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All I can say is, typical of Marklin upholding a company tradition of quality, and functionality.
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Is this mean the current Central Station is obsolete by next year? |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by TimR
<br />Is this mean the current Central Station is obsolete by next year?
Yes that's for sure! Although what will be the improvements? Except no longer ESU(ECoS) based... |
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I feel much better now,so i´m thinking about to start an small step again inside of trainhobby. Perhaps this time with Marklin,if Marklins new CS II will become in truth... Goofy  |
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Nothing there that we haven't already got, apart from the colour screen. And the dial gauges look very Ecos like!
My biggest question is 'Why'??
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You mean,it´s only an presentation-fantasy...? Goofy  |
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I think i´m understanding now...
It has to do about the latest digitalmarket,which Marklin are seeing and watching how other digitalproducts are getting better and better...
So marklin did decides by taking up an fighting back,by changed the style of CS to CST2.
Just to satisfaction customer and by not loosing them too...!
Keep ahead Marklin...!
Still very strange by not doing like this before,when they did upgrade CS...
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Goofy<br />You mean,it´s only an presentation-fantasy...? Goofy Probably... who to tell right now. The answer will probably follow in the next coming months. Here(in this case) the picture does not tell what 1000 words can say. Which benifits does this system have over the previous CS in terms of design? Unless it could be connected to an external screen like the Viessmann Commander. Frank |
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What about Trix CS...? Is that´s way Trix CS has not been arrived outside yet...? Marklin/Trix did decides by waiting,just to changed the style of CS to CST2...? Still same function like in the old CS upgrade...? Or perhaps more news inside of CST2...? Well,we have to wait and see after... Goofy |
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Posted by David: Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:My biggest question is 'Why'?? In the world of electronics, many devices are discontinued or are changed by the manufacturer, due to the unavailability of components. It may be only one small (but significant) part that Marklin can no longer source, that gives impetus to upgrades or changes. regards Kimball |
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Design looks nice. Having not bothered to upgarde my CS I may well buy one of these with a start set once they have been bought by others and the quality has been confirmed.
Do we know who is the manufacturer.
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I appreciate that Kimball, but I still have to ask 'Why'? I'm not so sure that the market is demanding a CST2. The market wants Marklin to make available the existing CS in good quantities, and fix the on going issues with decoders / motors.
The only driver for a new CS is that maybe Marklin no longer has rights to the technology, and needs to break free from the ESU relationship. Trouble is, it forces everyone into a new cycle of upgrades and shelling out money for stuff most people probably don't need. Especially given the current world economic situation.
I realise that Marklin introduced MM v1 in 1985, and MM v2 was produced 5 or 6 years later. So introducing a CST2 5 or 6 years after the original CS parallels that of the Marklin Motorola system.
I still can't get away from the thought of 'Why do we need this?'
However, as David says, the starter set method would be the way to go, once the dust settles.
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Hi Dave,
You are quite right... Why? The customers are not the demanding party, at least not all of them. A lot of people are still happy with their M6051. When all your needs are forfilled by this "older" system why should you buy a new one. Luckly we are still free to decide ourselves here over as long as compatibility is assured.
But of course the ? is how can M differentiate from others with their CS if it has the same core/root as the ECoS from ESU...
Technology can not stand still but...
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A very nice looking package, but that is important now a days.
A color screen looks very lovely at all.
I guess this will be one of the items for next year being 150 years old. That might have something to do with it.
But I am happy with current version of CS,so I may not be in s big hurry to purchase. |
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Interesting, but lets see how it performs? |
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I am only guessing.
Like I said earlier, there may be no other reason for introducing it, other than the unavailability of certain part or parts for the existing CS. The new CS2 may simply be a result of that. It may for example, be the unavailability of the mono-screen. Perhpas nobody makes them anymore.
In my industry, that happens. A perfectly good product is discontinued, for no understandable reason to us consumers.
In the steam locomotive era, Norfolk and Western (USA) discontinued building their steam locomotives, partly because no company wanted to build specialist ancillary items anymore, such as feed-water heaters, injectors, stokers, dynamos etc.
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Hello,
I still can't get away from the thought of 'Why do we need this?'
with the new CS Märklin probably interrupts the cooperation with ESU.
