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Offline moz  
#1 Posted : 06 July 2006 16:29:53(UTC)
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What do you guys use for smoke oil?
I don't mean the Marklin or Seuthe smoke oils, I'm interested to find out what alternative oils are out there.
I did read somewhere in this forum that lamp oil does the job.

What do you use? Does it work well?

Thanks
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Offline plutoodie  
#2 Posted : 06 July 2006 19:31:13(UTC)
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I'm using "Trix Modellbahn-Fluid (66624)" - this can be used both as a smoke oil and a track cleaner. Works great (then again - never tried anything else biggrin)
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Offline rschaffr  
#3 Posted : 06 July 2006 19:33:09(UTC)
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I've used Trix...works good. I am now working on a large bottle of Seuth oil. It works fine, too. I generally stay with the recommended products and don't use substitutes.
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Offline steventrain  
#4 Posted : 06 July 2006 20:16:57(UTC)
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I used the bottle of Seuthe smoke fuild.
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Offline Chrome  
#5 Posted : 06 July 2006 20:26:36(UTC)
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Followup question: I've always been worried that the smoke will leave a oily residue on the trains and wagon. Is that a problem? If so how quickly does it arise and how do you clean it?
Offline laalves  
#6 Posted : 06 July 2006 22:26:22(UTC)
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I use Conrad 217334 (www.conrad.de). Cheapest I could find.

I believe you can use simple liquid parafin which, if you can find it somewhere in a drugstore, should be even cheaper.

Luis
Offline rschaffr  
#7 Posted : 06 July 2006 22:29:53(UTC)
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Chrome: Never had a serious problem with residue. If I spill some when putting it in or see a build up, I just wipe it up with a soft cloth.
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Offline hmsfix  
#8 Posted : 06 July 2006 23:05:23(UTC)
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Prtesently I use Vollmer smoke oil, Nr. 4116, it's in a 250 ml bottle. No problem with residues here.

Smoke oil form Märklin, Trix, Seuthe, Conrad, Vollmer,... it's all the same, I think, produced by BASF, DuPont, Rhone-Poulenc etc.

I would strongly discourage to use lamp oil or some other organic liquid for the smokers, even it it works fine. However, we don't know whether there is benzene in. The guys who make the smoke oil have to do a very careful job in order to remove the benzene, as this is very toxic and even suspected to cause cancer.

I found that the 72270 needs about 60 mircoliters per minute (in a digital loco). So my 250 ml bottle should suffice for almost 3 days and nights of continuous smoker operation. biggrin

Hans Martin

Offline mattillini  
#9 Posted : 07 July 2006 04:13:41(UTC)
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Guy's what about Model Power Locomotive smoke? My local dealer recommeded it...It's still hard to put in the stack though...
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Offline xxup  
#10 Posted : 07 July 2006 04:56:51(UTC)
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Seuthe 106 for us...
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#11 Posted : 07 July 2006 05:12:23(UTC)
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A matter of taste! biggrin

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Offline moz  
#12 Posted : 07 July 2006 06:09:42(UTC)
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Thanks for your input.

Adrian,
where do you get your seuthe from?

moz
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Offline nevw  
#13 Posted : 07 July 2006 14:20:49(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Purellum
<br />A matter of taste! biggrin

Per.

Does it taste better than beer?? [}:)]biggrin
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Offline hmsfix  
#14 Posted : 07 July 2006 16:22:07(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Purellum
<br />A matter of taste! biggrin

Per.

Does it taste better than beer?? [}:)]biggrin
Nev


Depends on the beer! biggrin

But usually I keep the beer for myself and leave the oil for the smoke generator. This yields the best result for both.

Hans Martin
Offline grnwtrs  
#15 Posted : 07 July 2006 22:18:17(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by hmsfix
<br />
Smoke oil form Märklin, Trix, Seuthe, Conrad, Vollmer,... it's all the same, I think, produced by BASF, DuPont, Rhone-Poulenc etc.

