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hdunsmore		#1 Posted : 08 December 2024 05:08:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/12/2024(UTC) Posts: 4 Location: Prince Edward Island, Charlottetown		I have taken possession of a Marklin 6021 Control Unit and a Control 80f 'box'. What do I need to make these power up in N America?
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tonyfh		#2 Posted : 08 December 2024 09:21:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 125 Location: Netherlands		Hello, welcome to the forum. To power up your 6021 you need a transformer that gives max. 52 VA at 16 VAC at the output, not necessary one of the transformers from the picture, any transformer with 16 VAC output will do the trick. then simply connect the control 80f to the RIGHT of the control unit 6021 via the built in connectors. in case you have locomotives with the older decoders with dipswitches you can find the adress in the table succes, Tony
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H0		#3 Posted : 08 December 2024 20:09:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,387 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: tonyfh To power up your 6021 you need a transformer that gives max. 52 VA at 16 VAC at the output That's wrong. According to Märklin their 60 VA transformers are also suitable for the 6021.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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mike c		#4 Posted : 08 December 2024 22:08:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,102 Location: Montreal, QC		https://www.reynaulds.co...ts/Consignment/6001.aspx You can connect it to the yellow and brown outputs of any Maerklin transformer. The 32VA model (6646) will not power as many locomotives as the stronger 52VA dedicated model (6001 USA) Regards Mike C
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hdunsmore		#5 Posted : 09 December 2024 02:35:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/12/2024(UTC) Posts: 4 Location: Prince Edward Island, Charlottetown		Originally Posted by: mike c https://www.reynaulds.com/products/Consignment/6001.aspx You can connect it to the yellow and brown outputs of any Marklin transformer. The 32VA model (6646) will not power as many locomotives as the stronger 52VA dedicated model (6001 USA) Regards Mike C Hello to the above responders. I'm sorry but I should have mentioned that I am in Canada. The convertors I've seen on eBay, etc, all seem to be "110V 32Va" i.e N.American voltage. Is this unit worth putting money into - it looks versatile but I've never use Marklin products before. Any advise would be welcome. Cheers, Henry D
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marklinist5999		#6 Posted : 09 December 2024 14:43:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,588 Location: Michigan, Troy		Iv'e had my 6021 since new in 1997. No issues with it. It has an external heat sink too. Far less complex than a CS3, if you don't mind the way fewer functions and capabilities. My 40va transformer failed, but upon opening it up, it was only a positive terminal wire that came unsoldered.
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hdunsmore		#7 Posted : 09 December 2024 16:30:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/12/2024(UTC) Posts: 4 Location: Prince Edward Island, Charlottetown		Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Iv'e had my 6021 since new in 1997. No issues with it. It has an external heat sink too. Far less complex than a CS3, if you don't mind the way fewer functions and capabilities. My 40va transformer failed, but upon opening it up, it was only a positive terminal wire that came unsoldered. Thanks for the comment. I guess I will buy the 40A transformer. Does the 6021 run DCC trains as well as DC?
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marklinist5999		#8 Posted : 09 December 2024 17:07:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,588 Location: Michigan, Troy		The 6021 is MM "Marklin Motorola" and expanded FX format protocol only. However, if the Loco. is newer with a both DCC/MFX decoder, it might?? Only 80 addresses can be set in the 6021. 01-80.
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David Dewar		#9 Posted : 09 December 2024 17:23:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,411 Location: Scotland		Not sure what type or size of layout you are aiming for but I would go for a Marklin start set with controls or if a large layout then a CS3 is good. Big difference in price but in my view it is worth spending on control with more locos etc coming later.
		Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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marklinist5999		#10 Posted : 09 December 2024 17:34:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,588 Location: Michigan, Troy		Yes, and , because the 6021 can only access headlights plus 4 more functions. New models with sound offer many more functions. I've read that more functions can be activated with a 6021, but that requirtes toggling the speed knob with several reversing moves within a certain time period. Same for changing the address with it on earlier Piko and ESU Loksound decoders.