I think this is the main goal for Märklin
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Hello,
Last week, visiting my train dealer, I heard the Marklin sells man speaking about a new CS AND an UPDATE for the "old" one coming next fall. Are both CS going to perform the same way? As the "old" CS is constructed, I think that it is possible by means of a software update. Or is the new CS going to have more features (beside the obvious ones, i.e. color screen, new design...)? This is the important question for me. I will be very disapointed if Marklin does not give to the CS recent buyers (mine has 6 months) the same functionalities, speacially if it can easly be done by means of a software update.
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Yes, I have heard three weeks ago about the CS2, I think screen in colour. |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz
<br />My biggest question is 'Why'??
Hey, Why not? Micro$oft have been selling us NT for how many years now? Seriously, first impression I got is that it looks more robust, and much nicer than the CS. But after all, I'd like DCC support more than anything else, so it looks like ECoS would still remain #1 in my wishlist. Cem. |
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Hurry! Hurry! Rush now to your Marklin Dealer and pr-order!!!!!! They will go fast!!!!
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If you look at this link http://de.red-dot.org/rd/img/pdf/2008-07-2130-c.jpg you can clearly read what is on the display. CS2 seems to have a 'layout' tab on the top. AFAIK there is only one central now which has an onboard layout, so I think CS2 will be Viessmann Commander based. Maybe a Commander owner can comment on the similarities? As an Ecos owner I would be disappointed if CS is no longer ESU based. New MS' will not work anymore probably. Locos will not have ESU decoders anymore and potentially give problems, ... But it is not here yet. If delivery takes as long as the previous one, we still have more than a year to rant about this one. Bert
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Hi: Who actually makes (or will make) this box? Also, will it really offer any extra capabilities, or look nicer and have a color touch screen. I would like to point out that the original IB has the same functionality of the CS save two things: MFX/extra functions and shuttle trains. It seems to me that very little unique functionality is being added to any of these, only the interface is being improved. If you use your "box" as a way to plug in a computer, there are even fewer functional differences!!
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Yes Bert, hopefully compatibility does not become an issue...
I also think it should go the way the Viessmann Commander is designed to work.
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Marklin has full rights by changed style of components,such like CS to an better functional way.
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It's a designer award winning item. who to tell if it will ever be produced? |
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speculation: perhaps the new one supports DCC ?
At least the control knobs do nor have a dot on them suggesting that it probably does not have motorized knobs which have to be the most stupid 'feature' ever invented. |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by DaleSchultz
<br />speculation: perhaps the new one supports DCC ?
DCC would be superb! Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by DaleSchultz
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<br />Hurry! Hurry! Rush now to your Marklin Dealer and pr-order!!!!!! They will go fast!!!!
Dealer don't have information yet, Will have to wait for Cat.no number and detail Fall new items 2008 next month. |
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<br />It's a designer award winning item. who to tell if it will ever be produced?
Don´t forget that Marklin did perhaps contact this designscompany by presentation the new CS into next step in style of shape. Goofy |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Hemmerich<br />Way too many "wild" speculations here (as usual).  We are trying to get you to confirm some of it Lutz  . As usual it seems you know more of this as us mere mortal beings.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by tekin65Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by DaleSchultz
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... ditto! [xx(] Cem. I actually like them [:I].
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Seems like a rather nice fresh look. What would be interesting to know is what the back side looks like for connections. We could only assume that Märklin would do its best to maintain backwards compatibility to previously released digital products. Since I have one of virtually every digital product already released I will most likely buy this new one also just to say I have one. I wonder if this seller on Ebay is in a rush to sell what appears to be a non updated CS station before this one possibly makes it to market. http://cgi.ebay.ca/Markl...sidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247
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Would be nice if they have broken with ESU and we can look forward to MS that works and a CS that is available all year round. Another manufacturers decoder would also help with reliabilty problems as well. However I would not be surprised if it is still ESU made and if so will be very slow to buy one until the bugs are sorted.
If I was buying ESU then it would be an ECOS which they will no doubt ensure works better than the CS.
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Hello, Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:dikken says:
It's a designer award winning item. who to tell if it will ever be produced? Yes, who can say that this image is not a simple computer generated prototype? Until we have news from Märklin, this is only a award winning design. (Not very reliable, the Stop buttom is a huge thing!) [}:)] Best regards, Gerardo Rivero, San Fernando, Cádiz, Spain.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
<br />Way too many "wild" speculations here (as usual). And you had no idea at all. As usually Had I followed your great "advice" [xx(] in the past and bought the CS - I were left with another stone-old dustcatcher, now ... Charles is the man who's into Marklin news. Congratulations, Sir Well, seems M can't make up their minds [xx(] what's the right digital controller ... And as long as they're lost in space I'll stay with my trusty CU6021  [^] |
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It sure would be nice if SOMEONE who seems to be in the know about all things Maerklin would provide some useful information on this issue rather than complain about wild speculation.
