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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#101 Posted : 14 October 2006 13:24:46(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by intruder
<br />Hi.

My CS says "Hardware type 1.1", "Software type 1.6.45".

Does anybody have an idea what that means?


My CS is the same version, and I've had mine since Christmas 2005
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Offline steventrain  
#102 Posted : 14 October 2006 13:29:43(UTC)
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Offline Goofy  
#103 Posted : 25 November 2006 16:36:39(UTC)
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I wonder if Marklin shall or not by changed the style of shape on the CS and doing by copy to have almost same like as Viessmann:s CS...?

To see how Marklin are copy catenary from after Viessmann:s catenary,i wonder if it`s perhaps a chance that Marklin will uppgrade CS after all...?

Who knows...? confused

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#104 Posted : 25 November 2006 18:26:48(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Goofy
<br />I have just heard that Marklin shall upgrade CS...!?

I have start Marklin again,but did not bought CS yet.

Shall i wait to bying CS...? confused

Goofy Cool


According to my dealer (he is a large dealer in a position to know) in Germany, the first CS update will be sometime in the first half of 2007. It will be free over the internet. This is not an upgrade of the actual unit, but a software update. The boosters, which are the real limiting factor in owning a CS right now, are not due until August, 2007.[:(] Of course all dates are estimated!biggrin

Marklin has teamed up with a new partner on this. When they were taken over by Kingsbridge, the biggest problem that was perceived was that M essentially had no digital system, so this is top priority. The CS has sold well, at one point selling out of stock. So there is no question it will be a viable system, but without boosters for expansion at this time, its potential is obviously limited.

If you want to play around with the system as I have done, its OK to buy one. It will run all your regular digital loks, and in its present state will run a smallish table top layout adequately. It was very positively reviewed In Model Railroader, and considering DCC and the old Motorola systems are now over 20 years old, the CS is a logical next step in operation. After you use it a while, this becomes very obvious.

CS2 will have color screens, but until CS1 is fully fleshed out, I wouldn't look for CS2 any time soon.
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Offline intruder  
#105 Posted : 26 November 2006 11:38:54(UTC)
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Thanks or the info, Dave.
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Offline Goofy  
#106 Posted : 20 January 2007 12:49:56(UTC)
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Marklin has not so far presentation some news about CS,if they shall uppgrade CS...?

I can only see new models such like loco and railwaycars,not anything about CS...!

Strange... [:0]

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Offline Goofy  
#107 Posted : 21 January 2007 20:13:03(UTC)
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It`s still plenty of time before Nurnbergmesse 2007,so Marklin perhaps will telling to people about CS...? confused

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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#108 Posted : 21 January 2007 22:00:17(UTC)
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Be patient Goofy, I'm sure the update will come soon.....Maybe before June. We shall see.
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Offline David Dewar  
#109 Posted : 22 January 2007 00:22:00(UTC)
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We have been told the CS will be updated in 2007. So maybe December ??

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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#110 Posted : 22 January 2007 03:00:59(UTC)
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Hi David, see mrmarklin's previous post. Hopefully it happens before June!!

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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mrmarklin

According to my dealer (he is a large dealer in a position to know) in Germany, the first CS update will be sometime in the first half of 2007.
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Offline Goofy  
#111 Posted : 22 January 2007 22:21:25(UTC)
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Amazing...!

So Marklin perhaps has waken up now by focus on others digital system...?

I wonder if Uhlenbrock has decides by created a new system,that will scared Marklin **** of...?

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Offline David Dewar  
#112 Posted : 23 January 2007 00:59:18(UTC)
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I still feel we will have to be patient as
Marklin appears to be more self reliant or at least find a firm which will make systems to a high standard and not start to produce a controller of their own in competition. My own CS is still going fine after more than a year and apart from the lack of a memory I find it does all I need to run my locos.
The other makes only sell in tiny numbers and although are discussed here often few are bought. It is a pity that we will have to wait for the full CS version but if you want Marklin then there is no choice but to be patient.

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Offline Goofy  
#113 Posted : 23 January 2007 20:51:15(UTC)
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I have seen Trix news models 2007,but no one sound anything about Trix CS...!

Very strange...

Trix CS should have been outside now,but seems to became late and not arrived until summer 2007...

And at the top of Marklins CS,nothing news about that too...!

