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Offline TEEWolf  
#101 Posted : 03 August 2018 22:58:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Minok Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
On page 17 the same Maerklin track planning book states that cutting the curved section already after 151 mm results in a 52 mm track distance. Then, there is an article (“C-Gleis-Variationen”) in the German MIBA magazine 1998 edition # 11 on pages 60 ff documenting the conversion (or mutilation). The curved section is removed right behind the frog, thereby reducing the branch angle to 16 degrees. A straight piece extension - seven sleepers long - is fitted to defuse the S curve. According to MIBA, the 24215 15 degree track piece serves as counter curve. The one degree difference is absorbed by the C track slack. The first article photo depicts an intricate station throat created with adapted turnouts.


Is there some photos you can post? I understand the copyright issues but on such an old magazine issue it's not likely they are selling new issues.


Here you may download the MIBA paper 1998-11

https://azdoc.pl/miba-19...new&utm_medium=azdoc

and 1998-12 as PDF-files.

https://azdoc.pl/miba-1998-12.html

CS 3 is a controller system from Märklin - not a central station.
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#102 Posted : 13 October 2018 15:36:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
A space-saving and daring combination which I employed in the shadow station area of my former layout Humbug-Dummtor. Actually an iteration of the asymmetrical wye presented by Kimball above.

Another iteration made possible by the advent of 24315.
diamond2018wye.png
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Offline michelvr  
#103 Posted : 27 November 2018 23:13:34(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
Elaborating on posts 27 & 28:
AEB v2.pngAEB v2a.png
Space requirement for this nucleus: 171 x 130 cm.


Question, this doesn't line up in the ANYRAIL program but does it in reality as I do not have any of this track to try out?

Regards,

Michel
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Offline clapcott  
#104 Posted : 28 November 2018 05:30:09(UTC)
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The C-Track range has a 24649
I believe that using this helps eliminate a lot of piecemeal makeup sections and offers the train a nice ride
UserPostedImage
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Offline harris19  
#105 Posted : 28 November 2018 09:41:55(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post
The C-Track range has a 24649
I believe that using this helps eliminate a lot of piecemeal makeup sections and offers the train a nice ride
UserPostedImage


Hello Peter
can you add element display to the above post ? (mean c track names)
thank you
Harris
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#106 Posted : 28 November 2018 12:24:38(UTC)
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Thanks fellows:

My motto: Never without my 24206.
:o)

Originally Posted by: michelvr Go to Quoted Post
Question, this doesn't line up in the ANYRAIL program but does it in reality as I do not have any of this track to try out?

The only critical section is the connection between the curved turnouts to the left: The “C track slack” allows for this, but one might need to screw down the C track. Leaving away the curved turnouts = no problem any more.


Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post
The C-Track range has a 24649
I believe that using this helps eliminate a lot of piecemeal makeup sections and offers the train a nice ride


True, but to be considered:
- My design defuses S-curves by inserting 188 mm straight sections, respectively, which avoids stressed couplers and derailments.
- When I once had a more sophisticated version of the condensed pretzel, it was concealed in the centre of the layout, thus riding comfort did not matter at that time:
https://www.marklin-user...n-Layout.aspx#post323270
- Your design requires switching (via operating the curved turnouts) for "continuous" running over the pretzel, while mine does not (subject to proper setting of "non-motorized" Maerklin sprung turnouts).

BTW, forum member 5HorizonsRR has a similar construct: https://www.marklin-user...t-Project-In--4-x-7-Feet
Offline Alsterstreek  
#107 Posted : 28 November 2018 12:53:52(UTC)
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Post # 76 contains another solution regarding the curved turnouts situation:
2018-11-28_pretzel entrance post76.png
Never without my 24206...
:o)
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#108 Posted : 14 February 2019 20:44:24(UTC)
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Member mbarreto has posted separately this interesting use of C track.

"hello,

I found a site about a modular system built around C Track. Even for the ones not interested at all about modules, the site has interesting information about C Track in sections "WHAT'S C-TRAK" and "THE STANDARDS".

Don't confuse C-TRAK with the C track :) C-TRAK is about modules built with C Track.

https://www.c-trak.org/"

To go straight to mbarretos topic and thread, use this link:
https://www.marklin-users.net/forum/posts/t42278-C-TRAK-An-anlternative-modular-system-and-some-interesting-information-about-C-track

Kimball
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Offline mbarreto  
#109 Posted : 14 February 2019 22:04:40(UTC)
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Thank you Kimball. I think this thread is indeed a good place for my post.
Mostly Märklin H0.


