /Torbjörn
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Well done Stephan. A man who can give us the info we need.
Looks interesting.
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I wonder what Lutz is now reacting about this message...? It´s very interested,that Marklin has toke off the name "system" and now replacing "digital" back... Now it will been also interesting to see Trix CST2 in presentation. Is there no message from Stummi about Trix CST2...? Goofy |
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Note here too,that driving knops are lighting up in the darkness too...!
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Hello, Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Hello Gerardo,
this is the official invitation card for re-sellers to participate to the presentation of the central station, appeared on stummis forum. There you can find a pdf of this card as attachment of the thread.
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Stephan Thanks for the information. Best regards, Gerardo Rivero, San Fernando, Cádiz, Spain.
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I will beat,that Marklins new CST2 will been arrived out under christmas month...! Anyone chargements against me...? Goofy |
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I might get a mega set that will include it, if if if if... |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by john black<br /> Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
<br />Way too many "wild" speculations here (as usual). Charles is the man who's into Marklin news. Congratulations, Sir Great news service. I can only repeat - congratulations, Charles |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz
<br />And guess what? Why would Marklin keep manufacturing the old CS when they are about to announce the new one? Methinks Steventrain was right (I thought that all the time) - no more production of the current CS.
Volvo kept the 245 Estate in production for years after the 745 was introduced. And now I'm happier with my first-owner 245 from 1992 than if I had bought a 745 then. If there's a market for it, why not make the product? And Nikon kept the FM2/FM3A in production for years and years (maybe even now?). Some 20 years after a 'improved' new version appeared. So I'm still awaiting info about which new features the CS II has. Will it be wireless? From what I've read until now it does nothing the updated CS I does. Regards, Henk. |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by supermoee<br />Hello, here it is Presentation 22.09. The name switched back to Märklin digital and not "systems" anymore rgds Stephan I have notice one here,that it´s has been changed some little on the CST2 from than reddot design. In the reddot design,it´s stands Marklin system on the CST2. Does it means,that Mfx will been dissapair from the catalog...? No more comperation with ESU anymore time about Mfx...? Goofy  Edited by moderator 11 January 2011 20:04:16(UTC)
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Goofy, I think you may be right about seeing the CST2 before Christmas (just a gut feeling).
As for mfx, I think Marklin will still support it, as they have always had backward compatibility with all their protocols in their command stations. I don't think Marklin dropping the Systems name and going back to 'Marklin Digital' will mean they will drop mfx.
Henk, I think you will find Volvo is the exception rather than the rule. Why would Marklin keep the old CS in production when they are releasing a new product. There may be some overlap, where production of the new starts up, and production of the old finishes up. Marklin never kept producing the 6021 after the CS was introduced, why would they do it now?
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Between CST2 have DCC or not have DCC it was interesting that other (than Marklin) locomotive manufacturers produced 3-rail loks with mfx and MM, or mfx and DCC instead of MM and DCC. That way we could use mfx with them and hallf of the need was solved. The half not solved was our interest in playing DCC 2-rail locomotives, like for example MiniTrix locs.
About the look of the new CST2 it is very spacial indeed. It seems that it does not need to be layed in a table. but can be
floating in the air :))). Does it speak?
I guess yes, but only with the trains!!!! :((
Let´s wait to see the features, the reliability and... the price!
P.S.: it was very exciting that the knob light colour could be changed, or fixed in blue: the colour of my football team.
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Some information on the CST2 from http://www.stayathome.ch/Central_Station.htm - Google Translation Here are some high-lights of the new Central Station 2 (State of Information: 8.8.2008) - The delivery later this autumn. - The development was made by Marklin, without ESU participation. - The item number is 60213 - The device has improved knobs. - The Central Station 2 has an integrated image-setting track console. The Central Station 2 is a digital control device for the Marklin model trains of the new generation. Its design communicates a high degree of functionality and clear brand identity, for example, in traditional red and grey and in a user-friendly design reflect. The device has a clear color touch screen and numerous operating, which can simultaneously several trains on the tracks conduct and functions such as sound, lighting, the bodies of switches and signals controlled or a steam locomotive can be produced. These features are with 2 times 8 softkeys right and left of the screen activated. The silhouette flügelartige founded with the operation of the unit: All controls are symmetrically arranged in the middle and steer it to focus on buttons, knobs and the monitor. Supports additional focus of this colouration by the red knobs on an anthracite optical element to the monitor.
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