I found that the 72270 needs about 60 mircoliters per minute (in a digital loco). So my 250 ml bottle should suffice for almost 3 days and nights of continuous smoker operation. biggrin

Hans Martin

Great info! I was wondering if the ma 72270 uses 60 micro liters per minute, does that imply that is the capacity, and then again, how does one measure 60 micro liters.

I had a bad habit of spilling the smoking oil until I started using the (for shame) LGB stuff ( # 50010, @ .25ml) I also discovered that I was able to secure the oil better, and didn't lose as much because I neglected to fasten the cap properly. IMHO

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Offline hmsfix  
#16 Posted : 08 July 2006 01:44:00(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by grnwtrs
<br />
Great info! I was wondering if the ma 72270 uses 60 micro liters per minute, does that imply that is the capacity, and then again, how does one measure 60 micro liters.

I had a bad habit of spilling the smoking oil until I started using the (for shame) LGB stuff ( # 50010, @ .25ml) I also discovered that I was able to secure the oil better, and didn't lose as much because I neglected to fasten the cap properly. IMHO



Gene, I had the same problem as you: I always spilled the smoke oil over the loco. These smoke oil bottles have some type of "filler" tube, but this is thing is a joke.

So I am now using a 5 ml syringe to inject the oil into the smoke generator, with a 6 cm long medical hollow needle (Huh, my dentist has once anesthetized my teeth using such a needle [:0]) I rasped the sharp tip of the needle off, so no danger any more.

Now I have perfect control over steam oil quantity, and nothing is spilled any more. I found that the optimal quantity of steam oil is 150 - 200 microliter. This is sufficient for about 3 minutes of smoke. so I estimated the 60 microliter per minute. Filling more steam oil will drown the heater filament, so you won't get any smoke.

BTW beer consumption per minute is higher, naturally Cool

Hans Martin
Offline john black  
#17 Posted : 08 July 2006 13:06:00(UTC)
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<br />Huh, my dentist has once anesthetized my teeth using such a needle [:0]

Brrr ... [xx(][:0][B)]biggrin
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Offline steventrain  
#18 Posted : 08 July 2006 20:14:44(UTC)
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Offline mattillini  
#19 Posted : 12 July 2006 21:47:21(UTC)
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"This is sufficient for about 3 minutes of smoke."

Is this typical of how long must engines smoke? I had my BR50 repaired with the suethe smoke and it usually last that long, probably shorter if I timed it. Just curious......
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Offline Guus  
#20 Posted : 12 July 2006 22:06:49(UTC)
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Wow didn't know there was so much to tell on smoke oil.

Hope you don't mind me joking,but could you recommend a vintage oil for special occasions [:o)]wink.Just like there are good years and not so good years for wine.

Kind regards
Guus
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Offline hmsfix  
#21 Posted : 12 July 2006 23:41:45(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Guus
<br />
Hope you don't mind me joking,but could you recommend a vintage oil for special occasions [:o)]wink.Just like there are good years and not so good years for wine.


Cabernet Sauvignon smoke oil ? Or even "Huile du Vapeur Chateau Neuf du Pape". Hmm, and when the bottle is empty you'll have a terrible head ache.[:o)]

But they should develop a smoke oil for black smoke, as the smoke on real steam locos. This would be a true innovation.

Hans Martin
Offline Guus  
#22 Posted : 13 July 2006 00:12:45(UTC)
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Maybe some Coal Ila whiskey wil do.

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Offline Along  
#23 Posted : 13 July 2006 02:59:39(UTC)
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The basic ingredient of smoke oil is propylene glycol. I don´t know if it´s mixed with water. It´s not necessary that it be p.a (pro analyse).Best regards.
Offline jaivh  
#24 Posted : 23 May 2007 00:03:49(UTC)
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Is there anything special a person has to do once you have added the liquid smoke to the locomotive to get it to start smoking?
Offline Sander van Wijk  
#25 Posted : 23 May 2007 00:16:03(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by jaivh
<br />Is there anything special a person has to do once you have added the liquid smoke to the locomotive to get it to start smoking?