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Offline quarkhirad  
#110 Posted : 27 February 2019 18:00:22(UTC)
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Hi thank you guys

I have been using m track all my life . Just realized i am going to make move to c track this post is a treasure trove. Hey is there any track planning software with marklin c track and mtrack geometry. So that i can make new track plans

Thank you


Khirad
Offline TEEWolf  
#111 Posted : 27 February 2019 18:44:38(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: quarkhirad Go to Quoted Post
Hi thank you guys

I have been using m track all my life . Just realized i am going to make move to c track this post is a treasure trove. Hey is there any track planning software with marklin c track and mtrack geometry. So that i can make new track plans

Thank you


Khirad


I just answered your similar question in your other thread here.

https://www.marklin-user...dunread-C-track-geometry
CS 3 is a controller system from Märklin - not a central station.
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Offline quarkhirad  
#112 Posted : 17 March 2019 15:26:56(UTC)
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HEy hi guys

This is relay interesting . I am very new to C track i have always used m track. Now i am looking at the c track geometry and it shows uses of turnout 24711 and 24712. I cant seem to figure out which curved track is being used to get the the two tracks parallel. Can anyone tell me (See the track in red circle.)





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Offline PeFu  
#113 Posted : 17 March 2019 15:41:00(UTC)
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It’s the Märklin 24912.
The Great Krok!
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Offline quarkhirad  
#114 Posted : 22 March 2019 17:34:58(UTC)
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Hi guys by using a 5137 turnout in M-track i could get a siding with around 55 mm center to center distance. However the minimum center to center distance that i can get with C track using 24711 or 24712 is around 64 mm (see below pic). Any suggestion on how to get a smaller distance. The thing is that in india our tracks are spaced at 4725 mm. Thus for a ho scale it is 4725/87= 54.31 mm. Can anyone help


Thank you

khirad


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Offline mbarreto  
#115 Posted : 22 March 2019 17:59:53(UTC)
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The radius of the curves in India, and everywhere else, are certainly much larger than the scale radius of R9 of C track, so you will never be building your layout to an exact scale unless you have really a very big space and use K track flex track.
the distance between the tracks is bigger than the real scale because you need clearance in the curves and you may also need to pick the train by hand, and in that case your fingers must fit between 2 trains in contiguous parallel straights.

One method for what you are asking maybe not using the 24071 tracks and cut the 24912 so that it will fits. Then you will get smaller distance between the tracks, but is not an easy task, at least for me.

If you want to go the way I described above, you need to cut the roadbe close to the turnout so that it doesn't overlap. Then instead of cut a portion on the other side I sugest you cut a portion of the roadbed and center rail in the midle. After that join the 2 parts of the roadbed in still in the track and cut the 2 rails in excess. After that solder the 2 parts of the center rail so they will be electrically connected...

Regards,
Miguel
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#116 Posted : 22 March 2019 19:00:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: quarkhirad Go to Quoted Post
... Any suggestion on how to get a smaller distance. The thing is that in india our tracks are spaced at 4725 mm. Thus for a ho scale it is 4725/87= 54.31 mm. ...

Please check post 101 above, in case you are not afraid of mutilating C track with a saw...

Offline kimballthurlow  
#117 Posted : 22 March 2019 22:06:06(UTC)
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Hi khirad

The distance between parallel tracks is similar anywhere - including Germany.
As Miguel says there are practical reasons for Maerklin to widen this in C track.

However I don't like the idea of messing with the 24071.
Instead of the 24912, in a track set up for the purpose try the smaller radius curves.
Try a 24206+24207 which equals 13 degrees and may do the job of keeping the tangent parallel (as does the 12 degree 24912). I just tried that with the track pieces - it works for a 51mm spacing.

Or maybe a 24215 (which will need cutting) or a 24224 ....
Then cut it at the point where the tangent would be parallel.


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Offline Alsterstreek  
#118 Posted : 22 March 2019 22:15:22(UTC)
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Various ways to reduce the track distance with a curved turnout:
minimal2019distance.png
https://stummiforum.de/viewtopic.php?t=97416
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#119 Posted : 23 March 2019 00:41:47(UTC)
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I have used the track pieces to achieve 55mm spacing as follows:
Wide radius point + 24071 + 24206 + cut 30mm straight + 24207. Looks good to me.