It seems anyway that both of Marklins and Trix CS will been changed...

To what,i dont know... confused

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#114 Posted : 30 January 2007 18:45:52(UTC)
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Lokshop have information me about CS udate.

Roland Baer said
'ref an update of the 60212 I have no information yet, but that's quite normal'.
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#115 Posted : 31 January 2007 10:13:38(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain
<br />'ref an update of the 60212 I have no information yet, but that's quite normal'

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#116 Posted : 31 January 2007 11:29:57(UTC)
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For information re the CS update, see Ira's post in this thread:

https://www.marklin-user...ault.aspx?g=posts&t=6369


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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by HueyCE
<br />I asked Dr. Tom Catherall about CS updates today and he said updates have been made, they still working on a way to distribute them via the internet. For now the only way to get updates is via CD from the digital developement department and they are not available to general public. The spat with ESU has caused some major development issues.
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Offline Seetal  
#117 Posted : 02 February 2007 06:23:54(UTC)
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And in reference to Goofy's comment about M* copying Viesmann's catenary.
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:To see how Marklin are copy catenary from after Viessmann:s catenary,i wonder if it`s perhaps a chance that Marklin will uppgrade CS after all...?[


I believe they did not copy but entered into an agreement with viesmann where Marklin repackage and sell Viesmann Catenary and lights under the Marklin brand....note the viesmann are cheaper.

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Offline Weltenbummler  
#118 Posted : 02 February 2007 13:41:06(UTC)
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News forom the fair in Nuremberg:

According to another forum the update for the CS will be available before June 2007.
But it will not be a software update but a hardware one.
So if you wanna get your CS updated you either hand it in at your dealer to forward it to Märklin yourself.
Regard from Karachi
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#119 Posted : 02 February 2007 13:44:56(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:According to another forum the update for the CS will be available before June 2007.
But it will not be a software update but a hardware one.

Herzlichen Dank Thomas,

Now that I know ,I'd better wait till summer before I buy the CS.

Kind regards
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#120 Posted : 02 February 2007 17:12:16(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Thomas Duengefeld
<br />News forom the fair in Nuremberg:

According to another forum the update for the CS will be available before June 2007.
But it will not be a software update but a hardware one.
So if you wanna get your CS updated you either hand it in at your dealer to forward it to Märklin yourself.


Means that it will be both software & hardware update,
am I right ?
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Offline David Dewar  
#121 Posted : 02 February 2007 18:38:24(UTC)
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I hope there will be information when new stock will be updated along with the CS in the start sets. I preume dealers will update all old stock before sale.
Lutz do you have any further info ?

David
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#122 Posted : 02 February 2007 19:28:01(UTC)
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O.K.,
sorry if it was a bit misunderstanding.
You have to hand in the CS to Märklin where they will update the hardware, which basicaly means that you get an updated software together with the updated hardware.
Regard from Karachi
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#123 Posted : 02 February 2007 20:23:23(UTC)
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Thomas, does this mean that all CS updates have to be done by Marklin, with the unit sent back to Goppingen. For those of us at the ends of the earth, this means we will be without controllers for our layouts for some time.

Surely it would be better and faster for authorised dealers to be able to perform the updates, many of them are electronic engineers.
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Offline jeehring  
#124 Posted : 02 February 2007 21:20:02(UTC)
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As far as I remember, CS comes from modular construction like PC's ( cards,bus & connectors) to allow easy changes or upgrade

Living anywhere in Europe or in south pacific,there is not too much difference,except postal fares

A special attention should be given to those who are living overseas...
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#125 Posted : 02 February 2007 22:14:52(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Thomas Duengefeld
<br />CS to Märklin where they will update the hardware, which basicaly means that you get an updated software together with the updated hardware

Any idea if the new CS starter sets #29840 and #29680 got this upgrade, already confused
There's no word about in the 2007 catalog ...
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#126 Posted : 03 February 2007 00:41:27(UTC)
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#127 Posted : 03 February 2007 00:56:56(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz
<br />Thomas, does this mean that all CS updates have to be done by Marklin, with the unit sent back to Goppingen. For those of us at the ends of the earth, this means we will be without controllers for our layouts for some time.


This is the information I've got so far.

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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz
Surely it would be better and faster for authorised dealers to be able to perform the updates, many of them are electronic engineers.