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mvd71		#11 Posted : 09 December 2024 19:29:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,838 Location: Auckland,		The 6021 and 6036 combi is a great digital control setup. They are reliable, robust, and easy to use. Since you already have them, I would suggest you definitely get a transformer and make use of them. The 6021 puts out a Märklin Motorola digital signal, it will not drive DCC equiped locos unless they happen to have a multiprotocol decoder installed. The restriction regarding extended functions can be gotten around by setting secondary addresses in the loco decoders (on newer decoders). I think you will find you have a good starting point for Märklin digital, and you can always upgrade later if you wish. In the meantime what you have will be excellent value for money! Cheers….. Mike
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H0		#12 Posted : 09 December 2024 20:40:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,387 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 I've read that more functions can be activated with a 6021, but that requirtes toggling the speed knob with several reversing moves within a certain time period. Nope. With the F key you set the address for F1 through F4 and with the L key you set the address for the speed knob. Some decoders support 4 MM addresses for up to 17 functions per loco that can easily be accessed with the F key while the speed knob always controls loco speed.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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marklinist5999		#13 Posted : 09 December 2024 23:28:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,588 Location: Michigan, Troy		What about the instructions with my Piko basic digital from the 90s that tells you for the Marklin 6021to hold the knob in reverse until the headlights flash, then enter the address and reverse the knob again twice or something etc.?
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H0		#14 Posted : 10 December 2024 07:49:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,387 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 What about the instructions with my Piko basic digital from the 90s that tells you for the Marklin 6021to hold the knob in reverse until the headlights flash, then enter the address and reverse the knob again twice or something etc.? That's the procedure for Uhlenschrott decoders to change the address of the decoder. This has to be done once per loco. This does not occur during normal loco operation. AFAIK no Märklin loco came with Uhlenschrott decoders. And I think the last Piko or Fleischmann loco with such an decoder was produced far more than 10 years ago.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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60904		#15 Posted : 10 December 2024 13:37:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 314		Märklin never came with Uhenbrock decoders. Early mfx came from ESU.
		Best regards Martin
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marklinist5999		#16 Posted : 10 December 2024 14:30:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,588 Location: Michigan, Troy		I think my Piko has Uhlenbrock because the instructions also say the procedure is for the Intellibox.
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marklinist5999		#17 Posted : 10 December 2024 23:13:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,588 Location: Michigan, Troy		My Marklin 37537 br 120 is not MFX but has a decoder without dip switches. So ESU? Only horn sound and a small auxiliary sound module. The instructions for the 6021 are the same as my Piko.
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H0		#18 Posted : 10 December 2024 23:49:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,387 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 My Marklin 37537 br 120 is not MFX but has a decoder without dip switches. So ESU? That's an ESU decoder. With ESU decoders, you simply hold the speed knob in the reversing position while you press the Go button, then you wait for flashing lights. Märklin adopted the same procedure for their own fx decoders and mfx decoders they made later without ESU. With some Uhlenschrott decoders, procedure is much more complicated and you have to engage direction change quickly for 8 seconds.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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hdunsmore		#19 Posted : 11 December 2024 05:50:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/12/2024(UTC) Posts: 4 Location: Prince Edward Island, Charlottetown		Originally Posted by: David Dewar Not sure what type or size of layout you are aiming for but I would go for a Marklin start set with controls or if a large layout then a CS3 is good. Big difference in price but in my view it is worth spending on control with more locos etc coming later. Thanks David: I am many light years from having a large layout. Just trying to get familiar with Marklin Control unit before making major decisions. I am still trying to find out what the 6021 is capable of. Perhaps even the 6021 is beyond my simple needs and limited technical know-how. Henry
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mike c		#20 Posted : 11 December 2024 06:04:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,102 Location: Montreal, QC		Here are the instructions for the 6021: https://static.maerklin....1189fe42a71434542461.pdf English version is not available from Maerklin The 6021 can operate with the original and revised versions of the Maerklin Motorola system. The settings can be changed via the dip switches on the rear of the unit. The 6036 Control 80f can be used in cooperation with the 6021 to control additional locomotives. I am not certain that it can be used with the latest version of the Maerklin Motorola decoders, but it is possible as the unit was in the product line until 2006.. You can ask questions to Rick or Curtis at digital(at)marklin.com. They are the digital experts for Canada/USA at Marklin USA. Regards Mike C
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marklinist5999		#21 Posted : 11 December 2024 10:25:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,588 Location: Michigan, Troy		MFX locos will run with a 6021. Additionally the 6021 can be used with a CS 3 with a 6021 connect box and cable. Sounds redundant perhaps, but large layout's may benefit from it.