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Finally a designer who has understood that the emergency stop is the most important button also in non-industrial control equipment for electromechanical machines & devices that have a possibility to fail regarding the intended operation scenario... |
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The first thing that comes to my mind seeing this mock-up model is that it looks inspired by the new FIAT 500, developed to look like the old one from the '50's. The specs are, on the other hand, similar to the 'old' CS (which is not the case for the new FIAT 500).
It seems like what we see in other consumer electronics: a more or less similar apparatus with new looks, brought to us as new: "while functions such as sound, lighting, switching tracks and setting signals can be controlled with the unit, down to the steam of a locomotive". If you've got bad luck, the new development has even less features than the old (I read e.g. nothing about monitoring power-output and temperature).
So, I'm going to wait and see.
After all I'm happy M* is doing this, it is a sign of wanting to stay alive.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by grr_1954<br />Hello, Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:dikken says:
It's a designer award winning item. who to tell if it will ever be produced? Yes, who can say that this image is not a simple computer generated prototype? Until we have news from Märklin, this is only a award winning design. (Not very reliable, the Stop buttom is a huge thing!) [}:)] Best regards, Gerardo Rivero, San Fernando, Cádiz, Spain. I don´t think you have right here...! Because,there is 5 things we must keep in remaind: 1.It cost money by created this product. 2.Designercompany must have an license,by created and using Marklins CS by expanding it.You can´t do that without an license. 3.It´s real prototyp CST2 in fully function,not computer generated prototyp...! 4.Marklin did(?)contact designercompany by created an new CS prototyp. 5.This designercompany must leaving the CS to Marklin,if not less Marklin and designercompany did make an decides by only presentation CST2 as an show-prototyp...? Perhaps i have wrong... Goofy [:I] |
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Just wonding about wireless mobile station to CS2. |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mascagni
<br />Hi: Who actually makes (or will make) this box? Also, will it really offer any extra capabilities, or look nicer and have a color touch screen. I would like to point out that the original IB has the same functionality of the CS save two things: MFX/extra functions and shuttle trains. It seems to me that very little unique functionality is being added to any of these, only the interface is being improved. If you use your "box" as a way to plug in a computer, there are even fewer functional differences!!
Feel free to tell me that I have have my head up my a** or that I'm right on or whatever.--MM
This is why I said I can't get away from the thought of 'Why do we need this?'
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Hi David Its probably Marklin that need it. The current CS has had so much written about it re updates and sets being lost and then not available this year that something newer that really works well will help M considerably. Will also generate sales for those who must have the latest thing.
Ron Quite right to wait and see what is best for you. I am still happy with my CS
but i doubt it would compare with your present set up whereas perhaps the newer set will.
Good thread by Charles that keeps us all talking and interested.
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Technology does not stand still. If it did we would still be using Windows 3.1 on our PC's.
I've heard many of you complain that the CS should have a colour screen - well, here it is!
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Good looking design. I like the dashboard view. And a color screen would be an improvement.
Now I just hope (1) that it comes to market really soon now, and (2) that M will replace my bad CS with one of those [^]
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Cooperation with Viessmann is quite likely, given that the Marklin Systems Signals and the newer catenary system are all produced for M by Viessmann in any case. So there is already a working relationship.
But, do Viessmann produce Loco Decoder chips and Sound Decoders? I have not seen any. When outsourcing it is usually a huge mistake to involve more than one sub-contractor, I can hear it now 'No Marklin, the problem is not with our loco decoders, it is the CS2'....'No Marklin, the problem is not with our CS2, it is with the Loco Decoders'.
At least at the moment the MFX buck stops with ESU.....
Quite fancy a colour screen though!
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I expect more news on this today. Check out the Dutch site ( http://www.marklin.nl). It shows a colorful question mark and the text Expected, more news tomorrow (dated august 4). René - hopes it does dcc - |
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I know that many of you would like to see this CS do DCC, but do you honestly expect Marklin to do this? I don't think so.
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