You will run into fouling problems if using signals, catenary masts etc.
Kimball
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Offline quarkhirad  
#120 Posted : 23 March 2019 09:28:57(UTC)
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Hmm Thanks guys

This looks interesting . Yeah i do have a friend in pune who has a full fledged workshop so i should be able to cut C-track .

The solution with curve tracks is also very interesting i think i should be able to modify my layout slightly to be able to use that solution. Let us see.

Damn interesting


Thank you Again

Cheers




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Offline Alsterstreek  
#121 Posted : 23 March 2019 13:58:04(UTC)
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Well, there are various degrees of "cutting".

For roadbed adjustments - see lower pix in post 59:
https://www.marklin-user...third-attempt#post537139

For length adjustments (German blog, but the images speak for themselves):
https://www.uni-ulm.de/~.../modellbahn/schiene.html

When cutting C track I used to use Märklin 7595 rail connectors (actually marketed for K track) "to heal the wounds." Anyway, nothing for a feeble heart...

Edited by user 23 March 2019 18:47:57(UTC)  | Reason: typo

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Offline mbarreto  
#122 Posted : 23 March 2019 17:09:40(UTC)
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Hello,

Relative to my last append in this thread, as the angle of the 24912 is the same as the turnout curve, then I do't see the need to cut in the middle and it will be ok to just cut the side of the roadbed of the straight and the 24912 close to the turnout. I didn' test this myself.

I like the solutions presented by Kimball and Ak. Thanks for sharing.

Regards,
Miguel
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#123 Posted : 26 April 2019 08:26:06(UTC)
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This is Michels' experience in building a layout in C track which indicates some enthusiasm for the product.
He is an experienced model railroader, so it is a rather nice testimonial.
Originally Posted by: michelvr Go to Quoted Post
Good morning,

After two years of planning for my new layout, collecting all the track pieces and finally creating my new Märklin C track HO scale layout. I can say, I’m nearing the end of my journey! It's been a real breath of fresh air using the Märklin C track program with all of the set pieces. I would like to encourage others out there who like me had doubts about the benefits of this innovative track that you need to try it and let me be the first to say, “Try it you'll really like it!”

I can honestly state that this was the most enjoyable project l've ever had in creating and building a HO scale model train layout. Having everything fit and follow a defined geometry takes the track laying phase to the next level where everything fits into the track plan! The track plan is the map that shows you where everything goes from your concept, ideas and wants to making your layout work. Without a track plan you'll only run into trouble! I would recommend that you purchase some sort of track planning software. I used ANYRAIL software which worked well for me and l'm quite sure the other software programs work as well. Using software you have the templates for the track pieces and all you have to do is make a layout plan that suits your needs. The tracks fit into place on the screen of your computer. Once completed print your plan and start laying your track pieces following the your track plan. No calculations, no measuring and no cutting of track needed, everything fits into place and then your done! Your Märkin C track dream layout is made just the way is should be, right on track!

Michel


You can follow a slew of replies to Michel here in this topic:
Märklin's C track geometry makes great layouts...

Kimball
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#124 Posted : 29 April 2019 22:39:52(UTC)
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Here is a great use of slim turnouts in sequence with an irregular use of the 24071 track piece.

Posted by hxmiesa in the topic mentioned earlier.

"The removable TRACKBED could be part of the switch; In the cases where several consecutive switches are to be mounted, 71mm might be saved if a small (71mm long!) triangular piece of trackbed could be removed at each side of all of its 3 track connections.
At the end of each group of switches, the 071 track-piece with removable trackbed would still be necessary, of course, in order to allow the "normal" sectional trackpieces with complete trackbed to be connected.

Of course you cant read the pictures I have in my mind, so I suppose a drawing here would help a lot. I dont think I can explain it much better. I thought it wasnt so complicated to imagine... Blushing

PS: No drawing necessarry; Here is a photo of somebody thinking the same (More or less);
http://666kb.com/i/b9vz9ii5hz85uaq1l.jpg
slim turnouts and 24071"

Kimball
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#125 Posted : 29 April 2019 22:43:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post

PS: No drawing necessarry; Here is a photo of somebody thinking the same (More or less);
http://666kb.com/i/b9vz9ii5hz85uaq1l.jpg
slim turnouts and 24071"

Kimball


That link isn't working, I get 'Not Found' error.

