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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by countrylink
At the price of 700euros i'd be right on the borderline of buying one especially as the aussie dollar has fallen a lot over the last month
Ditto. There would be serious consideration here as well. Positive reports would be mandatory and start sets an option. |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Hemmerich<br /> Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz
some of the Swiss dealers are expecting to be selling the CS2 in October. Well, well...  In Belgium they will... sorry for the speculation and rumors...[:I] Frank |
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No need to apologise, Frank.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by fvri<br /> Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Hemmerich<br /> Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz
some of the Swiss dealers are expecting to be selling the CS2 in October. Well, well... In Belgium they will... sorry for the speculation and rumors...[:I] Frank For extra safety,contact Hercule Poiret "private detectiv" from Belgium to make sure by check after correct date. Goofy  |
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Yes maybe only the famous Hercule Poirot will know. I don't care, I'm happy already with my ECoS that is what counts... The system continuosly improves. Frank |
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Bizarre There was a picture of the backside of CS2 on this forum before . As I wanted to look at it again....no more picture ! [:(] It seems the picture disappear.[}:)] Strange... strange...
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by jeehring<br />Bizarre There was a picture of the backside of CS2 on this forum before . As I wanted to look at it again....no more picture ! [:(] It seems the picture disappear.[}:)] Strange... strange... It was in a separate thread. Check here: https://www.marklin-user...ult.aspx?g=posts&t=10758
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Have a look at sample on CS2 screen with turnouts, Signal.  |
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Very nice,but don´t forget about the screenlayout too...!
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Still no information about Trix CST2 yet... I´m now wondering if there shall been DCC in Marklins CST2 instead anyway. I have to wait until Marklin show CST2 in Switzerland at the end of september or later in some german cities. Goofy  |
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Stephen, those icons are far more readable than the ones on CS1 - and even understandable... |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by steventrain<br />CS2 Germany Roadshow September. 22.9 Uhingen bei Göppingen, Gerberbräu, Kanalstr. 47, 73345 Uhingen 23.9 München, Avalon, Bahnhofstr. 30, 85609 Dornach bei München 24.9 Darmstadt, Centralstation, Im Carree, 64283 Darmstadt 25.9 Essen, Zeche Zollverein, Halle 21, Gelsenkirchener Str. 181, 45309 Essen 26.9 Hannover, Hangar Nr. 5, Völgerstraße 5, 30519 Hannover Full detail, see Insider club website if you log in. http://archiv.maerklin.de/iframe/insider/index.php This is so typical. I will be going to Germany and arrive to a city not far from Darmstadt on the 26th. Well, my favourite local dealer will of course have attended it and will have more information... |
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Just read the product information which is now on Maerklin.de about the 60213 CS II. Thought I saw something peculiar: Belastbarkeit am Anschlussgleis: max. 2,4 A and indeed checking my CS(I), it has a max output of 2,8 A. Would this be because the CS II is eating so much power itself? You'll need the booster (now that it lookes like really coming) all the sooner. Regards, Henk |
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Yes Henk,I've seen that information too. I've asked that question too some time ago and didn't get an answer! Does this have any relation to EU regulations on maximum power consumption of consumer/toy products??? Comes in handy for Märklin  .They can sell a lot of boosters because of this rule! Kind regards, Guus |
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Hi Guus,
i believe all M* products comply with EU-rules for toys. That's why they had this trafo exchange program as well.
