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Offline marklinist5999  
#151 Posted : 23 February 2021 18:26:47(UTC)
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The Unimat is nothing short of brilliant for a model! Albeit pticey, but so was my Goliath crane. When you think they've done all that is possible in this scale, something more amazing comes along. Who'd have thought that in 1990 we'd have peizo motors operating pantographs, and sound? Maybe it was already envisioned by the trade. Like smart phones, my son in law thinks someday your screen will be projected in front of your eye.
Offline Goofy  
#152 Posted : 23 February 2021 18:29:17(UTC)
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I don´t understand why people are still talkning about C-sinus motor?
Leave it!
Märklin does not take care of it anymore time.
DC motor rules now in Märklin Göppingen.
H0
Two rail= Pure realism
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Offline H0  
#153 Posted : 23 February 2021 19:44:49(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
I don´t understand why people are still talkning about C-sinus motor?
I'm not surprised.
If people still think that 39xxx numbers stand for C Sine motors then IMHO it is appropriate to talk about C Sine motors, even though they left for good many years ago.

Märklin used very big words to announce the SDS as the standard motor for premium models when they introduced it. They silently dropped it a short time after its introduction.
Regards
Tom
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Offline marklinist5999  
#154 Posted : 23 February 2021 20:36:54(UTC)
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SDS was followed by Soft drive sinus, then compact sinus motor. M realized the compact was garbage. The plastic housing cracked apart. I realized change was inadvertant upon removing the body off my 39120 E 10 from 2007. It has the can SDS motor. It runs well. Some reported here having operating issues with speed control. Turns out the the sine waves interfere with MFX, and M wasn't trashcanning that. So away went the C sine. It was also a cost saving measure. My using the same type can motor as other makers, a 5 pole, like Mitsumi, etc. the cost is much less, and makes compatibility with dcc easier. While myself I've not had any running problems with my three C sine loc's, I havn't tried running them with other mfx devices in operation yet. I have ran my 39355 Taurus, and 39573 br 103 at the same time.
A 3900 series since has meant MFX+, until some recent issue 3700 series models also have mfx+ world of operation now.
Offline H0  
#155 Posted : 23 February 2021 20:59:54(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post
SDS was followed by Soft drive sinus, then compact sinus motor.
SDS is Soft-drive Sinus. SDS is the successor of Compact C-Sine. I sometimes call the Compact C-Sine the "Rough-Drive Sinus" (RDS).
In the first place there was the C-Sine motor which is nowadays called the Large C-Sine motor. Märklin only made three models with mfx and large C-Sine.

The 3900 series denotes loco kits for self-assembly. That was long before mfx+. LOL

I never experienced problems with the C-Sine motor interfering with mfx. Before the SDS came out there were speed control problems with any C-Sine motor and mfx locos, caused by badly engineered driver electronics that connect decoder and motor.

But since there are no SDS locos in the 2021 new items brochure, I think we should stop re-discussing the glory and the pitfalls of the C-Sine history.
Regards
Tom
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#156 Posted : 23 February 2021 21:13:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
I sometimes call the Compact C-Sine the "Rough-Drive Sinus" (RDS).


C-Sine is sometimes called C-Swine.

Personally I never had any major issues with C-Sine based motors or their derivatives. I had some jerky running from a 39010 BR01 with SDS motor until I stopped using a 60052 transformer to power my CS1 and powered it with a proper switchmode power supply.
Offline marklinist5999  
#157 Posted : 23 February 2021 21:45:01(UTC)
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Huh
Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post
SDS was followed by Soft drive sinus, then compact sinus motor.
SDS is Soft-drive Sinus. SDS is the successor of Compact C-Sine. I sometimes call the Compact C-Sine the "Rough-Drive Sinus" (RDS).
In the first place there was the C-Sine motor which is nowadays called the Large C-Sine motor. Märklin only made three models with mfx and large C-Sine.

The 3900 series denotes loco kits for self-assembly. That was long before mfx+. LOL

I never experienced problems with the C-Sine motor interfering with mfx. Before the SDS came out there were speed control problems with any C-Sine motor and mfx locos, caused by badly engineered driver electronics that connect decoder and motor.

