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Offline franciscohg  
#1 Posted : 17 November 2003 16:06:36(UTC)
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Hi, a friend gave to me a roco dc loco, now i have all the mechanical ready (pickup shoe etc..) and now i have get a delta module and the transistors, but i have a doubt, when doing the H bridge using the gray and yellow for the lights, where do i have to connect for lamps?
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Between the module and the 4,7 resistors, or between the resistors or between the 2,2 and the ground?
Another question, i'm using a 66031 instead of 6603, should i use the ground for lights or the orange DC suplly of the 66031
Thank you for your help.
Francisco
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Offline Peter Funck  
#2 Posted : 17 November 2003 20:09:36(UTC)
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Hi Francisco, all,

As you have a locomotive with a DC motor, I would recommend to install a digital decoder instead, like the Märklin 60902 or alternatives e.g. from Uhlenbrock. This would provide superior performance compared to installing a delta unit.

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Offline franciscohg  
#3 Posted : 17 November 2003 20:58:49(UTC)
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Peter:
that's a good idea, but right know i have available a delta unit, also a Profilok PD-101 but i have the same problem, when i have finished to convert all my marklin locos, perhaps i will buy a digital for the roco one.
Thanks
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Offline Webmaster  
#4 Posted : 18 November 2003 01:03:24(UTC)
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The schedule published is a direct rip-off from one of Rutger Fribergs books, and it is also published at http://www.marklin.com/t...ital1/images/6603-DC.jpg . It is some kind of "cheap" solution to make the Delta 6603 to work with DC-motors. I have not made this conversion myself, and I also wonder how lights are supposed to be connected.

I would rather see that you follow Peter's suggestion and get a proper Digital decoder like the ESU LokPilot or such instead for a Roco loco. I think it is better to wait until you get a "real decoder" than to spend time digitizing it just because you have a Delta at hand... This is of course my own personal opinion...wink
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Offline franciscohg  
#5 Posted : 18 November 2003 01:14:36(UTC)
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Yes, you are right, but digital are expensive!!. On the other hand to spend time with one or another processor is not that terrible, only a little time soldering wires, since the really hard part (installing the pickup shoe and make room inside the loco) it's already done, i think i will make some experimentation with the lights wiring...biggrin when the other components of the circuit arrive, and i will let you know thw results. Bye
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Offline Lars Westerlind  
#6 Posted : 18 November 2003 08:11:15(UTC)
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I can only support Peter and Juhan. The scheme above made some sense when it was produced, as at that time the Lokpilot didn't exist. Now that it does, at equal pricing and with far superior behaviour, it doesn't any more. You might use the delta with a Märklin-motor, or for car lights or whatever.


Kind regards,
Lars
Offline Peter Funck  
#7 Posted : 18 November 2003 18:05:32(UTC)
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Hi again Francisco,

Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by franciscohg
<br />I hope all of you can visit my layout in Western Patagonia


No we can't, it seems as if the link to your homepage is broken...

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Offline franciscohg  
#8 Posted : 18 November 2003 20:54:19(UTC)
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Peter:
Yes, this link is broken long ago and i have not fixed yet due to a problem wit the server.
But the signature was not about a virtual visit, it means that if any of you someday plan a trip to this far region feel absolutely free to contact me.
I will do my best to show all beauties of this zone and of course show you my layout.
I hope to restore my homepage soon so you can make the virtual visit soon, but at the moment i´m not to "creative" or willing to make much work on the layout.....since a month i'm working "25 hours" a day to pay a couple of acres that i bought to build a house.
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Offline franciscohg  
#9 Posted : 18 November 2003 21:06:17(UTC)
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Another thing to add is that i,m not running digital yet, i have a couple of digitals, some delta locos and have installed a couple of PD-101 in the older locos, but right now for the reason said above i think i will not get my intellibox in the next 6 months, so the decoder are working simply as electronic reverse units for now.
For my older locos i think i can buy some decoders soon (doing that in the future i will only need to buy the control unit), i think that the uhlenbrock 75200 may be a good choice but i have read that with LCFM motors (i have some old stuff) it did not work very well.
What do you think?
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Offline perz  
#10 Posted : 18 November 2003 23:12:28(UTC)
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Hi Francisco,

The lamps should be between yellow output and black, and between gray output and black. If you have a decoder with an orange function return you could use that one instead. The black wire of the 6603 is the internal positive DC voltage, and the orange wire is also positive DC voltage, so they should be equivalent.
Offline franciscohg  
#11 Posted : 19 November 2003 00:49:45(UTC)
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Hi Perz, you mean something like that?

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Offline perz  
#12 Posted : 19 November 2003 23:28:17(UTC)
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No:

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Offline franciscohg  
#13 Posted : 20 November 2003 01:41:40(UTC)
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OK, the circuit is now complete, loco running fine.....biggrinbiggrin
Bye and thanks so much.
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