I fully agree with you on that opinion.
Maybe there will be a solution on the update situation, which will satisfy everyone.

Best one in my opinion would be to announce the update availability in the insider news and märklin magazin (next issue). Tell people to contact their local dealers, dealers collect the appropriate number of cs required and forward that to a deadline date e.g. 30-06-2007 to Marklin. Then updated cs's will be send to the dealer who informs customers to hand in "old" cs for exchange to a new one.

If and how it's going to work I don't know, but I hope they will do it in a way which satisfies both sides, Marklin and every customer.

Probably Lutz will have some more detailed insider information later on.
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#128 Posted : 03 February 2007 01:10:45(UTC)
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Will there be a Cost for the Upgrade??

The idea of letting the dealer know souds like a good solution if that is the way that they adopt.
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#129 Posted : 03 February 2007 14:48:05(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw
<br />Will there be a Cost for the Upgrade??

The idea of letting the dealer know souds like a good solution if that is the way that they adopt.
Nev


The answers is:YES...!

It cost by doing an uppgrade of CS.

You can either do a decides by ordered via ethernet direct to CS from yours computer or bying an cd-rom and putting in that in the computer connecting via to CS...!

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#130 Posted : 03 February 2007 15:37:56(UTC)
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/rant-on

Hang on...
unless there's an actual hardware change (new microcontroller, or driver transistors) the upgrade is just firmware!
This should be quite possible even over the internet:
1. download the new firmware data file.
2. download a PC/Mac application to re-program the CS via serial port or network port.

This has been common practise in the PC world for years -- I can re-flash the BIOS in my PC motherboard and even my video card from the internet!
If Märklin don't do it this way, it's just sheer bloody-mindedness!

/rant-off

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#131 Posted : 03 February 2007 20:39:08(UTC)
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Not really like that, there is only an ethernet port on the CS and from what I have seen with a port scan, there is active port, ie. WWW, FTP or TFTP, suitable for loading an upgraded firmware.
They may have also figured out that there is not enough memory to run the software upgrade, so the only viable solution is to have it done in a lab reprogramming the ROM where the softawre is loaded and adding/replacing RAM.
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#132 Posted : 03 February 2007 20:40:47(UTC)
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... I meant <u>NO</u> active port...
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#133 Posted : 03 February 2007 21:02:39(UTC)
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For what it's worth, I just got information from my dealer that software updates will not be available via Internet.

Märklin or ,more precisely, their Dutch distributer for customers here in Holland will do the update for the customer, according to information given to me by my dealer.

One can only speculate on the reason behind all this.

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#134 Posted : 03 February 2007 21:35:25(UTC)
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Well I am not sending my CS anywhere and then wait for weeks in the hope it will be returned.
Just exactly what would I gain with this update anyway. ??

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#135 Posted : 03 February 2007 21:43:42(UTC)
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#136 Posted : 03 February 2007 22:27:39(UTC)
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In Holland your CS go to one place. I think you will get a completly new software and may be some hardware? I have no idea. But if you do not send your CS for a update you will never get a update. He also will never work with a computer.

Marklin is not going to make any software on their own. They will give the interface protocol to the software makers.

I can not wait to get my update for my CS and see what is different in the new version.



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Offline David Dewar  
#137 Posted : 04 February 2007 00:01:01(UTC)
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If there is a start set with a loco I want and it contains the CS and the price is right this may be a better bet and I can use the original CS either as a spare or another controller.
I have supported the CS strongly for some time but I cannot see many people being happy to pack and pay costs to get an update.
Ron : you say the ECOS is looking better does this mean that updates are done on the net?

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#138 Posted : 04 February 2007 00:30:46(UTC)
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#139 Posted : 04 February 2007 01:38:05(UTC)
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I would guess that it is intended to have the CS updates available over the net as well, but if a memory upgrade is required to accomodate the first upgrade, then that will explain why the CS has to be returned.

Sounds like Marklin have had an 'Ooopps' moment, in realising that a memory upgrade is required.

Lutz, you seem to be very 'clued up' in things Marklin related, do you have anything to add?
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#140 Posted : 04 February 2007 03:15:35(UTC)
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Latest I heard includes: expect upgrades for the CS late April, free of charge, but you will have to go see your dealer to get them done.