But since there are no SDS locos in the 2021 new items brochure, I think we should stop re-discussing the glory and the pitfalls of the C-Sine history.
I have never heard of nor seen a 3900 series self assembly kit locomotive? Which are/were these?

Offline danmarklinman  
#158 Posted : 23 February 2021 22:15:30(UTC)
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I have a c sine, it’s very smooth 👍and runs at a consistent set speed 👍
Marklin and Piko era 4 SNCB , Marklin wagons
Wiking model car Fan
Faller fan including car system
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Offline marklinist5999  
#159 Posted : 23 February 2021 22:23:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post
SDS was followed by Soft drive sinus, then compact sinus motor.
SDS is Soft-drive Sinus. SDS is the successor of Compact C-Sine. I sometimes call the Compact C-Sine the "Rough-Drive Sinus" (RDS).
In the first place there was the C-Sine motor which is nowadays called the Large C-Sine motor. Märklin only made three models with mfx and large C-Sine.

The 3900 series denotes loco kits for self-assembly. That was long before mfx+. LOL

I never experienced problems with the C-Sine motor interfering with mfx. Before the SDS came out there were speed control problems with any C-Sine motor and mfx locos, caused by badly engineered driver electronics that connect decoder and motor.

But since there are no SDS locos in the 2021 new items brochure, I think we should stop re-discussing the glory and the pitfalls of the C-Sine history.
Self assembly 3900 kits? Which were they? I have never seen one!Confused

Offline mbarreto  
#160 Posted : 23 February 2021 22:56:23(UTC)
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My experience with SDS was and is good Never had problems except with 39010: it stopped running and Märklin replaced it under warranty.



Mostly Märklin H0.


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Offline kiwiAlan  
#161 Posted : 24 February 2021 00:39:49(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post
Self assembly 3900 kits? Which were they? I have never seen one!Confused



They came out in the 1960s, possibly late 1950s and into early 1970s.

The commonest one is probably the 3921 v200 diesel. I believe there was a crocodile and some others as well. A quick scan of a Kolls catalogue should fill you in.

There was quite a range of built it yourself wagons as well.
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Offline foumaro  
#162 Posted : 24 February 2021 05:07:22(UTC)
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#163 Posted : 24 February 2021 21:39:21(UTC)
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Well, I guess it takes all sorts, we all have our own oddball likes ...

New Eurotrain model ...
https://www.modellbahn-kramm.com/blog#b-40
I think Railsystems RP are the company that did a loco in the fiery logo of a pop group - in 2019 IIRC.

I don't know the origins of Amazing Amelie, so wondering if one of our German members can fill in the hole in my knowledge.
Offline bph  
#164 Posted : 28 February 2021 23:46:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Well, I guess it takes all sorts, we all have our own oddball likes ...

New Eurotrain model ...
https://www.modellbahn-kramm.com/blog#b-40
I think Railsystems RP are the company that did a loco in the fiery logo of a pop group - in 2019 IIRC.

I don't know the origins of Amazing Amelie, so wondering if one of our German members can fill in the hole in my knowledge.


well, there is a French movie called Amazing Amelie, haven't seen it.
I find that the locomotive and model are nicely done.

If you are also referring to the Bonfire locomotive, I believe that it was owned by EWL GmbH East West Logistics at the time, and rented out to SVG - Stauden-Verkehrs-GmbH
The metal band Bonfire made several music videos where the locomotive used.Cool
Offline kiwiAlan  
#165 Posted : 01 March 2021 00:21:26(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bph Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Well, I guess it takes all sorts, we all have our own oddball likes ...

New Eurotrain model ...
https://www.modellbahn-kramm.com/blog#b-40
I think Railsystems RP are the company that did a loco in the fiery logo of a pop group - in 2019 IIRC.

I don't know the origins of Amazing Amelie, so wondering if one of our German members can fill in the hole in my knowledge.


well, there is a French movie called Amazing Amelie, haven't seen it.
I find that the locomotive and model are nicely done.