Offline kiwiAlan  
#126 Posted : 29 April 2019 22:45:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post

PS: No drawing necessarry; Here is a photo of somebody thinking the same (More or less);
http://666kb.com/i/b9vz9ii5hz85uaq1l.jpg
slim turnouts and 24071"

Kimball


That link isn't working, I get 'Not Found' error.



Hah, but as soon as I post that, the link shows a picture Mad Mad Mad

Perversity of inanimate objects ... Confused Confused Confused

Offline Jabez  
#127 Posted : 30 April 2019 00:43:59(UTC)
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Offline rbw993  
#128 Posted : 30 April 2019 13:35:36(UTC)
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Which are you cutting Kimball, the 24711 or 24071?

Thanks,
Roger
Offline kimballthurlow  
#129 Posted : 01 May 2019 00:28:17(UTC)
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Hi Roger,

I just re-posted hxmiesa's picture.
I have not tried the arrangement.

However the 24071 has the removeable ballast side section, so I doubt that would be cut.
It looks like a small wedge is cut from the ballast side section of the 24711 at the toe end.

Kimball
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Offline dickinsonj  
#130 Posted : 01 May 2019 01:10:57(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post

However the 24071 has the removable ballast side section, so I doubt that would be cut.
It looks like a small wedge is cut from the ballast side section of the 24711 at the toe end.

Kimball


I agree, but I don't understand exactly why someone would want to do that? Just to gain a few mm closer track spacing?

I was amazed when I tried to do a two series of four 24711/24712 turnouts between adjacent lines and even a straight run of four meters would not allow eight pairs of turnouts with a turnout in and one out for each of five lives. I could just fit in three sets connecting four of my mainlines and did the other pairs at other locations. But would cutting the turnout bases really gain you enough to make it worthwhile?

On the other hand I have wondered why Märklin didn't just build that joining piece into the turnouts at times myself. I always assumed that it allowed for other track geometries which wouldn't be available if it was all built into one piece. But on the other hand I don't know of any track arrangements from Märklin that don't require the use of the 24071 pieces, so that could be complete bull crap. BigGrin

Märklin's finances are definitely improving and they are focused on staying in business, as I think they should. So I doubt that giving us better C track options is high on their priority list. Maybe that provides a business opportunity for another company to make C track compatible pieces that answer our many wants and needs. ThumpUp
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
So many trains and so little time.
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Offline Minok  
#131 Posted : 01 May 2019 06:03:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Go to Quoted Post

On the other hand I have wondered why Märklin didn't just build that joining piece into the turnouts at times myself. I always assumed that it allowed for other track geometries which wouldn't be available if it was all built into one piece.


What if you wanted the short bit on the diverting output of the turnout?


Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Go to Quoted Post

I doubt that giving us better C track options is high on their priority list. Maybe that provides a business opportunity for another company to make C track compatible pieces that answer our many wants and needs. ThumpUp


The Märklin that puts the legal hammer on anyone using their photos in German forums due to their copyright status, even when the photos actually help advertise/identify their products (no fair use in Germany).. will certainly go all Lego on anyones ass that attempts to make a 'compatible' track piece solong as their patents are in effect.
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Offline dickinsonj  
#132 Posted : 01 May 2019 12:52:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Minok Go to Quoted Post

The Märklin that puts the legal hammer on anyone using their photos in German forums due to their copyright status, even when the photos actually help advertise/identify their products (no fair use in Germany).. will certainly go all Lego on anyones ass that attempts to make a 'compatible' track piece solong as their patents are in effect.


No doubt that is true, but it is short sighted and counterproductive if they don't intend to expand the C track arsenal themselves.
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
So many trains and so little time.
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#133 Posted : 01 May 2019 13:40:16(UTC)
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A graphic novel for the C track flex-trackies:

http://www.thkas-moba.de/mucis/c-flex.html
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#134 Posted : 01 May 2019 13:49:03(UTC)
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Offline rbw993  
#135 Posted : 01 May 2019 16:06:07(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
A graphic novel for the C track flex-trackies:

http://www.thkas-moba.de/mucis/c-flex.html


More like major surgery.
So I wonder how it would work to join 20 X 24064 and bend the whole lot slightly. Would be a lot less work!