Except for switching on the smoke generator, nothing. A lot of Märklin models are as you may know build to be easily equipped with a smoke generator and already have a contact for this retrofit generator. Usually switched on (in digital) by f1 or in the new system, by one of the function-keys.
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#26 Posted : 23 May 2007 00:44:20(UTC)
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And, if you want to solve some of the quizzes in the forum, inhalation of smoke oil is recommended... winkbiggrinbiggrinbiggrin
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Offline Macfire  
#27 Posted : 27 May 2007 03:38:02(UTC)
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Per.

Does it taste better than beer?? [}:)]biggrin
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Tastes better than Fosters
Speights on the other hand - far superior biggrinbiggrinbiggrin
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Offline DaleSchultz  
#28 Posted : 27 May 2007 03:59:01(UTC)
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I understand that the slide lubricant used by brass instrument players (Eg Trumpet) is the same stuff.
I have bought a bottle of 'Blue Juice' valve oil but have not yet tried it.
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#29 Posted : 27 May 2007 06:44:24(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Macfire
<br />Tastes better than Fosters
Speights on the other hand - far superior biggrinbiggrinbiggrin
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My dishwater would taste better than Fosters.......

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Offline nevw  
#30 Posted : 27 May 2007 08:22:41(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz
<br />
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Macfire
<br />Tastes better than Fosters
Speights on the other hand - far superior biggrinbiggrinbiggrin
Tony


My dishwater would taste better than Fosters.......

Speights - Pride of the South for over 100 years.


Who Drinks Fosters or Speights (what ever that is.) wink biggrin XXXX here pleaseCoolSmile[:p][:p][:p][:p]
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#31 Posted : 27 May 2007 12:27:01(UTC)
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Speights (what ever that is.)



Speights - A popular New Zealand Beer , brewed in Dunedin, hence the slogan "Pride of the South for over 100 years". Good on yer Mate!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speight's

Not sure if you can use it for Marklin smoke oil though!
Offline nevw  
#32 Posted : 28 May 2007 02:43:31(UTC)
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Here we are back to food and Booze.

biggrinbiggrinbiggrin[:p]
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#33 Posted : 29 May 2007 11:21:19(UTC)
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You guys got no idea. Heineken rulezzz ... [:p][:p][:p][:p][:p][:p]

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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#34 Posted : 29 May 2007 12:31:14(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw
<br />Here we are back to food and Booze.

biggrinbiggrinbiggrin[:p]


Nowt wrong with that.......toss in some MMRR and you have the perfect mix.
Offline nevw  
#35 Posted : 29 May 2007 12:39:22(UTC)
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<br />
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw
<br />Here we are back to food and Booze.

biggrinbiggrinbiggrin[:p]


Nowt wrong with that.......toss in some MMRR and you have the perfect mix.

Just watch it . When you arrive we may serve U up some EMU or even Coopers brewed in the Bottle. Now both of them are recycled beer.
[}:)][}:)]biggrinbiggrin
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#36 Posted : 29 May 2007 12:41:06(UTC)
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Offline dntower85  
#37 Posted : 29 May 2007 16:55:28(UTC)
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Will a seuthe smoke generator get damaged if it runs out of smoke oil?
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#38 Posted : 29 May 2007 17:46:36(UTC)
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I'm sorry, but you're going off topic. We're talking about beer here!biggrin
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#39 Posted : 29 May 2007 18:02:24(UTC)
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Offline H0  
#40 Posted : 29 May 2007 18:14:32(UTC)
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So I am now using a 5 ml syringe to inject the oil into the smoke generator, with a 6 cm long medical hollow needle (Huh, my dentist has once anesthetized my teeth using such a needle [:0]) I rasped the sharp tip of the needle off, so no danger any more.

If you buy Seuthe smoke generators you will get a syringe to fill the smoke generator.
I think it's a 2 ml syringe; you need max. 0.2 ml for one load, so you can store 10 loads in the syringe.

I started with M* smoke generators - they tell you to fill the smoke generator with 6 drops. That gave me a hard time - especially with my 250 ml Seuthe bottle...
Then I bought a Seuthe smoke generator: they included a syringe and the information to fill 0.2 ml per load.

Will have to look-up the Seuthe part number if someone is interested.
Regards
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