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Chris Vella		#1 Posted : 17 October 2003 11:49:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/06/2003(UTC) Posts: 275 Location: Malta		Hi All, I am thinking of fitting coach lighting to all of my coaches, but I do not want to have a pick-up shoe on every coach, nor use c/c couplers. I do not want perminant coupled coaches. Is this possible? and if so any suggestions? is this possible with Marklin close couplers? Cheers Chris
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tayloma		#2 Posted : 17 October 2003 12:37:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 156 Location: Boksburg East, Gauteng		Hi Chris This is possible. You install one pickup per rake of coaches and then couple them using current conducting couplers. They are available from Marklin and other manufacturers. The current conducting couplers from Marklin are in the form of drawbars so your coaches are permanently coupled. Mark
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tnx jake		#4 Posted : 17 October 2003 17:44:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/11/2002(UTC) Posts: 388 Location: ,		Hi Chris, I have about 100 lighted coaches and I gave up on the Marklin current conducting couplers. I use the Roco couplers. They are similar to the cc couplers that Marklin is using in some of their train sets. The couple and uncouple easily and have four small conductors which gives you a great number of wiring possibilites. The only way that I know of to use Marklin close couplers is to run a small wire between the cars with a mini-plug. Hard to work with and not very good looking. Jack
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Chris Vella		#5 Posted : 18 October 2003 11:17:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/06/2003(UTC) Posts: 275 Location: Malta		Hi All, Thank you all for your suggestians but I am looking for a way without current conducting couplers ( especialy from Marklin ) I want to avoid handeling the coaches and uncouple them with uncoupling track So I am wondering if this is possible (maybe have a small solder joint on the closs coupler ) Regards Chris
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tnx jake		#6 Posted : 18 October 2003 12:31:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/11/2002(UTC) Posts: 388 Location: ,		Chris, I experimented with that idea. Soldering to a close coupler was not possible. Maybe due to the type of material. Also when the train is moving, I surmised that the contact would not be secure and the lights would flicker. I would like to hear about any success you have or anyone else has had in doing this. It would be a great break through. Regards, Jack
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Chris Vella		#7 Posted : 19 October 2003 09:54:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/06/2003(UTC) Posts: 275 Location: Malta		Hi Jack, I agree with you that it would be a break through. I guess one advantage to the two rail system. If you take a look at this years catalogue 2002/2003 on page 126 item 26507 Commuter service/train description says special current conducting couplers that can be turned on and off, the picture of the train/coaches is with closs couplers. Is this a mistake? or do Marklin have a coupler that is not yet on the market. Regards Chris
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jeehring		#8 Posted : 19 October 2003 15:12:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		about item 26507 : no it's not a mistake.....That king of couplers are very nice and efficient....But can't be uncoupled with decoupling track like ref 24997 F.E.....Rocco couplers are too big and can't be disengaged with a decoupling track..There are other and finest solutions ....don't you know the Viessmann couplers ? Or the RTS coupler ? Is there a topic about Viesmann couplers , in this forum ? I'll propose you a new topic about the RTS couplers ( Viessmann couplers are very well known....)later , I'm in a hurry ..... bye
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tnx jake		#9 Posted : 19 October 2003 18:57:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/11/2002(UTC) Posts: 388 Location: ,		Chris, The couplers on the 26507 are the type I was referring to. Marklin does not offer them as a part to be purchased. The Roco current conducting couplers are similar. I don't think they are any bigger than the Markin ones. The advantage is that they have four conductors. I have used them to put a decoder in a car and I can turn the lights on each car on and off individually. This does not solve your quest for a cc coupler that can be uncoupled. I am not fimiliar with the Viessmann couplers. I will check them out when I go to the Nuremberg Toy Fair in February. Jack
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jeehring		#10 Posted : 19 October 2003 20:48:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		that was also with the point of view " decoupling".....For me it's very important to uncouple conductive couplers with decoupling track . Only " Viesmann " and " RTS " couplers are allowing the use of " decoupling track ".... With Marklin conducting shaft ref 7319 we can also illuminate our trains with only one slider for the whole train .... bye
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jeehring		#11 Posted : 19 October 2003 21:37:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		As I'm new on the forum , I thought a topic on Viessmann conductive couplers was already treated......Two kinds of Viesmann couplers : one pole & two poles ( respectively delivered with one or two cables )...They are similar to Fleischmann couplers and can be " plug "( is that word correct in english ? ) into the NEM box ...They work so well ! At a distance they can be automatically engaged and disengaged with decoupling track.....For us , as Marklin users , the only snag is that they can't be coupled with normal Marklin Short couplers.... This is not the case with RTS couplers that can be easily coupled with Marklin short couplers.......It is the reason why ,for my part , I made my choice with RTS couplers .