Roger
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Offline hxmiesa  
#136 Posted : 01 May 2019 20:03:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Go to Quoted Post

I agree, but I don't understand exactly why someone would want to do that? Just to gain a few mm closer track spacing?
I was amazed when I tried to do a two series of four 24711/24712 turnouts between adjacent lines and even a straight run of four meters would not allow eight pairs of turnouts with a turnout in and one out for each of five lives. I could just fit in three sets connecting four of my mainlines and did the other pairs at other locations. But would cutting the turnout bases really gain you enough to make it worthwhile?

It´s not just for getting closer spacing. Most people can probably live with 64mm spacing, which isnt bad.
It´s to save on the LENGTH of the ladders; You are saying it yourself; Difficult to fit in several switches one after the other.
If you can get rid of the 71mm piece, by having a detachable piece of track-bed directly on the switch, you can install FOUR switched instead of THREE for the same length.
A design-fault in my opinion, as a "discount" version of my idea for just ONE end of the switch, wouldnt had made the switch so much more expensive.

As to the reason why the 71mm pieces arent fixed onto the switch; Then you wouldnt be able to install two opposing swtitches (where you get to "save" one of the four 71mm pieces) while maintaining the 64mm system-spacing. Also; Having a larger mould means an exponentially more expensive production, as you would need to use one of your larger moulding-machines. Gotta keep those moulds as compact as possible!
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#137 Posted : 11 May 2019 12:57:24(UTC)
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#138 Posted : 14 June 2019 15:43:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post
The C-Track range has a 24649
I believe that using this helps eliminate a lot of piecemeal makeup sections and offers the train a nice ride
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Sorry to reply to this old post, but I have been thinking/planning a c-track layout and I wanted to get your sense of my own version of the reversing loop/interchange for two, double track lines. I drew this up and it seems to work with all but two turnouts permanently shown. However, since the gurus on this site all use a figure 8 and not just one circle, I must be doing something wrong. Please enlighten me

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Offline Alsterstreek  
#139 Posted : 14 June 2019 15:51:10(UTC)
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Hi Steen:
Originally Posted by: fynrfin Go to Quoted Post
I drew this up and it seems to work with all but two turnouts permanently shown.
What do you mean by "permanently shown" please?

Originally Posted by: fynrfin Go to Quoted Post
However, since the gurus on this site all use a figure 8 and not just one circle, I must be doing something wrong.
Sorry, I do not understand. What is wrong about having a circle instead of a figure 8?
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#140 Posted : 14 June 2019 17:16:49(UTC)
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What do the very topmost and the bottom most paths give you? Seems they are redundant.
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#141 Posted : 02 July 2019 13:28:09(UTC)
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Another curved Hosentraeger.
2019-07-02_Hosentraeger-Kurve.png
"24" prefix for C track article numbers left away in image. The R3 curves (24315 + 24330) can be replaced by R2 or R1 curves as one pleases. The tiles measure 20 x 20 cm.
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#142 Posted : 02 July 2019 14:35:33(UTC)
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Another double crossover on a double track line.
2019-07-02_dbl_xing_dbl_trk.jpg
Upper track: 24672 + 24115 + 24206 + 24206 + 24215 + 24912 + 24071 + 24711
Lower track: 24230 + 24671 + 24107 + 24712 + 24071 (+ 24071 between turnouts) + 24229

Edited by user 03 July 2019 20:56:51(UTC)  | Reason: Configuration corrected

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Offline dickinsonj  
#143 Posted : 03 July 2019 03:13:03(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
Another double crossover on a double track line.

Wow - I thought that I knew and owned every piece of Mäklin C track sold and then you made this post! That is a very nice looking interchange BTW and it needs to go into my designer's bag of tricks. I never saw the 24912 piece in a catalog or noticed when they introduced it, so I was totally clueless about its existence and I can foresee many uses. BigGrin

Of course I now have to get some and add them to my track design process, which starts with physical instances and progresses toward nice, clean, officially approved designs. Cool

I learned more than I expected when I saw this post - both a very nice interchange and an important part of Märklin's C track system previously unknown to me. ThumpUp

Thanks!
Regards,
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I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
So many trains and so little time.
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#144 Posted : 03 July 2019 20:59:03(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
Another double crossover on a double track line.
Please note that I just adjusted the “track inventory” after having re-examined the real thing in the train room.