If you are also referring to the Bonfire locomotive, I believe that it was owned by EWL GmbH East West Logistics at the time, and rented out to SVG - Stauden-Verkehrs-GmbH
The metal band Bonfire made several music videos where the locomotive used.Cool


Yes I was referring to the Bonfire loco. Thanks for the clarification, and the information on Amazing Amelie.
Offline dickinsonj  
#166 Posted : 03 March 2021 16:48:45(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: pserup Go to Quoted Post
I was hoping for an "end car" to the UP passenger car set from last year. But no... instead we get a big fat nothing.

I would like that as well. I would really like another set of UP coaches to make it a more realistic consist than just four coaches and two baggage wagons being pulled by one of the largest steamers ever built!

I agree that an end car would be nice but my UP streamliner book says that UP only bought a few observation cars with blind ends, and those were later converted to a normal configuration to make train assembly easier.

A SP cab forward would be one of those must buy offerings for me, but unfortunately I really don't expect to ever see that from Märklin. It would also be nice to see some passenger coaches which were not Budd coaches, but that seems pretty unlikely as well.
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
So many trains and so little time.
Offline dickinsonj  
#167 Posted : 03 March 2021 17:00:34(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: shannon Go to Quoted Post
noticed diesel locomotive class 77 and 66 which is marked as Dynamic Smoke Exhaust. Is it the same as synchronized smoking?


When the class 66 locos were announced at least some of them listed dynamic smoke as a feature. But none of them now list that feature, just that a smoke generator is included from the factory.

I am wondering if the dynamic smoke concept died even more quickly than the piezo exhaust idea and was pulled before it was ever produced. I know that dynamic smoke is available in HO locos from other companies, so it should be doable.
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
So many trains and so little time.
Offline petestra  
#168 Posted : 03 March 2021 17:12:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: pserup Go to Quoted Post
I was hoping for an "end car" to the UP passenger car set from last year. But no... instead we get a big fat nothing.

I would like that as well. I would really like another set of UP coaches to make it a more realistic consist than just four coaches and two baggage wagons being pulled by one of the largest steamers ever built!

I agree that an end car would be nice but my UP streamliner book says that UP only bought a few observation cars with blind ends, and those were later converted to a normal configuration to make train assembly easier.

A SP cab forward would be one of those must buy offerings for me, but unfortunately I really don't expect to ever see that from Märklin. It would also be nice to see some passenger coaches which were not Budd coaches, but that seems pretty unlikely as well.


Hello Jim. As a long time Marklin operator since the 60s I wonder what the % is of how many Marklin people in the USA buy U.S. prototypes? I have never bought any

as I've always loved European models/prototypes. The company must do research on this I'm sure? Just a thought. Cheers! Peter. Cool

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Offline dickinsonj  
#169 Posted : 03 March 2021 18:26:27(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: petestra Go to Quoted Post
Hello Jim. As a long time Marklin operator since the 60s I wonder what the % is of how many Marklin people in the USA buy U.S. prototypes?

Hello Peter,

I'm sure that is true and we are pretty small in number. I started collecting Märklin over 30 years ago intending to only buy models of European prototypes, which are still my favorites also.

But then the California Zephyr came out and I could not resist it, and later the first Big Boy and I had started down a slippery slope. So although I mostly have European Märklin models I have enough US models to want more, even though I know that is not likely to happen. Most of the people from this forum who I discuss US models with are located outside of North America, so there is some market there.

But I am content to just enjoy the ones that I have. When people mention dream locos I have several US prototypes on my my list, even if wanting US models from a German company is a bit illogical. BigGrin

Cheers
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
So many trains and so little time.
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Offline bph  
#170 Posted : 03 March 2021 20:45:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: shannon Go to Quoted Post
noticed diesel locomotive class 77 and 66 which is marked as Dynamic Smoke Exhaust. Is it the same as synchronized smoking?


When the class 66 locos were announced at least some of them listed dynamic smoke as a feature. But none of them now list that feature, just that a smoke generator is included from the factory.