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kiwiAlan		#22 Posted : 11 December 2024 12:34:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,337 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: hdunsmore Originally Posted by: David Dewar Not sure what type or size of layout you are aiming for but I would go for a Marklin start set with controls or if a large layout then a CS3 is good. Big difference in price but in my view it is worth spending on control with more locos etc coming later. Thanks David: I am many light years from having a large layout. Just trying to get familiar with Marklin Control unit before making major decisions. I am still trying to find out what the 6021 is capable of. Perhaps even the 6021 is beyond my simple needs and limited technical know-how. Henry Refer to the 0303 manual which can be found in this post as well as manuals for the 6021, 6036, 6050 etc in the previous post on that link.
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marklinist5999		#23 Posted : 11 December 2024 14:49:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,588 Location: Michigan, Troy		My Roco br 218 with DCC Zimo souind decoder does work on my 6021. The Piko must have the Uhlenshrott because the reversing and light flashings must be done within seconds for them to change the address.
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ocram63_uk		#24 Posted : 11 December 2024 16:26:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/01/2015(UTC) Posts: 711 Location: England, Suffolk		I would simply aim at a new Mobile Station 2 if I wanted to understand what Marklin digital trains are about. It isn't even intuitive, at first. Starting today with a 6021, IMO, is the wrong way to go.
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marklinist5999		#25 Posted : 11 December 2024 16:47:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,588 Location: Michigan, Troy		I upgraded to the MS2 29000 set (under $200 U.SD.) with track from the 6021. then a CS3+. I use my 6021 primarily on my workbench for testing. I just put it under the Christmas tree with an M track oval fro my digital non mfx 3511 klasse C and Royal Wurtemberg car set for my dickens village and Victoria station.
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steventrain		#26 Posted : 11 December 2024 21:59:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,667 Location: United Kingdom		Marklin 6021 Manual in PDF. >6021 English< Thanks to Marklinisterne.dk for the PDF.
		Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
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David Dewar		#27 Posted : 12 December 2024 12:24:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,411 Location: Scotland		Originally Posted by: hdunsmore Originally Posted by: David Dewar Not sure what type or size of layout you are aiming for but I would go for a Marklin start set with controls or if a large layout then a CS3 is good. Big difference in price but in my view it is worth spending on control with more locos etc coming later. Thanks David: I am many light years from having a large layout. Just trying to get familiar with Marklin Control unit before making major decisions. I am still trying to find out what the 6021 is capable of. Perhaps even the 6021 is beyond my simple needs and limited technical know-how. Henry I understand your view but I do think a Mobile Station 2 would be better than the 6021 which is obsolete and the Mobile Station will do more and probably easier to operate. You will also get the Marklin guarantee. The start set is ideal as you have everything which is easy to set up and operate. You can also come back here for advice as many on the forum use the Mobile Station. Much of the fun is playing and learning as you go.
		Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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H0		#28 Posted : 12 December 2024 14:43:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,387 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: ocram63_uk Starting today with a 6021, IMO, is the wrong way to go. The 6021 is old and long out of warranty, the MS2 has more digital capabilities. But the 6021 has physical keys you use to change settings and operate the loco. Trained 6021 users can achieve things very quickly - the same operation takes much longer with the MS2 where you have to dive through on-screen menus to reach the setting you need. The MS2 is the unit I take with me to club meetings, but the 6021 is at home, connected to a test track and allowing quick tests or quick changes of basic settings. Both devices have their merits. And everybody must find the device that suits best.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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