Edited by user 04 July 2019 12:55:03(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Offline Alsterstreek  
#145 Posted : 13 July 2019 19:00:21(UTC)
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Various turnout combinations for reduced track distances.
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#146 Posted : 13 July 2019 22:24:34(UTC)
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A little bit off topic, but important for every owner/or buyer of C-tracks - I think.

Today at our MIST, I talked to a very nice guy from the sales department of Maerklin. He mentioned Märklin has still an obligingness programm for broken C-track pieces. He also confessed, even today it may happen new C-track pieces break or crumble. Yes, they are aware to have sometimes quality problems with the C-tracks. Therefore Maerklin offers an obligingness programm still today, which is not generally known.

If you are out of any guarantee, Maerklin offers an obligingness for broken or crumbled C-tracks. Official deal is, you get brand new C-tracks for your old ones and pay only half price. If you are good in negotiation, perhaps less than these 50%.Smile
CS 3 is a controller system from Märklin - not a central station.
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Offline Minok  
#147 Posted : 13 July 2019 23:33:55(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post
A little bit off topic, but important for every owner/or buyer of C-tracks - I think.

Today at our MIST, I talked to a very nice guy from the sales department of Maerklin. He mentioned Märklin has still an obligingness programm for broken C-track pieces. He also confessed, even today it may happen new C-track pieces break or crumble. Yes, they are aware to have sometimes quality problems with the C-tracks. Therefore Maerklin offers an obligingness programm still today, which is not generally known.

If you are out of any guarantee, Maerklin offers an obligingness for broken or crumbled C-tracks. Official deal is, you get brand new C-tracks for your old ones and pay only half price. If you are good in negotiation, perhaps less than these 50%.Smile


Good to know. Does one have to send the broken track back? Because between the shipping and German customs duty it wouldn’t be worth it.

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Offline PMPeter  
#148 Posted : 14 July 2019 00:48:06(UTC)
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Really? Is there anything in writing about this, since from all previous threads on this topic of broken C track there was an expiry date for the exchange back in the early 2000s? Does it have to be done with Maerklin directly or can it also be done through a dealer?

While I have replaced most of my C track on my layout with K track and thrown about $1000 worth of C track into the trash, I still have approximately $2000 worth sitting in their original boxes, never used and ready for either a one time use or a trip to the trash.

If this exchange is still in place it would certainly be nice to get rid of this unused C track which virtually is useless and get something that is more reliable and sell able if need be.

Peter
Offline dickinsonj  
#149 Posted : 14 July 2019 01:05:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
Various turnout combinations for reduced track distances.

Nice. Those are some very tight and prototypical looking turnout arrangements, which show that you can actually do very good modeling with C track after all. You just have to be inventive and able to create track segments which are both realistic and functional in C track. There are enough bits if you use them in less conventional ways and with greater imagination. Cool

Your examples show us how that can be done. Good job and good inspiration. ThumpUp


Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
So many trains and so little time.
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#150 Posted : 14 July 2019 02:26:38(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PMPeter Go to Quoted Post
Does it have to be done with Maerklin directly or can it also be done through a dealer?

When I checked about four years ago I was told that it could only be done by your dealer and not by you working directly with Märklin, at least when you are located outside of Europe. My dealers were all out of business by then anyway, so that seemed to be that.

But eventually I just accepted the problem and then bought new C track because I love how my trains run on it and how easily it can be reconfigured as my ideas evolve. I have not had any problems with the new plastic formulation track BTW. ThumpUp

Originally Posted by: PMPeter Go to Quoted Post
If this exchange is still in place it would certainly be nice to get rid of this unused C track which virtually is useless and get something that is more reliable and sell able if need be.
Peter

Yes! like you Peter I also have dozens of boxes of this stuff sitting in storage containers in my house and other than the broken connectors they are essentially perfect. So my first thought was to eventually use them only where they could be well secured in a permanent layout, and where the physical connectors wouldn't matter. But my estimated year to start a permanent layout has slipped a bit again and carting this marginal track around is beginning to appear to be a bit dumb.

But for me it would be even better for Märklin to just take them away and dispose of them properly, so that I can finish my reboot on the new stuff which is a lot more resilient and also stronger, while retaining the benefits that this track has always provided. ThumpUp
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
So many trains and so little time.
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