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kimballthurlow		#251 Posted : 23 August 2008 07:56:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,762 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Hi Miguel, You make a lot of sense. Your reaction to the little information about the CS2, shows a realistic attitude to new products. And this would be in line with 99.9% of Märklin customers. Your observations on how other manufacturers fit with Märklin's system technology is good too. As for my own look into the future, could Märklin eventually produce a CS that allows me to call up a locomotive by speaking the number, using voice recognition? And what about calling up a switch "Switch 14 main", or "Switch 15 siding". Or a route number, or a signal etc. eg. "Signal A41 red", or "Signal E23 green". I reckon we could introduce all sorts of fun and confusion with those functions. regards Kimball
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DasBert33		#252 Posted : 23 August 2008 11:19:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,272		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by RayPayas <br />Without wanting to step on too many toes, I just think it makes life a lot simpler if 2 railers stick with DCC and 3 railers stick with MM and its compatible successors. Of course, you can drive a left hand drive car in UK, or play a region 2 DVD in the US if you really want to, but why fight what makes most sense? Ray Hi Ray, I think just the opposite. For me it makes no sense at all (from a customer perpective) to have to use/buy all equipment from one manufacturer and not be compatible with a defacto standard. The DVD region thing is something filmstudios demanded to be able to have different price politics in different continents, which generally means artificially high prices for us europeans (and more profit for the 'evil' filmstudios). Not that I'm a long-haired idealist, but I think we have to fight these things as much as possible. Don't you think car manufacturers would be able to make a little bit cheaper cars if they didn't have to invest additional design time/money to make both left and right hand drive versions of cars. Wouldn't it make sense to try to have one standard in driving direction around the world? Going back to trains, having mfx only for 3R might seem simpler, but with only one manufacturer (ESU) costs a lot more than DCC in the end. (35 euro vs 30 euro price difference between a LP mfx vs LP V3, which are virtually the same). This was similar in the past when Marklin was the only supplier of MM equipment. That MM equipment only started to improve in quality/features, and drop in price, after competitors entered the MM market. Bottom line for me: MFX is good for the seller (marklin) and not so much for the consumer (us) for which cheaper, equal alternatives exists. It does not make more sense to use it, sense has nothing to do with it, just profit. Bert PS: you didnt step on my toes, but I just had to repond to your view, I hope I didnt step on yours
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steventrain		#253 Posted : 23 August 2008 11:27:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,686 Location: United Kingdom		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by grr_1954 <br />Hello, Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: here it is Where you found this news? There is a bigger or better image? Best regards, Gerardo Rivero, San Fernando, Cádiz. It came from stummi forum.
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TimR		#254 Posted : 23 August 2008 12:02:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,752 Location: Jakarta		So ended most (if not all) speculations... The original 60212 is now almost "certainly" be out of production. I think it's just a matter of time before the Marklin website is updated to indicate "Red traffic light" Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Why would Marklin keep the old CS in production when they are releasing a new product. There may be some overlap, where production of the new starts up, and production of the old finishes up. Marklin never kept producing the 6021 after the CS was introduced, why would they do it now? I agree.. To continue production of the old CS along with the new CS is not only costly, but they'll have problem with product positioning. Obviously they would have to sell the old CS at a lot cheaper price than they do now, and this in turn become a competing product to the new CS. And lastly, it will just confuse the customers to offer two different CS to choose as the main layout controller. So why would they do it?? Now to wait for the official announcements from Marklin of what advantages it will have over the older model..
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Purellum		#255 Posted : 23 August 2008 12:12:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,528 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Now to wait for the official announcements from Marklin of what advantages it will have over the older model.. Availability Per.