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There I saw some other peculiar thing: you can only update a MS with a 60212 (CS I) and not with the new CS II! That is strange! And bad news for MS owners! Regards, Henk |
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Thanks for the link, clapcott. |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Hemmerich<br /> Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by hemau
You'll need the booster (now that it lookes like really coming) all the sooner. The booster of the CS1 (#60212) is quoted for 48VA; same applies to the CS2 (#60213); see also the Q&A at "What kind of booster output does the Central Station have?" Max output on track from CS II is according to published information from M* 2.4 A (see my earlier posting in this thread). How can you get 48 VA with only 2.4 A output? Could be with more than 16 V but that's not likely. Maybe the 48 VA is the total max output of the CS II on both track and programtrack. CS (I) booster can be set to max 2.8 A; first selectable step back is 2.4 A. That is 15% more than CS I. Regards, Henk. |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by hemau<br /> Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Hemmerich<br /> Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by hemau
You'll need the booster (now that it lookes like really coming) all the sooner. The booster of the CS1 (#60212) is quoted for 48VA; same applies to the CS2 (#60213); see also the Q&A at "What kind of booster output does the Central Station have?" Max output on track from CS II is according to published information from M* 2.4 A (see my earlier posting in this thread). How can you get 48 VA with only 2.4 A output? Could be with more than 16 V but that's not likely. Maybe the 48 VA is the total max output of the CS II on both track and programtrack. CS (I) booster can be set to max 2.8 A; first selectable step back is 2.4 A. That is 15% more than CS I. Regards, Henk. The nominal digital voltage is not 16V but 20V – thus the 48VA (Voltampere). Note this is not necessarily equivalent to the Watts (W) delivered as other factors are involved with AC current. Regards Chris
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Hi Chris! Nominal 20 V OK. But here are some readings from the screen of my CS (1) in operation:
startup 19.5 V, 650 mA output (some lighted coaches, switches)
put lights on in ICE 3: 17.6 V, 1575 mA
drive ICE with lights on 16.7 V, 1670 mA
drive ICE and GT 2 x 4/4 (delta) 16.2 V, 2300 mA when the ICE is climbing the hill. And that's only 2 trains running![:0]
So the more A you use, the less V you get. Not surprising. Or would they have achieved the CS 2 to keep the 20 V stable when under power consumption?
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Hi Henk
A Voltage drop when the load increases is as you say yourself what one might expect – unless the power supply is stabilized. But the Voltage drop you have measured is beyond what I can measure under similar load conditions on my CS – what transformer are you using?
Regards Chris
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Lokshop price on CS2 for 629,95 Euros. |
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Thanks Stephen. We will probably need to add 3% if paying by credit card. That plus post wouls make it about 667 Euros.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by David Dewar
<br />Thanks Stephen. We will probably need to add 3% if paying by credit card. That plus post wouls make it about 667 Euros.
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<br />Hi Henk
A Voltage drop when the load increases is as you say yourself what one might expect – unless the power supply is stabilized. But the Voltage drop you have measured is beyond what I can measure under similar load conditions on my CS – what transformer are you using?
Regards Chris
Transformer is 60052 230 V 60 VA. It's connected with the cables that came with the CS. The trafo is not connected to anything else. Maybe thicker cables would help a little. Back to the topic: we came to this argument because I think the CS (1) under full load does 16 V and 3 A (2,8 on the track and 0,2 on the programtrack, if used), not 20 V and 2,4 A. If the CS II would have a stabilised power supply and keep the 20 V also under full power, it would be nice (operation is better at 20 V than at 16 V) and then it would need only 2,4 A. Otherwise it will not get beyond some 38 VA (2,4*16)to track instead of the 45 VA (2,8*16) of the CS (1). Let's wait for more information. Regards, Henk. |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain
<br />Lokshop price on CS2 for 629,95 Euros.
That's about 2 really nice locos... It better be worth it.. You can get a good laptop computer to control your layout for that kind of money, software included... |
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No bad idea ...  |
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Problem Juhan is we can get a lot of good stuff for that type of cash. As you say a laptop with some top software which is way beyond a model railway controller.
Where we fall down is that we like Marklin and model rail which means I for one will be buying the new CS. You can buy a DVD player for the cost of a few plastic coaches. The toy business has very high profit margins for manufacturers and retailers due to low turnover but at the end of the day we pay because it is our hobby and in my view the best indoor hobby that there is.
I expect Santa will be bringing me my new CS2 the difficult bit is hiding the credit card statement.
