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Goofy		#1 Posted : 13 August 2006 15:20:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,022		I have just heard that Marklin shall upgrade CS...!? I have start Marklin again,but did not bought CS yet. Shall i wait to bying CS...? Goofy
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Maxi		#2 Posted : 13 August 2006 16:11:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 757 Location: Wawa, Ontario		Could you please be a little more specific about what you mean when you say upgrade? If the upgrade is programming (or more known as firmware) then a CS can be purchased any time, if the upgrade is a actual change in the CS its self then one would want to wait for futher details. This news of upgrade is new to me at this time. Maxi
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Goofy		#3 Posted : 13 August 2006 16:18:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,022		Marklin did hade corperation together with another company by created CS,but did now break up this company and started with another company instead...!? I did read this information at a swedish discussion forum! Goofy
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rschaffr		#4 Posted : 13 August 2006 16:58:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		Goofy: Yes Systems, including the CS, was developed in conjunction with ESU. For some reason that relationship has been terminated. The information I have is that M will continue alone and that the present CS will continue in basically it's present form.
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Lars Westerlind		#5 Posted : 13 August 2006 20:29:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 2,379 Location: Lindome, Sweden		Rumour says that they have found another partner. Seems likely to me. I don't know of any uprade either, if you don't mean the software upgrade. I'm sure there will be such upgrades available, if I understand correctly, at your dealer. The average Märklin-user is not supposed to do such things himself (opposed to Uhlenbrock and I guess, ESU users). But things could change of course. But /systems is not finished, Märklin has not fulfilled what they promised. So in my thinking they have to do something. Is that what you call an upgrade? Regards, Lars
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Davy		#6 Posted : 13 August 2006 21:03:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,915 Location: Netherlands		From a German forum. Somebody had talk there with a employer from Marklin. Marklin let another software firm make a new software version for the CS. But this will take time. Marklin wants a perfect product which the old software firm could not do our could not made. Rumors are the old firm is the same firm which made the software for the IB. A Italian firm
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Vardex		#7 Posted : 13 August 2006 21:23:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 402 Location: vlaardingen,		The IB was developed in cooperation with modeltreno. New partner from M seems to be doehler+haass. It seems CS v2 is coming,and v1 will get an update within the next couple of years,but that's all for v1. I would suggest to wait at least until you are sure that there are boosters etc, and a program for a PC interface. Bart
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VT95		#8 Posted : 13 August 2006 23:30:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 36 Location: Antwerp,		I think there is something better as the Central station, the ESU ECoS. It is everything the CS was promised to be at the same price but with a 90VA transfo included. It can do everything the CS does but you also have a memory, a connection for S88 decoders and a port for connection to a PC. It also has two joystick build in so you can control a crane for example. ESU develloped MFX for Marklin. Later on they got an argument with each other and now the're ennemies. Marklin still holds the patent on two way communication between a loc and a central so for the moment nobody can develop MFX or simmilar products besides Marklin. MFX locs run on the ECoS but only with 9 functions and 27 motor steps. http://www.tee-usa.com/store/product109.html
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viragoLDR		#9 Posted : 13 August 2006 23:49:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 703 Location: ,		Marklin doesn't hold any 2-way communication patent, DCC has 2-way communication as well, a bit more advanced too. Whether the ECoS is better remains to be seen. On paper it's better, but that doesn't mean anything. Those motorized knobs will be a nightmare. Other than that, it doesn't do MFX, which for a bunch of people makes the ECoS quite useless. Sure, 9 functions and 27 speed steps might be enough, but for those who actively buy/convert/use mfx loco's, they'll likely want to be able to easily access all functions and all speed steps. As for Doehler & Haass, they're the ones who made the entire Selectrix system (so it's not unlikely they're working with Marklin now), and quite frankly, Selectrix is still a very decent system, even if it's old.
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VT95		#10 Posted : 14 August 2006 00:39:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 36 Location: Antwerp,		The ESU importer told me recently the ECoS already has MFX inside but it's locked. They hope to come to an agreement with Mazklin soon so they can reaease it.