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RayF		#256 Posted : 23 August 2008 12:56:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Bert, I respect your opinion, I just don't agree with it. If you see such advantage in the DCC systems, why don't you model 2 rail? You have a whole world full of manufacturers to chose from. If what you want is to buy Marklin models in particular, then you could still get the trix versions. Marklin's appeal through the years has been due, in part, to the fact that they are different from other manufacturers. I think it makes sense to stay with their system if you model Marklin. ...but I won't convince you, as you won't convince me! Best agree to differ! Ray PS, Try to convince all 52 countries in the world that drive on the left to change over! I don't think so!
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Bigdaddynz		#257 Posted : 23 August 2008 13:07:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,764 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Purellum <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Now to wait for the official announcements from Marklin of what advantages it will have over the older model.. Availability Per. Per I guess we will find out post 22 September..... Better start saving your pennies now. Perhaps you could design a special wooden marklin-users.net stylus to go with the new CST2?? BTW, lets hope they get the ethernet port around the right way this time.
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nevw		#258 Posted : 23 August 2008 14:15:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz no more production of the current CS. When? As I said before - still too many wild speculations! It stands to marketing and profit reason that as Marklin are going to announce the release of the new CS in September. so therefor If a new Improved model is going to be released , marketed and sold, customers will want the new improved model not the tired old model with faults. so therefore as of the release date none of the old models will be produced. If they are they will have to sold at a big discount. QED NN the troll in the pink pinny
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DasBert33		#259 Posted : 23 August 2008 14:26:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,272		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by RayPayas Why don't you model 2 rail? You have a whole world full of manufacturers to chose from. There are other reasons why I favor marklin too, which have nothing to do with its electronics: - simplicity of rail system - sturdiness and use of metal - nostalgia - being able to run on small layouts - being able to run models that are 50y old without problems - always able to convert to digital operation - i already have so many items Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by RayPayas ...but I won't convince you, as you won't convince me! Best agree to differ! Indeed, I agree with that! Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by RayPayas PS, Try to convince all 52 countries in the world that drive on the left to change over! I don't think so! Wow I didnt know there were so many countries that drive on the WRONG side of the road.
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Bigdaddynz		#260 Posted : 23 August 2008 14:29:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,764 Location: New Zealand		Speculation, yes, wild, I don't think so! See what happens after 22 September. I'm sure Marklin will have some spare CS for warranty fixes / exchange, but I don't see them producing many more CS for sale, once the CST2 is announced in September (or whenever it is released to the public for sale).
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Bigdaddynz		#261 Posted : 23 August 2008 14:32:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,764 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by DasBert33 <br />Wow I didnt know there were so many countries that drive on the WRONG side of the road. Now look here......!! Just because the Europeans are upside down!!
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David Dewar		#262 Posted : 23 August 2008 14:43:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,452 Location: Scotland		Now we know its the 60213. Although we are told that the 60212 will soon be available again and orders should be placed now as stocks will soon sell or of course you could wait for the 60213. The only reason I can see for producing another lot of 60212 is to replace the high number of faulty ones and hope that the customer then buys the newer one. If Marklin can get the new CS2 into starter sets in good time for Christmas then it can only be good for sales and add some much needed profit (reduce losses) David
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TimR		#263 Posted : 23 August 2008 15:32:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,752 Location: Jakarta		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz <br />Speculation, yes, wild, I don't think so! I prefer the term: "conclusion based on known facts and common sense". Of course they remains speculation until Marklin confirms so.
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Bigdaddynz		#264 Posted : 23 August 2008 15:34:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,764 Location: New Zealand		Nice choice of words, Tim!
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john black		#265 Posted : 23 August 2008 17:30:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz no more production of the current CS. still too many wild speculations! therefore as of the release date none of the old models will be produced. Forget it, friends. He will never get it. But I couldn't care less about this Since thank Charles' helpful information this great forum is in the know ... [^]
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jeehring		#266 Posted : 23 August 2008 17:36:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		One thing I am impatient for , is to know if CST2 will include something based on Real Time OS or not , whatever Linux or Windows...
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john black		#267 Posted : 23 August 2008 17:39:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		What's a real time operating system, please ?