I am wondering if the dynamic smoke concept died even more quickly than the piezo exhaust idea and was pulled before it was ever produced. I know that dynamic smoke is available in HO locos from other companies, so it should be doable.


Dint not why it's not listed on all, but as far as I know, they do have it. and e.g. 39068 have it listed.

The dynamic smoke is nicely demonstrated in this review:
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Offline dickinsonj  
#171 Posted : 04 March 2021 00:55:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bph Go to Quoted Post
Don't not why it's not listed on all, but as far as I know, they do have it.

That is good to hear, because it is a feature that I really want. The lighted control desk is cool - my ESU V200 already had both that and dynamic smoke years ago. So it seemed only reasonable that Mäkrlin would want to catch up on HO model tech.

So I assume that it is a breakdown in marketing and not a change to the model. But when I saw it removed from a dealer's website I checked with mother Märklin and it is no longer on their website either.

I hope that Märklin makes this more clear soon, although I probably won't buy until some people have them and have reviewed them anyway.

Oh, and thanks for the link I will watch it after I run some trains. ThumpUp
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
So many trains and so little time.
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Offline DasBert33  
#172 Posted : 04 March 2021 16:43:30(UTC)
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I recently acquired the Lineas class 66 #39062. A nice looking loco but the smoke has not convinced me. Not that it was too few smoke, on the contrary it is too much. I just let my loco run for 10 minutes with smoke, and then I had to evacuate the train room because of the smell and smoke. Even with the window open all night, I could still smell it the next day. So I won't be using this feature a lot in the future.

If only it had the piezo element with plain water, that would not have been as bad for your health (but bad for rusting crail pukos though). I want to save my lungcapacity for when I eventually catch the coronabug, which will probably happen sooner or later.

Maybe they should have copied the curve sensor and braking spark feature from ESU instead.

Bert
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Offline dickinsonj  
#173 Posted : 04 March 2021 17:09:57(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DasBert33 Go to Quoted Post
I recently acquired the Lineas class 66 #39062. A nice looking loco but the smoke has not convinced me. Not that it was too few smoke, on the contrary it is too much.

It is interesting to hear that Bert. What I have found on most Märklin locos is too little smoke, and not too much.

I don't use the smoke feature a lot right now, but hopefully my new train room is going to have enough ventilation to allow me to use smoke when I want.

I agree about the curve sensor and the brake sparking features on ESU locos, both of which are very cool! They might have been better features for Märklin to copy.
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
So many trains and so little time.
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Offline bph  
#174 Posted : 04 March 2021 19:55:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: bph Go to Quoted Post
Don't not why it's not listed on all, but as far as I know, they do have it.

That is good to hear, because it is a feature that I really want. The lighted control desk is cool - my ESU V200 already had both that and dynamic smoke years ago. So it seemed only reasonable that Mäkrlin would want to catch up on HO model tech.

So I assume that it is a breakdown in marketing and not a change to the model. But when I saw it removed from a dealer's website I checked with mother Märklin and it is no longer on their website either.

I hope that Märklin makes this more clear soon, although I probably won't buy until some people have them and have reviewed them anyway.

Oh, and thanks for the link I will watch it after I run some trains. ThumpUp


Yes, it's a nice model, and I'm quite happy with my CD 66 (39063). I do like the "extra" long-distance lights as well, thas are unique for the CD 66 and the new T66 (39068). I'm curious to see if Marklin also changes the snowplow on the T66 as they did with the CD 66. the "crippled" snowplow is the only minor downside. (i plan to modify at least one of the extra showcase plows included, so it works with a nem coupler.)

As for the smoke generator, it works fairly nice and does a reasonable job to mimic extra exhaust during acceleration. we will just have to wait for someone to develop some black smoke fluid.
the smoke generator part number in the paper manual, included with the locomotive, is the same as all the part numbers listed on the webpages. I don't think that it smokes that much, as a couple of Br53 also smoke a bit. But it seems to me that the ESU smoke oil is a bit more smelly than the marklin oil, haven't really compared them side by side, so I might be wrong.
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