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Davy		#11 Posted : 14 August 2006 01:22:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,915 Location: Netherlands		Then Esu has to pay a lot of money.
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jonquinn		#12 Posted : 14 August 2006 05:30:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,591 Location: Pennsylvania		or clever modeler to get into software/code to unlock it (for free).
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clapcott		#13 Posted : 14 August 2006 11:05:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,435 Location: Wellington, New_Zealand		I know we are in rumour territory here, but a CSv2 (H/W) could accelerate for the implementation of some stuff that should have been in v1. Personally I think they should stop reinventing the wheel and provide a simple interface/driver module that attaches to any PC, and the progam to run on that PC. That way Marklin can concentrate on what they are good at - making trains. Off course they could/should "facilitate" the implementation with their software partner, but leave the users to CHOOSE what size screen and interface (keyboard,mouse,wireless remote,cellphone txt) they want. By all means bundle a complete solution if they have to for marketting reasons (but it has to be modular and scalable) but don't tie us into old technology from day one. Most people can aquire a 2nd (3rd/4th) hand screen that is better (resolution and colour) than the pathetic one inbuilt with the current CS.
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Maxi		#14 Posted : 14 August 2006 16:06:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 757 Location: Wawa, Ontario		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by clapcott <br /> Personally I think they should stop reinventing the wheel and provide a simple interface/driver module that attaches to any PC, and the progam to run on that PC. This is a yes/no answer,by this I mean that by making a device that conects directly to a PC would allow for many different designs and concepts. But on the realistic side not everyone who is into model railroading has a computer (this is fact). Also not everyone has a laptop computer that can be picked up and moved on a whim. So in reality a PC type solution would be most siutable for a permanent type layout and not a mobile type layout. For the rest a unit such as the 6021 or 60212 type controller to name a few are the best choice for their needs and abilities. Maxi
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Goofy		#15 Posted : 14 August 2006 21:25:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,022		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Lars Westerlind <br />Rumour says that they have found another partner. Seems likely to me. I don't know of any uprade either, if you don't mean the software upgrade. I'm sure there will be such upgrades available, if I understand correctly, at your dealer. The average Märklin-user is not supposed to do such things himself (opposed to Uhlenbrock and I guess, ESU users). But things could change of course. But /systems is not finished, Märklin has not fulfilled what they promised. So in my thinking they have to do something. Is that what you call an upgrade? Regards, Lars Very nice explain...! I was thinking like this:Colourful display,memory,turntable show up...etc! Goofy
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clapcott		#16 Posted : 15 August 2006 00:53:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,435 Location: Wellington, New_Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Maxi But on the realistic side not everyone who is into model railroading has a computer (this is fact)..... just presuming for a moment that this might be so, even including units like the playstation and xbox, if you buy a CS or ECos then that is exactly what you are getting - but with a fixed set of peripherals. If the solution was more modular then a train modeller could select the degree of user interface to meet their needs. AND marklin could outsource the non-core business far more efficiently. I did not infer that users go and buy the latest PC. If you cannot get a 2nd hand PC(laptop) capable of managing a layout for less than 50eur then I would be suprised. Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Also not everyone has a laptop computer that can be picked up and moved on a whim. see above re 2nd hand equipment - the unit does not have to be bleeding edge and expensive, it is a tool . Also a modular design would allow a CHOICE of options. e.g. a large screen for the comfort of the layout room or a laptop when on the road doing the exhibition circuit (maybe with an added screen or two for the public to see - because of standardisation these might be supplied by the convention centre maybe).