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Goofy		#268 Posted : 23 August 2008 17:50:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,273		Today i did shopping Marklins K-tracks and a bottle of rust-colour. I did also bought trackballast from Woodland Scenics itemnr:B72 "fine brown" In that hobbystore,there was an old CS as testingdriving. Guess what...? It´s really an ugly CS,so i see forward the new CST2 arrived out...! Marklin will or else been so stupid traincompany,if they keep on by producing old CS...! Goofy
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mvd71		#269 Posted : 24 August 2008 02:25:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,919 Location: Auckland,		One thing I would love to see, is the speed control returned to the old style, eg 6021 That way I wouldn't get frustrated with making an adjustment only to find the controller has CS/MS has ignored it because I moved the dial to fast!
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Webmaster		#270 Posted : 24 August 2008 03:06:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black <br />What's a real time operating system, please ? A real time operating system caters for hardware stability and fast response time for hardware input events to ensure that machinery works as designed and that "critical" events have priority in the execution of software. For "controllers" it is a must, since a delay in responding to a certain hardware event could have "fatal" consequences. In short, a real-time operating system ensures that hardware signals have priority over eg graphical presentation on a display. In the model railroad world it would translate to the controller having to react "immediately" to eg s88 events, stop button, throttle control and such... With the CS, I have had a bad experience of the CS not responding to throttle control while having a configuration dialog "yes-no-cancel box" on-screen... Not good at all for operational stability... After all, the CS is meant to control hardware and should react accordingly, which the old 6021 and IB do. The IB even has 2 separate dedicated CPU boards for control and display. If the software in your (modern) car ECU hadn't been a real-time OS, how would you feel if the brakes did not bite when you press the pedal, but rather waited for a second or so? Or the ESP did not do what it was supposed to do until after that icy corner since the onboard computer was busy updating the "commercial messages" on your radio display? The same applies to any control where "realtime" interaction with hardware is needed, and it really is so also with model railroad control where complex operation scenarios with a lot of "input signals" occur... Even if it is at a much slower rate than eg the ignition adaptation tuning in your car... Hope this helps a little...
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nevw		#271 Posted : 24 August 2008 03:55:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		AS reported in another post I have just received an email from Maerklin asking me to be a Beta tester of the CS2. Will be dispatched as soon as they receive my broken CS. [}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][:p] Whats that I see. Its the Pigs flying home early.[}:)][}:)][}:)] NN
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Bigdaddynz		#272 Posted : 24 August 2008 09:02:29(UTC) Retweet
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Goofy		#273 Posted : 24 August 2008 12:35:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,273		Marklin did one day created an pig locomotiv,but with no sound...! It should sounds like this:Oink oink oink... Goofy
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steventrain		#274 Posted : 24 August 2008 12:54:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,686 Location: United Kingdom		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by supermoee <br />Hello, The name switched back to Märklin digital and not "systems" anymore rgds Stephan There is still 'Systems' on the CS2.
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vilithejou		#275 Posted : 24 August 2008 13:05:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 849 Location: Vic, Barcelona		Hi Steve "Systems" appears in the photo prize Design ... But in the official brochure of Märklin, which is after, they write "Marklin digital" like start of marklin digital with 6020.
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kimballthurlow		#276 Posted : 24 August 2008 14:13:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,762 Location: Brisbane, Australia		From Juhan, Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:...In short, a real-time operating system ensures that hardware signals have priority over eg graphical presentation on a display...... Your explanation makes very interesting reading, facts of which I was not aware. Thanks. regards Kimball
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nevw		#277 Posted : 25 August 2008 01:25:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		........
