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Offline BigJeffyLawd  
#1 Posted : 05 December 2012 17:01:47(UTC)
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I was wondering is it possible to convert 2 rail to 3 rail or should I just put in an extra line for 2 rail locomotives. I am wondering this because I would like one of these Rivarossi but they are 2 rail. Any help. Can I use c track and connect a DC controller to it and then run DC locos there, thanks :)
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Offline kbvrod  
#2 Posted : 05 December 2012 17:08:47(UTC)
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Hi all,
Jeff,short answer-yes. Your problem would be mounting a slider(s) on this set.Not impossible.


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#3 Posted : 05 December 2012 18:07:03(UTC)
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Maybe Rivarossi make (or will make) a 3R version of the set.
If not, either modify the train (as our good Dr recommended) or modify Märklin tracks for 2R operation (easy with C and K track except for some turnouts).

Or feed the DC train from catenary (but don't buy DC diesel or steam locos if you go this way (will also work with DC street cars)).
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#4 Posted : 05 December 2012 21:04:51(UTC)
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Maybe Rivarossi make (or will make) a 3R version of the set.
If not, either modify the train (as our good Dr recommended) or modify Märklin tracks for 2R operation (easy with C and K track except for some turnouts).

Or feed the DC train from catenary (but don't buy DC diesel or steam locos if you go this way (will also work with DC street cars)).


Hi all,
Good post,as usual Tom!ThumpUp
Yes,Rivarossi may make this in a 3 rail version,or you can run it as Tom suggests.

Dr D
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#5 Posted : 06 December 2012 17:01:18(UTC)
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Thanks guys, could I have a two lane layout, one with marklin and then one with two rail DC. Is it easy to convert marklin c track to be DC. thanks BigGrin
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#6 Posted : 06 December 2012 17:30:19(UTC)
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Thanks guys, could I have a two lane layout, one with marklin and then one with two rail DC. Is it easy to convert marklin c track to be DC. thanks BigGrin



Hi Jeff,all,
Yes,I think with C you have to isolate the running rails from each other.(?)

Dr D
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Offline BigJeffyLawd  
#7 Posted : 06 December 2012 19:21:13(UTC)
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Thanks, I may buy some European DC track and then have a one marklin track and one DC track, what do you think
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#8 Posted : 06 December 2012 19:27:24(UTC)
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Thanks, I may buy some European DC track and then have a one marklin track and one DC track, what do you think


Hi Jeff,all,
Sure!BigGrin leaning toward any brand?

Dr D
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Offline BigJeffyLawd  
#9 Posted : 09 December 2012 00:45:15(UTC)
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Hi Jeff,all,
Sure!BigGrin leaning toward any brand?

Not really, there just seems to be lots more brands but I think I will keep it all 3 rail and start off on an 8 x 4 layout and then move up. It seems easy enough to get AC versions of locos though as I already fancy some. I have acually been on more German Trains than Northern Irish Trains! BigGrin
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#10 Posted : 09 December 2012 08:22:50(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: BigJeffyLawd Go to Quoted Post
I was wondering is it possible to convert 2 rail to 3 rail or should I just put in an extra line for 2 rail locomotives. I am wondering this because I would like one of these ... but they are 2 rail. Any help. Can I use c track and connect a DC controller to it and then run DC locos there, thanks :)


Hi,
I figure it is probably the unit with pantograph that is powered.
Right?
It is possible in 99.9% of the cases to mount a pick up shoe either directly under the powered unit or under the adjacent trailer coach.
You also need to rewire the wheels' pick ups to make it a real 3-rail vehicle, then add a decoder (if you run in digital)
Additionally one needs to adjust the inner flange spacing of all axles to 13.8 mm to fit Märklin rails.
Then to finish it up, run a pair of wires+ connectors though the trailers to power head- and taillights
Not hard (done it literally hundred of times) , but it always takes time and a little experience for good professional looking results.
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Jacques Vuye aka Dr.Eisenbahn
Once a vandal, learned to be better and had great success!
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#11 Posted : 09 December 2012 09:27:07(UTC)
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Additionally one needs to adjust the inner flange spacing of all axles to 13.8 mm to fit Märklin rails.
Usually this is not required on C track or K track.
I'd leave the wheels as they are as long as there are no problems with derailing.

Regards
Tom
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#12 Posted : 09 December 2012 09:44:07(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jvuye Go to Quoted Post
Additionally one needs to adjust the inner flange spacing of all axles to 13.8 mm to fit Märklin rails.
Usually this is not required on C track or K track.
I'd leave the wheels as they are as long as there are no problems with derailing.



Anyone is entitled to his own opinion....BigGrin
"Opinion" in this case formed statistically on historical ratio between *pass* and *fail* Wink

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Jacques Vuye aka Dr.Eisenbahn
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Offline BigJeffyLawd  
#13 Posted : 09 December 2012 19:51:59(UTC)
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They make it in AC which is handy :) but there is some other stuff which I fancy and will buy in time probably.
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