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Chris Vella		#12 Posted : 20 October 2003 10:29:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/06/2003(UTC) Posts: 275 Location: Malta		Hi All, I am not familier with the Viessmann couplers I will have a look at my catalogue or the RTS couplers and did I understand correctly that the Viessmann can be uncoupled with uncoupler track. That would be great as I like to change train consists I will soon be traveling to Frankfurt so I must know what I am going for Thanks again Chris
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jcegido		#13 Posted : 20 October 2003 13:20:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 335 Location: Madrid, Madrid		Hi all, Can anyone of you suggest a place to buy RTS couplers (on line) in Europe? I´ve tried some of these and they work quite fine, but they are hard to get in Spain. Maybe any of your german suppliers have them....The only warning about RTS couplers I can make is that you have to be careful when you plug them in the NEM socket, there´s a little risk of bending the fine copper conducting tonge. Just another thing, I´m waiting for some one and two pole conducting couplers from Tams Elektronik, they look fine and you can buy them straight from Factory. When I should be able to try them, I´ll tell you the results. By the way, where can I see the Viessmann couplers, I can´t find them in their web-site. Regards,
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jeehring		#14 Posted : 20 October 2003 20:10:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Hi CHRIS , jcedigo , everybody , with my rudimentary knowledge of English language , I have tried to give some explanations in topic "lighting coaches with RTS couplers ..." in "HO Scale " section... The warning about RTS also concerns Marklin drawbars I think .... We have to be careful too..... About RTS production : they are still at a cottage industry stage , untill now you can't even meet them at Nuremberg toy fair ...I buy these couplers here in Bordeaux...at a Marklin shop . These couplers are much cheaper than Viessmann couplers . If you have any difficulties to find RTS couplers , let me know by E-mail but it will be in France ...( well.....in some places - except Paris - we start to have similar prices here and Germany , when I compare with Muller Versand for example . Specially for Brands like Marklin .That was not true only two or three years ago....Thanks to our good fairy " EURO " I suppose ?) What do THAM's couplers look like ? Fleischmann type or Marklin short coupler type ? You can see Viessmann couplers on catalogue 2003 / 2004 , page 75 of the German/French edition ( unfortunately , I have no scann...) Both Viessmann and RTS can be uncoupled with an uncoupler track . BYE BYE
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McLae		#15 Posted : 20 October 2003 22:10:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,575 Location: DeSoto (Dallas area), TX		Does RTS have a web site?
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Webmaster		#16 Posted : 20 October 2003 23:33:51(UTC) Retweet
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xxup		#17 Posted : 20 October 2003 23:57:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,473 Location: Australia		Babel fish can help.. See http://babel.altavista.com/ Copy the link from Juhan's message and paste it into the "Translate a Web page" field. Adrian
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jcegido		#18 Posted : 21 October 2003 00:52:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 335 Location: Madrid, Madrid		Hi all, Roland says Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:The warning about RTS also concerns Marklin drawbars I think .... We have to be careful too..... I agree. You can see Tams couplers in http://www.tams-online.de/ I think you´ll find out they are more or less like Viessmann´s. About "my" RTS, I´ll contact you by email. Best regards
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jcegido		#19 Posted : 21 October 2003 01:06:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 335 Location: Madrid, Madrid		Hi once more, A more concrete address to Tams couplers should be this one: http://www.tams-online.de/produkte/sk.htm Cheers
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Chris Vella		#20 Posted : 21 October 2003 10:15:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/06/2003(UTC) Posts: 275 Location: Malta		Hi all, Looked up Viessmann couplers in current catalogue Art No 5048, and also visited sites that you guys submitted for RTS couplers Art No 6515, and I thank you for that although my German is very poor. From what I have seen both seem to do the job, In your opinions which of the two are more reliable as far as contact is concerned. Many many Thanks Chris
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jeehring		#21 Posted : 21 October 2003 17:28:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Hi Chris , all , is there an RTS website ?.... I think this German craft-industry is producing other stuff.....
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jcegido		#22 Posted : 21 October 2003 18:44:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 335 Location: Madrid, Madrid		I´m afraid there´s not a site of RTS.