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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nevw		#278 Posted : 25 August 2008 07:00:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw Will be dispatched as soon as they receive my broken CS. Sounds reasonable - in other words, the shipment will be recorded as "not received". Lutz, It is a bit hard to record that a shipment is not received if it is not received. However just in case you worked as the Mail boy in the shipping/ Mail received department and mislaid the parcel I have sent it with tracking and signature/ proof of receipt. should not get lost then. pass the ointment. [:p] NN
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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supermoee		#279 Posted : 25 August 2008 12:37:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/05/2007(UTC) Posts: 534		Hello Steve, on the PDF of the flyer it is written Märklin digital(I do not mean on the CS2). It is neither "Systems" nor the old "digital" with the italic letters I think they want to take distance from the old digital system. Strange, the shop that last week had so many CS1 on stock, took these out from his homepage and is already taking orders for the CS2: www.spielwaren-stucki.ch (scroll to the middle of the page) rgds Stephan
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steventrain		#280 Posted : 25 August 2008 12:42:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,686 Location: United Kingdom		Thanks for the link, Supermose. I see the CS2 and it is catalogue number 60213.
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Bigdaddynz		#281 Posted : 25 August 2008 12:45:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,764 Location: New Zealand		Thanks Stephan. I took the liberty of using Google to translate the description of the CS2 on the www.spielwaren-stucki.ch site: "Märklin: Central Station 2 NEW Announcement The absolutely unique mfx headquarters with color display The striking features of the new Central Station 2 summarized (retail): The Central Station 2 has an excellent, not spiegelndes and high-quality color display, much improved over knob and a Sotft-touch function, with which the starting and stopping the trains with discontinued delay even easier and more effective possible. It is also technically compared to the previous Central Station much more developed and provides additional control. It is expected that this first Central Station 2 at the Swiss in Berne Toy (01 - 05 October 2008) to the public. They should be available this fall. Reserve your Central Station in time, probably because the demand is greater than the amount the first delivery will be. To Price are currently no data available yet."
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David Dewar		#282 Posted : 25 August 2008 13:44:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,452 Location: Scotland		Well done Stephan good information. Nev Marklin has a special book where they note down details of everything they have not received. (this of course is done before the customer tells them what was sent) The book is blank but who knows one day a not received item will be detailed. Keep the info coming Stephan. david
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nevw		#283 Posted : 25 August 2008 14:03:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Just did a search on 60213 Here is the answer: Unfortunately, no product could be found for your search inquiry. Please change your entry. Not in the data base yet. nn
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Bigdaddynz		#284 Posted : 25 August 2008 14:52:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,764 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw <br />Just did a search on 60213 Here is the answer: Unfortunately, no product could be found for your search inquiry. Please change your entry. Not in the data base yet. nn Yep, tried that a couple of days ago with the same result... Probably we won't see it in the database until after 22 September, but then that's speculation, and we know what Herr Hemmerich thinks about speculation, especially the wild ones!!
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chrisisrang		#285 Posted : 25 August 2008 15:48:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 173 Location: Hong Kong		Hi! Everyonne, I just got an eDM from Spielwaren Stucki about the new CS2 so clearly it is a real product that is coming out soon. Die bestechenden Eigenschaften der neuen Central Station 2 kurz zusammengefasst (unverbindliche Angaben): Die Central Station 2 verfügt über ein hervorragendes, nicht spiegelndes und qualitativ hochwertiges Farbdisplay, über wesentlich verbesserte Drehregler und über eine Sotft-Touch-Funktion, mit welcher das Anfahren und Anhalten der Züge mit eingestellter Verzögerung noch einfacher und wirkungsvoller möglich wird. Sie ist technisch gegenüber der bisherigen Central Station wesentlich weiter entwickelt und bietet zusätzliche Steuerungsmöglichkeiten. Voraussichtlich wird diese Central Station 2 erstmals an der Swiss Toy in Bern (01.