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Buy your CS2 from Mike, his price is USD 670!!
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Hi David I would love to buy from Mike but tax and the collection of tax adds 25% to the price plus the $ is now stronger against the £.
Mike has a great website and good prices and I hope my USA friends are supporting him when possible.
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King Flash, you should move to NZ. Here, the NZD has strengthend against the USD, after falling for some time. Most likely we would get slugged 12.5% GST (VAT) on something over $400 coming into the country, but this is not always the case. So, assuming USD30 postage, the CS2 would cost around NZD1020 plus a possible 12.5% making a total of around $1150. The CS1 retailed here for anything between $1100 to $1400.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Hemmerich<br /> Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain
<br />The price is between €700 and €1,000 for the CS2 - Source Stummi forum. Just another speculation. Mr. Gaugele was simply misinterpreted (maybe on purpose [:(!]). Steventrain, as usual, was bang on accurate with his information. The RRP for the CS2 is at the bottom end of this range, i.e. 700 euro, but Stephen's information he posted here was essentially correct. Well done! So much for Lutz tagging this as 'speculation'.
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699 Euro is not between 700 and 1000 Euro Only joking.[:p] rgds Stephan
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Actually Stephan, it's 699.95, rounded up that makes 700! But, of course you are right!
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Add on delivery and its over 700 euros. !!!
I expect the price from Gaugemaster here in the UK will be the equivalent of around 1000 euros which is their price for the Commander.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by David Dewar
<br />I expect the price from Gaugemaster here in the UK will be the
equivalent of around 1000 euros which is their price for the Commander Right, Sire. Or (Big Juhan mentioned it, earlier) two brand new ACER notebooks Roro got one for €499 at GEANT's Paris shop, yesterday (visiting her family ) |
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Prices is US are pretty good. Averaging U$669.
So maybe you need to spend your euros at US $.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Hemmerich<br /> Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz
some of the Swiss dealers are expecting to be selling the CS2 in October. Well, well... Meaning...........???? CS2 availability in early October has been confirmed by Märklin - did anyone notice the scrolling text at the end Märklin's CS2 dealer presentation video on the Märklin site?
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Frostie
<br />Prices is US are pretty good. Averaging U$669.
So maybe you need to spend your euros at US $.
Frostie, makes sense from this part of the world!
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I guess if you can afford it and you want to buy a new controller, the CS2 seems the only option. |
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I am still wavering between waiting for the CS2 and getting an ECoS for my Grandson. Still waiting (now for the CS2 to get some field experience) |
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The CS2 Dimensions 320mm x 190mm x 80mm. |
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I´ve been thinking about moving to a CS, but...
1 - Not at that price (better 2 locs, or a new PC Quad 9300)
2 - Not with an undefined future for MSystems (will it be on use in the next 5 years, or will it be obsolete by the means of a fe. new protocol?)
3 - Do I really need it? Of course it´s two steps ahead the CU (not to point here the advantages), but it´s still incomplete (boosters), and I can manage all my stuff with the reliable 6021.
After all, I can still live with my 6021.
PS. The actual CS is still quite expensive, not having a colour screen, or a wireless connection to the track... |
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Any news of future new design Mobile station? |
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Well I did something I thought I never would do. Only a few days ago I sent Bigdaddynz an email saying I would wait a long while before I bought the new CS.
In the mean time, I got an insider offer for the new 39013 01 loco for $679.
I thought, Euromodeltrains has a pre order for the CS2 for $669.
It's ordered (CS2) - I guess I will be one of the people to suffer through debugging this time. I will certainly keep one of my 6021s for backup. I am excited about the new one where as the first one did not get me moving.
We will see.
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And I didn't reply to the said email..........oops [:I][:I]
As for the CS2, well I'm gonna let the dust settle. I have a CS1 which I think is a very good controller.
I may look at a CS2 later when some of the additional components have been delivered - 60173 booster, the 60212 connect box, etc.
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Hi Eric We look forward to your report on your new CS2.
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