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Maxi		#17 Posted : 15 August 2006 02:23:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 757 Location: Wawa, Ontario		All points made above are valid ones but we still have an audience which would be more comfortable and understanding if all the required pieces to make their layout operate come from one supplier and not have to deal with purchasing extra software just to get a layout up and running. When it comes to computer troubles (viruses or failed components such as hard drives or the fear of wiping all the information from the computer) this alone is enough to make the users who are not keen on computers think twice about getting into the hobby or progressing in what they currently have. I aggree that a computer with modules added to it has more room for expansion and customization which the new and upcomming crowd would most likely want to see and use but when it comes down to cost and how many customers a product will serve it is a hard choice and it seems that a appliance nearly all in one has won again. When it comes to second hand items, at times it is a bargin but also there are a fair share of inherit the problems that go with it since some cases that is why a person is selling the item in the first place. Also just because the computer originally came with a OS doesn't mean that a second hand one will, so if that is the case then the person is also out the cost of the OS and in that case one can just go and buy a fairly new machine right off the shelf brand new and have warrenty to boot. Maxi
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Davy		#18 Posted : 15 August 2006 02:55:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,915 Location: Netherlands		I get a email when the software update is ready. In Holland this will be done by one person. So my CS will has to make a little trip.
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clapcott		#19 Posted : 15 August 2006 11:23:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,435 Location: Wellington, New_Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Maxi <br />... we still have an audience which would be more comfortable and understanding if all the required pieces to make their layout operate come from one supplier .... No problem with this at all - Now that the CSv1 (60212) is "to market" this is where it might (continue) be aimed. I was picking up on the "IF" Marklin had to look for another product (CSv2) they might want to use/design it to capture a bit more of the fringe (at both ends) and in the process leverage standards (like the various PC interfaces) to ensure wider acceptance. "Systems" is OVER 2 year old, from announce, and still cannot do the same functions of a 6021 or IB. As currently marketted it never will. Marklin must have learnt (I hope) from the teaser CS they have released todate, that it is below par - moving forward they would be well advised not only to heed the feedback but to succinctly communicate their roadmap/vision for the future in a timely manner.
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Lars Westerlind		#20 Posted : 15 August 2006 14:18:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 2,379 Location: Lindome, Sweden		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by clapcott ... "Systems" is OVER 2 year old, from announce, and still cannot do the same functions of a 6021 or IB. As currently marketted it never will. Marklin must have learnt (I hope) from the teaser CS they have released todate, that it is below par - moving forward they would be well advised not only to heed the feedback but to succinctly communicate their roadmap/vision for the future in a timely manner. Amen. Lars
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john black		#21 Posted : 15 August 2006 16:41:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Since my friend David is on vacation I promised to hold the fort and defend the CS in the meantime ... "Erm ... it's M's only premium controller availabe today. So what - just sign here. Ya can read it later [:o)]" John
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rschaffr		#22 Posted : 15 August 2006 17:15:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		I certainly would not want to have to do without my layout while I send my controller in for an update I should be able to do myself. That alone will preclude the CS for me.
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viragoLDR		#23 Posted : 15 August 2006 18:05:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 703 Location: ,		Chances are that Marklin aren't the only ones to blame for the fact that the CS is incomplete, but it's easy to blame Marklin, just another thing to whine about. All the problems and delays are mostly caused by the Marklin/ESU brake up. ESU did most of the work on the CS, and from what was mentioned earlier on the forum here, ESU is now so stuck up and full of themselves, that they won't give Marklin all the info needed for Marklin to continue on the CS, so Marklin basically had to reverse engineer the whole thing. Combine that with the financial problems and takeover etc, and you have a perfectly valid reason why the CS isn't what they promised it would be. If ESU was working on ECoS at the same time as they were working on CS, I can imagine ESU is as much to blame, if not more so, then Marklin, the 2 devices are far too similar to be coincedence, and the ECoS was announced far too quick after the CS to have been built from scratch. Anyways, not allowing users to update their own CS is a whole load of nonsense, although, only slightly worse than requiring a dos bootable floppy ;)
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rschaffr		#24 Posted : 15 August 2006 18:13:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		Well, if the CS had been brought out as announced, not a year late, the ECoS would have been announced a year after the CS was on the market. You are correct, though, that blame for the delay in bringing Systems to market must at least be shared by ESU. Could be that ESU's development was constantly interfered with by Marklin with changing requirements, no set design specification, etc, but the blame is not all Marklin's for sure.