- 05. Oktober 2008) der Öffentlichkeit vorgestellt. Sie sollte noch in diesem Herbst lieferbar sein. Reservieren Sie sich Ihre Central Station rechtzeitig, da die Nachfrage vermutlich grösser als die Menge der Erstauslieferung sein wird. Zum Preis sind im Moment noch keine Angaben erhältlich. Mit freundlichen Grüssen Martin Stucki The English translation of the eDM. There is nothing new compared to what has already been stated by several members but once again re-affirms that it is coming soon...... The striking features of the new Central Station 2 summarized (retail): The Central Station 2 has an excellent, not spiegelndes and high-quality color display, much improved over knob and a Sotft-touch function, with which the starting and stopping of trains delayed or discontinued with easy and effective possible. It is also technically compared to the previous Central Station much more developed and provides additional control. It is expected that this first Central Station 2 at the Swiss in Berne Toy (01 - 05 October 2008) to the public. They should be available this fall. Reserve your Central Station in time, probably because the demand is greater than the amount the first delivery will be. To Prize are currently no data available yet. Yours sincerely, Martin Stucki Cheers, Chris
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jeehring		#286 Posted : 25 August 2008 19:13:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		..."It is also technically compared to the previous Central Station much more developed and provides additional control." My "google style" Deutsch/French translation says something like : improvements mainly are "improvements of technical nature"..etc and provides additional controls.... Which sounds good (imho)if translation is correct
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Goofy		#287 Posted : 25 August 2008 19:21:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,273		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw <br />Just did a search on 60213 Here is the answer: Unfortunately, no product could be found for your search inquiry. Please change your entry. Not in the data base yet. nn Yep, tried that a couple of days ago with the same result... Probably we won't see it in the database until after 22 September, but then that's speculation, and we know what Herr Hemmerich thinks about speculation, especially the wild ones!! Lets starts the wild speculation anyway...! Hmmm let me see,Marklin are too late livery outside of CST2...! Goofy [}:)]
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john black		#288 Posted : 25 August 2008 21:57:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Webmaster <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black <br />What's a real time operating system, please ? In the MRR world it would translate to the controller having to react "immediately" to throttle control and such... With the CS, I have had a bad experience of not responding to throttle control while having a configuration dialog "yes-no-cancel box" on-screen ... *) Not good at all for operational stability ... should react accordingly, which the old 6021 and IB do. Or the ESP did not do what it was supposed to do until after that icy corner since the onboard computer was busy updating the "commercial messages" on your radio ... Excellent explanation - thanks [^] ... *) So this thing is a Squak Box (TM) -&gt; see Ugly Box Just glad being the distrustful & cautious type who never trusts any newly invented stuff ...
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Webmaster		#289 Posted : 25 August 2008 22:39:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black Just glad being the distrustful & cautious type who never trusts any newly invented stuff ... Without a small real-time computing box onboard, the Apollo(s) would never have gotten so far... So the concept is not that newly invented...
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john black		#290 Posted : 25 August 2008 22:41:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		With "newly invented stuff I never trust" I referred to the new, delayed-time CS1 [xx(] Not to old, real-time computing aka APOLLO-BOX or CU6021 But then you're right, again. Being no hero [xx(] (just prefer calculated risks) back in '69 no one could have me persuaded to enter that tin can
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Davy		#291 Posted : 26 August 2008 00:00:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,915 Location: Netherlands		More info on: http://www.modellbahn-kurier.de/ http://www.eisenbahn-kur...l/maerklin_cs_system.pdf Well in German. Klik on weiterlesen Für jede Lok ein Farbbild. Ein einfacher USB-Stick genügt zur Datensicherung … Die Central Station kann einfach über das Internet oder über entsprechende Daten auf einem USB-Stick in Zukunft upgedatet werden. Dieser komplette Prozess wurde so gestaltet, dass auch Anwender ohne PC-Kenntnisse dies leicht selbst durchführen können. Die neue Märklin digital Central Station beinhaltet daher mehr als 37 Einzelkomponenten, die beim früheren Digitalsystem einzeln erworben werden mussten. Dabei sind noch nicht die neuen Gleisbildstellpulte berücksichtigt, die in dieser Form bisher noch nicht erhältlich waren. But may be someone can translate it in Englisch. For me German is not to difficult to read.