Your CS will be better than ever before after the upgrade. biggrin
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#141 Posted : 04 February 2007 05:38:39(UTC)
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Thanks for the info Charlie (for those of you who don't know, Charlie is a Marklin dealer - the 'C' in www.ajckids.com)
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#142 Posted : 04 February 2007 14:25:10(UTC)
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<br />Latest I heard includes: expect upgrades for the CS late April, free of charge, but you will have to go see your dealer to get them done.

Your CS will be better than ever before after the upgrade. biggrin



Free of charge...?

Not a chance...!

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#143 Posted : 04 February 2007 16:47:25(UTC)
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I would fully expect that it will be free. Recall that the CS was "rushed" to market a year late due to the relationship problems with ESU (divorce?) and was probably not fully completed nor fully tested. Any responsible firm in that situation is honor bound to fix it at no cost and as little inconvenience to the customer as possible. I am anxiously waiting to see what the upgrade brings. Quite frankly, I would rather buy the Marklin product. The only reason I moved from the 6021 to the IB was due to the quirks and limitations of the 6021. I liked that controller, but the IB made more sense for me at the time. As a recap of what I have said before, what I am waiting for is:

1) announcement of support for future upgrades via the intenet
2) completion of systems (boosters/s88/etc)
3) release of the computer control protocol so I can adapt my software to run the thing.

When these things are in place, I will probably move to the CS. If this thing drags on indefinitely, though, I may jump to the ECoS which is an attractive device, but as I said, I would prefer Marklin. I have little hope that Viessmann will release the Commander any time soon. I am still waiting for them to produce some items they announce over a year ago and I have had on order.
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#144 Posted : 04 February 2007 18:11:25(UTC)
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Ron,

On the CS: You will be able to get updates as downloads. Several improvements are being made to the CS. The update will be free. We have more details on our website.

The Ecos is a very nice device. Better take a good look at it. The new for 2007 5-Amp (!) booster includes a transformer, and will be available this year.

The Viessmann Commander was fully up and running at the Fair. Neatest advantage are a color screen, ability to add a track diagram, and the ability to upload color JPG's of your locomotives. These can be assigned to your locomotive database.

Charlie
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Offline Guus  
#145 Posted : 04 February 2007 18:18:30(UTC)
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Thanks for the information Charlie.

It's good to hear the software update will be available via Internet!

Kind regards
Guus
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#146 Posted : 04 February 2007 19:02:27(UTC)
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Thanks, Charlie. Good info. I love Viessmann catenary and their decoders, but have kind of soured on them over the 4554 turnout motor and the servo motor which were announced over a year ago and still not in production. I am not going to do anything really soon, so I can wait to see the Commander.
-Ron
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Offline Charlie  
#147 Posted : 04 February 2007 19:41:53(UTC)
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I talked to Viessmann Friday about the 4554 turnout mechanism. They still have some issues, and therefore decided to hold delivery.

One of their problems is compatibility with all track systems. A pretty big challenge imho.
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#148 Posted : 04 February 2007 23:02:38(UTC)
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Charlie, does the CS update require a hardware upgrade, as suggested in previous posts (maybe in one of the other 'CS Update' threads)?
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Offline Fredrik  
#149 Posted : 05 February 2007 03:53:44(UTC)
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The CS upgrade will require a hardware upgrade. The positive news is that what are to be built in is the "sniffer-unit", the S88-connection, and the (old 6015/6017) booster-connection. I.e. the very same unit is to be inserted that was already in the ECoS on delivery.

Software update will include route-control, commuter-trains, and touch-screen control of brake-squeeling and engine-stop (all engines broadcast), and the interface-protokoll will be released. As all this is already in the ECoS, how much is a guess worth, it will be almost (if not completely) identical?

Maybe the new "Government" of M* has established peace with ESU?
Fredrik.
*ECoS 2 + ECoSDetector + SwitchPilot + ECoSTerminal; *Z21 + Loconet + Digikeijs + MGP; **CS3+ + CdB (** coming soon...)
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#150 Posted : 05 February 2007 04:01:34(UTC)
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And according to Charlie's web site, the update will include the ability to program multiple turnout combinations.

So, the S88 interface will be in the CS, rather than having to buy a 60172 booster (not that you can as yet) for its S88 interface.

That's good news. biggrinbiggrin

So the choice between the CS and Ecos will be down to the CS has MFX, the Ecos has DCC.
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