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Maxi		#25 Posted : 15 August 2006 18:14:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 757 Location: Wawa, Ontario		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by viragoLDR <br /> Anyways, not allowing users to update their own CS is a whole load of nonsense, although, only slightly worse than requiring a dos bootable floppy ;) If you are hinting on the updating of the IB, I have come up with a solution that will allow the update to be done while using Windows XP and a USB to serial adaptor. I currently removed the solution from my website but I beleive the the Webmaster has a copy of the solution and is open to the thought of posting the solution on this site for all to access. Maxi
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viragoLDR		#26 Posted : 15 August 2006 18:26:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 703 Location: ,		Ron, or ESU was too busy building they're ECoS, so that Marklin told them to bugger off ;) The only people who know are Marklin and ESU, and I doubt either of them will make a public statement about it. Maxi, I know, I saw that. But that means you need to buy a USB -> serial adapter if you don't have one, and buying hardware so you can upgrade other hardware is a bit stupid. Especially since accessing the serial port in winxp is awfully easy...
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rschaffr		#27 Posted : 15 August 2006 18:35:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		Martijn: I had no trouble upgrading my IB but my train computer is still on win98. It is inexcusable for Uhlenbrock to not have moved with the times and addressed upgrading their system with XP. Could be that they have abandoned further development on the IB for IBII and are putting their efforts there, although nothing has even been hinted at in that direction.
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Maxi		#28 Posted : 15 August 2006 18:37:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 757 Location: Wawa, Ontario		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by viragoLDR <br />Ron, or ESU was too busy building they're ECoS, so that Marklin told them to bugger off ;) The only people who know are Marklin and ESU, and I doubt either of them will make a public statement about it. Maxi, I know, I saw that. But that means you need to buy a USB -&gt; serial adapter if you don't have one, and buying hardware so you can upgrade other hardware is a bit stupid. Especially since accessing the serial port in winxp is awfully easy... The solution will also work with a real serial port, but for those who are not so lucky and have a computer with no floppy drive and or no real serial port the solution provides a way fulfilling the task of updating the IB since they would definetly have a serial port of one form or another in order to use IB with a computer. There is still the rare case of a user just wanting to use the IB by its self and still needs to update it to make use of new features required (eg the lissy feature). Can't please all but at least try to please as many as possible. Maxi
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jeehring		#29 Posted : 16 August 2006 04:27:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		quote ...If ESU was working on ECoS at the same time as they were working on CS,.... quote This point has been related to me from serious sources....
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Hemmerich		#30 Posted : 16 August 2006 20:20:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by rschaffr <br />I certainly would not want to have to do without my layout while I send my controller in for an update I should be able to do myself. That alone will preclude the CS for me. Ron, just view it from this point: Märklin doesn't sell this stuff over the Internet; they deliver it to their "contracted" dealers worldwide - which are usually expected to have a shop where they sell these items to the end customers. You simply contact this dealer and ask him about his plans to accomplish such an update. There are several options: - Visit the selling dealer and get the update done there. - Send your CS to the selling dealer for update (he must still exist). - Send or bring your CS to Märklin in your country for update. - Register your CS to a central database (at Märklin) and get your update from there. - Get a CD with the update (you'll need a PC to do so). - Connect your CS to a Network PC and perform the update ("some" SW must be installed on that PC). If you take a look at the ECoS update process (chapter 20), you can already guess what will (also) happen with the CS - ok, once the English document is out.
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rschaffr		#31 Posted : 16 August 2006 21:13:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		Lutz: Options 4, 5, and 6 are acceptable, but are they being supported by Marklin? All I have heard is that you ahve to physically deliver your CS somewhere for upgrade. That is NOT acceptable to me.