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mjrallare		#292 Posted : 26 August 2008 00:09:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 563		Thanks for the info Davy. In the "Systemarchitektur" it says Booster 60173. I guess there will be a long wait for the 60172... /Torbjörn
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intruder		#293 Posted : 26 August 2008 00:37:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		Thanks for the links, Davy. As I have the CS1, maybe I will wait some years to buy a newr one. It's a good thing the the CS1 amd the MS can be connected to the CS2. I wonder if it will have the functionality as it has today.
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Bigdaddynz		#294 Posted : 26 August 2008 00:44:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,764 Location: New Zealand		Interesting diagram, as I hoped for it seems you can plug a CS1 into a CS2 via a connect-60121, and you can plug a remote CS2 into a master CS2. If this eventuates (remembering that it took 3 or 4 years for the current systems platform to be delivered, and then it was not 100% delivered according to the architecure diagram) the Marklin Digital system looks to be able to scale to control large layouts quite well. We also have another new device - connect-60128 - which seems to allow connection of a 6021 series of units, presumably as a remote controller, this preserving the investment in those older items. Somewhat different and better to the sniffer technology of the CS1! Again, Marklin, you need to deliver on your promises!
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john black		#295 Posted : 26 August 2008 00:50:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		A bit complicated what different stuff can be plugged together now. Old CU to old CS1, and then this combo by another sniffer to CS2. And then there'll be a CS3 some time in the future, and so on ... Where does this end, huh ...
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Maxi		#296 Posted : 26 August 2008 01:20:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 757 Location: Wawa, Ontario		A USB mouse capability is a interesting addition. I am also glad to see that the method of connecting the CS to a computer is via ethernet, this is in my view the most cross platform compatible protocol with the many operating systems out there. I think that the growing pains and wait will be worth the effort. Nice to see that in the proposed diagram how all the systems tie together that the original CS is connected via the I2C bus this time which will allow for two way communication.
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Macfire		#297 Posted : 26 August 2008 01:25:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/11/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,652 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Goofy Lets starts the wild speculation anyway...! Goofy [}:)] Okay - Here goes. Just did a search and came up with the following: The product number 60213 is going to be followed with a suffix, thus: 60213-S or 60213-01 etc. This will be so you can purchase your CS2 in your chosen colours. For example the -S allows you to have the SBB colours and the -01 will be for the Epoch II Rheingold colours. PS I found this information of the Flat Earth MMR site [}:)] [}:)]
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David Dewar		#298 Posted : 26 August 2008 01:36:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,452 Location: Scotland		Lord Macca at present the cave company have a tartan one ...cash as usual. Flash
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Macfire		#299 Posted : 26 August 2008 02:17:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/11/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,652 Location: New Zealand		Nay Sir Flash All tartans covered - except for the Campbells Oops sorry Big Daddy Just waiting for the deliveries to be completed.
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drwhitl		#300 Posted : 26 August 2008 02:25:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/03/2008(UTC) Posts: 98 Location: Auckland,		A few good bits for me (if I translated correctly): 1. It looks like one can get pre-set acceleration and braking delay even when using Delta type decoders - the controller must send out a series of commands to each decoder thus increasing/decreasing speed gradually until the desired set speed is reached. 2. One can back up directly to a USB stick if needed. 3. I'm not sure, but it sounds like one could back up one particular lok (its parameters, CVs etc) on to a file via the USB stick. For someone like me in the repair business and doing digital conversions, when I return a clients lok, I could also hand over a file with a backup of all the parameters of the lok as I've just set it up. This would be useful with an MFX lok and provide for a work-around for a future "failing to register" problem. I couldn't quite gleen the purpose of having a USB mouse connected directly to the CS. Can any one who speaks the lingo elucidate on that? cheers Dennis
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