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Chris Vella		#23 Posted : 04 November 2003 08:39:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/06/2003(UTC) Posts: 275 Location: Malta		Hi All, I have just fitted 7329 lighting set to DB coaches rebuilds four axle (still waiting for Viessmann c/c couplers)my questian is that I have noticed that coach roof becomes quite warm is there any danger of plastic melting or warping because of this heat. Cheers Chris
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Chris Vella		#24 Posted : 04 November 2003 08:48:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/06/2003(UTC) Posts: 275 Location: Malta		Hi again, Sorry for lack of information I am using Digital so lighting is consistantly on also thinking of fitting decoder 60960 to turn lights off/on. Chris
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xxup		#25 Posted : 04 November 2003 10:03:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,473 Location: Australia		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:thinking of fitting decoder 60960 to turn lights off/on Have a chat with Noel Logannathan... He's working on installing the decoder into wagons he has.. Its in the digital forum at https://www.marklin-users.net/fo...fault.aspx?g=posts&t=884 Adrian
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Chris Vella		#26 Posted : 05 November 2003 08:32:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/06/2003(UTC) Posts: 275 Location: Malta		Hi Adrian, Thanks for the information on Noel's thread I will look into it when enough information is there. My questian was if the heat emmitted by the bulbs will damage the coach in any way as the coach roof becomes very warm. many thanks Chris
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Noel Loganathan		#27 Posted : 05 November 2003 09:36:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 297 Location: Brisbane, QLD		Hi Chris We are aware that not only the heat that is of concern, there are the amount of light emitted and the amps consumed. Chris and I are looking into using LEDs together with a resistor. The LED we intend to use is 3mm clear white and the resistor 0.5w mtl 68 N (local codes) Will let the forum know WHEN this is done. It has been a long wait and I reckon we have to wait a lot longer. That is the name of the game - Patience! Cheers to all Noel
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Chris Vella		#28 Posted : 06 November 2003 09:13:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/06/2003(UTC) Posts: 275 Location: Malta		Hi Noel, So it is your consern too that the heat might warp the coaches. Your idea of useing LED's sounds good for both consumption and brightness. Please let me know when you have come up with a solution to the problem and look forward to hearing from you. Thanks Chris
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daveblackburn		#29 Posted : 10 November 2003 21:49:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 19 Location: Minneapolis, MN		Why not run the LEDs off a battery? That completely removes the need for a pick-up shoe (and thus doesn't interfere with logic of contact tracks and signals...), if you want a switch you can mount it underneath or poke a stick through an open window... Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Chris Vella <br /> So it is your consern too that the heat might warp the coaches. Your idea of useing LED's sounds good for both consumption and brightness. Please let me know when you have come up with a solution to the problem and look forward to hearing from you. Thanks Chris
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jeehring		#30 Posted : 10 November 2003 23:31:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		HI Daveblackburn , all , it's a good idea with leds....and it works . Very easy to make a switch with micro- plugs bar.....Hope I found this website where it is shown.... OK for a caboose or single coach , but is it possible for 8 coaches with ten leds each or must we do it in each coach ? ( may be every two coaches ? ) bye
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Noel Loganathan		#31 Posted : 10 November 2003 23:48:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 297 Location: Brisbane, QLD		Hi Chris et al Still working on it mate - installation of LEDs and resistors. We have installed a decoder (60961/c96-1) in the dining car (space is prime) and installed the default lighting kit minus the lights and loghts well. The resistor limits amps to the LED. we have installed two LEDs in the dining car. The next BIG test is to connect to the next car using the CCCs. By using the LEDs theer is enough amps to light a set of 4 cars. Note that the decoders output is 1 amp. LEDs allow for this. Will keep you guys posted, albeit in time. Cheers from Brisbane Noel
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Chris Vella		#32 Posted : 11 November 2003 11:51:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/06/2003(UTC) Posts: 275 Location: Malta		Hi Noel, all What will be the total consuption (amps) with all four coaches and will the decoder 60961 handle it. I intend to use decoder 60960 could you tell me what the main differance is between the two decoders? Cheers Chris
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rschaffr		#33 Posted : 13 November 2003 05:50:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		Hi, all. I am a bit away in my project from being concerned about coach lighting, but for planning purposes, is there a reliable method of converting older (1970-80) coaches (such as the 409x TEE coaches) to NEM couplers so i can use the great selection you have been discussing on my older but still loved coaches? -Ron
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Chris Vella		#34 Posted : 13 November 2003 08:43:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/06/2003(UTC) Posts: 275 Location: Malta		Hi Ron, all On the older type coaches the coupler is attached directly to the bogie of the coach and you can fit close couplers 7205 to them, but to have a NEM pocket that will take major surgery to the coach. So I don't think you can have C/C couplers on those type of coaches. Regards Chris
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Noel Loganathan		#35 Posted : 13 November 2003 12:37:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 297 Location: Brisbane, QLD		Hi Chris et al With the 60960 one can have up to 4 additional functions. The 60961 has one additional function only, although going through this decoder it has 4 funtions too. The c96-1 can handle up to 1 amp. The LEDs consume around 5 milli amps. So for 4 coaches with 2 LEDs each, one can have excess capacity, should one wants to extend. Cheers from a windy Brisbane. noel
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rschaffr		#36 Posted : 13 November 2003 15:07:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		Chris: Thanks for the info. I'll look into the 7205 option since close coupling looks so much better. I am also interested in getting current through the couplers. Any solutions for these older coaches there? -Ron
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