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digilox1		#32 Posted : 17 August 2006 06:00:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/05/2003(UTC) Posts: 719 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Since my friend David is on vacation I promised to hold the fort and defend the CS in the meantime ... "Erm ... it's M's only premium controller availabe today. So what - just sign here. Ya can read it later John, I don`t believe you. I can see a serious lack of seriousness in your posting and even a certain frivolity in the handling of that difficult task. It is definitely NOT enhanced by using THAT smiley! Serious regards, Manfred
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Lars Westerlind		#33 Posted : 17 August 2006 10:06:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 2,379 Location: Lindome, Sweden		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by viragoLDR <br />Chances are that Marklin aren't the only ones to blame for the fact that the CS is incomplete, but it's easy to blame Marklin, just another thing to whine about. ... I'm sorry, but this seems as a corect but irrelevant note to me. With the CS Märklin certainly is the only business partner the end users has, hence, the only one to blame. ESU is a sub contractor, so if the cooperation has failed due to failures of them, still, Märklin is to be blamed for choosing that partner. My own main critisism is about technical choices, which may been have propesed by ESU, but certainly has been decided by Märklin. It's clear to me that Märklin didn't have the competence to do the right decision, but then I blame them for not acquiring that compotence. I'm sure they know more and better now. If they had choosen more standards like DCC, LocoNet/eXpressNet they would not have been that dependent on ESU, and they would have delivered systems far earlier. That was obvious for me at the time /systems was announced; look back in the archives if you don't believe me. And if it was obvious for some of us single persons already in the beginning, i find it rather natural to blame our belowed Märklin to do such a failure. /Lars
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john black		#34 Posted : 17 August 2006 13:35:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by digilox1 <br />John, I can see a serious lack of seriousness in your posting and even a certain frivolity in the handling of that difficult task. Manfred, you're right. I really should go into myself and do an appropiate amount of penance. A pity you can't see the ashes on top of my head ... [}:)] Enlighted regards, John
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nuno sousa		#35 Posted : 17 August 2006 21:31:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 58 Location: ,		I think that M had the obligation to deliver a better product, M is about the best products around for a medium/upper market and they cannot go just half way, CS without a larger color toutch screen, pc interface, internet downloads, and better control knobs for the price asked is not an easy decision, at least for me.
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Goofy		#36 Posted : 17 August 2006 23:45:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,022		Marklin can do it better,but the question is all about money to placement on the CS. Or shall Marklin wait little longer time before to go to next step by expanded theirs CS...? Marklin,beware of the enemies who are producing Central Station by self!!! Like ESU:s and Wiessmann!? Goofy
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rschaffr		#37 Posted : 17 August 2006 23:47:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		Competition is always good...keeps manufacturers honest and priced competitively.
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viragoLDR		#38 Posted : 18 August 2006 00:04:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 703 Location: ,		Barring any strange happenings at Viessmann, I think their commander could take the lead. It has several features that seem rather interesting, not least of all the nice color touchscreen and the combined on-screen and external switchboards. I don't know much about Viessmann's hardware department, but I saw the video for the commander, and they've come quite a ways with the thing. I'm considering waiting getting a Lenz SET100 and possibly go for a commander.
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Goofy		#39 Posted : 18 August 2006 21:18:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,022		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by viragoLDR <br />Barring any strange happenings at Viessmann, I think their commander could take the lead. It has several features that seem rather interesting, not least of all the nice color touchscreen and the combined on-screen and external switchboards. I don't know much about Viessmann's hardware department, but I saw the video for the commander, and they've come quite a ways with the thing. I'm considering waiting getting a Lenz SET100 and possibly go for a commander. Lenz SET100 and Viessmann:s commander together...? I don`t think so,but it`s up to yourself. Goofy
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viragoLDR		#40 Posted : 18 August 2006 22:50:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 703 Location: ,		Nah, not together, not much point. The Lenz set has some nice features, but I just really like the idea of the on-screen switchboards, so I'll wait and see what happens with the commander for now, not in a hurry to get a digital system anyway as long as I have the IB on loan, it's good enough for testing purposes ;)
		- Martijn (early planning : H0-scale Era I K.Bay.sts.b) (active planning : N-scale mixed late Era Japanese) (possibly something Z-scale as well ;))
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David Dewar		#41 Posted : 18 August 2006 23:52:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,344 Location: Scotland		John. back from holiday and note your support (I think) Not really needed though as having looked at the posts I am sure Marklin must have a laugh at what they should be doing with systems. IB are not selling and the others are not on the market so only M is getting any sales (thankfully) Have not had time to ask my German dealer how sales are going but will do so soon. Now off to run my first train for a week. David PS John just stick with the 6021 and I will keep mine in case you need a replacement in the years to come.
		Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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Goofy		#42 Posted : 19 August 2006 13:31:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,022		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by David Dewar <br />John. back from holiday and note your support (I think) Not really needed though as having looked at the posts I am sure Marklin must have a laugh at what they should be doing with systems. IB are not selling and the others are not on the market so only M is getting any sales (thankfully) Have not had time to ask my German dealer how sales are going but will do so soon. Now off to run my first train for a week. David PS John just stick with the 6021 and I will keep mine in case you need a replacement in the years to come. IB are not selling...!? Truth,it has to do about new things inside of digitalsystem that there is to offer to customer now!!! IB has become to old stuff now.I think that IB will been changed to new style and function into future...! Goofy
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john black		#43 Posted : 19 August 2006 13:39:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		David, you know it was a joke - though I'm not sure this was recognised by all ... [:o)] Well, the day I can build a big layout I'll surely go for the CS. Since like you I prefer to have all components by <u>one</u> maker. Glad you're back sound & well and can enjoy your trains, again John
		I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators. AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only. CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ... Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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David Dewar		#44 Posted : 19 August 2006 15:57:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,344 Location: Scotland		Thats the stuff John...us Marklin men must stick together.it might not be the best but its all we need and its made by the best model rail firm (although HAG make some great locos) Better remember to get the dogs back from the kennels.. David
		Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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john black		#45 Posted : 22 August 2006 11:35:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Yeah. Otherwise they won't talk with you, anymore ...
		I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators. AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only. CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ... Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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renevoorburg		#46 Posted : 22 August 2006 15:23:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/10/2005(UTC) Posts: 382 Location: Planet Earth (mostly)		Regardless who is to blame: I won't buy a CS before: - updates don't ruin all your settings (backup option!) - automated track control becomes possible (with or without computer) - mfx capable boosters are on the market. I think it spells bad news that Marklin doesn't give any insight in its future plans for systems. Rene
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alonso231gery		#47 Posted : 22 August 2006 16:13:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,957 Location: Hellas (Athens)		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Better remember to get the dogs back from the kennels. ???
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bmcrae		#48 Posted : 25 August 2006 01:29:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 970 Location: Okanagan Valley, BC		I had my first look at 'Systems' yesterday on a visit to Eurorailhobbies in Langley, BC. I can understand now where users enjoy the added (pardon the pun) 'bells and whistles' that mfx has to offer. On the display table was the M* VT 08.5 (39080). [:p][:p][:p] I didn't handle it at all so I can't comment as to physcial features and how it feels/weighs, but it looks and sounds FANTASTIC. The controller was an MS and not a CS like I thought was there last time but chances are the CS was sold long ago (my last visit was in Feb). I didn't see any in stock so he's moving them pretty quick it seems. The MS seems fairly straigh forward to operate. I'm toying with the idea of getting one of the MS starter systems, but time will tell. I think my son who is 6 will be able to use it with no problem so maybe a small layout for him is in order! I over heard the shop owner talking with my friend about a new Intellibox in the future (read something in forum here also I believe). Has anyone heard anything else regarding this? I think the timeline the owner mentioned might have been in time for next fall, but I might be mistaken. He suggested that this new IB will recognize ALL formats.
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p .g		#49 Posted : 11 September 2006 22:57:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 181 Location: ,		wait
		back on land but it feels funny
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Rowan		#50 Posted : 11 September 2006 23:40:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/04/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,278 Location: Brisbane, Queensland		Have been waiting,and waiting......[V]
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