Hi guys

In another post ( 60215 and 60175: I don't understand) in which I mentioned the presence of a message, Wolfgang suggested that I buy a cs3 and keep the cs2 as a''booster''.

My answer was no. That was a few hours ago.

This morning the idea of buying the cs3 starts to sprout.

If I buy it, I resell the cs2 because I already have 2 boosters but I'm not yet at this stage.

I need more information.

I want to know the differences between cs3 + (60216) and cs3 (60226)

I also own the software Itrain (PC). So the particularity of the TCO by cs3 is not necessary

I have the idea that the presence of the Itrain software would lead me to the cs3 60226 (it's still $200 less).

Don't forget that the cs2 was the support of Itrain.

The purchase will depend on what Mike tells me about the message in the other post

I would like to know your opinion


Thank you

Thewolf

Thank you David

Only one question for you :

Do you have a software like Itrain, Rocrail, Traincontroller...?

Me, I have Itrain and I am convinced that this will play a role in the choice of a possible cs3. In any case, the Central Station, even the most sophisticated, is only the support of the software.

But it's not easy to decide because I'm not a specialist

Thewolf

If you have CS3 (60226) you can add an L88 to the CAN-bus. It is actually the same thing as an l88, but with more connectivity. So it is not necessary to buy CS3 Plus to use s88!

If using S88s then look at the added cost to a CS3 which then is little difference to the CS3 Plus.

Hi guys

This thread is finished.

I don't buy a new cs3.

I solved the problem... I think so, but at first sight it should work... already the message doesn't appear anymore.

Relax now

Thewolf

Huch Serge,

you are changing your mind and open new threads quicker as I can answer your questions. In one thread I wrote you, I read in a CS 2 manual that a booster is registering automatically at a CS 2.

Keep cool it is Winter! Last Winter (a year ago) you already wanted to sell all your Märklin stuff first time. Do you remember? Now you started this magificent new layout - hello - this has to be finished first before you are allowed to sell all your stuff.

Cheers

Wolfgang

Hello Serge,

I don't think you need to buy a CS3/CS3+, especially for S88 connections.

If you want to get rid of the 1st S88 connection with flat ribbon, from CS to LDT #1, then the solution is a L88.
The output from L88-Bus1 is then connected to LDT #1, and you use everywhere ethernet cables for S88 daisy-chain bus.

This is what I just did on TrossingenIII, with my CS60214. The tests done at the end of TrossingenII where successful with such a configuration, except for L88 switch set at 12V. Let the switch set to 5V.

A connection diagram in Ascii art:

CS<->Terminal<+>L88 (Bus1)<->LDT#1<->LDT#2... and so on.
.................<+>Booster1....
.................<+>Booster2....

Don't throw your RM88NO to the bin !!!

You still have to check how Itrain is able to manage L88. With Rocrail it is simple: I have to enter the L88 "Id" in "bus" field, then use addresses starting at 1001 for bus1, etc...

Cheers
Fabrice

Wolfgang

Ouais...pis ?

There is nothing more annoying when you have to look for the information you need when it is simple to deliver it automatically.

The user manuals for each Marklin digital item are problematic in many ways because they are incomplete.

Let me explain: in the case of my 2 boosters, it seems that connecting 2 boosters 60175 with two 60145 terminals is a problem when connecting with a cs2 60215.

Either I have a problem with my cs2 or it can't work.

I would like to point out that the connection (pins) of the cable 60126 do not correspond to the connection 60173 of the cs2.

It is therefore necessary to connect to another output of the cs2 which is the one next to the Ethernet output and this is THE PROBLEM: it does not work.

I could thus avoid my "pétages de coche " as we say in Quebec

In conclusion, I only have one booster instead of 2, the top and level 0 will be separated. I would have preferred the network to be divided into 3 but....for now I'll do with the cs2 and only one booster

So I have a 60175 booster, 2 terminals 60145 and 3 cables 60126 in addition.

I could sell them but I keep them... because the cs2 will go to Mike's in a few months during the summer. I'm sure she has a problem with the back connections.

I am still convinced that I can go back to my configuration of 2 boosters with terminals with my old cs2.


To conclude Wolfgang never forgets that with my money I go where I want, when I want and I dispose of what belongs to me as I see fit. So changing my mind as I see fit is my

right.This is said in all friendship and respect

Have a nice day and your help is very appreciated. You're an expert on information.

Serge

Hi Fabrice

You are right and i agree with you

Yesterday afternoon, I was sure I was buying a new cs3.

Last night, I said no.

This morning, I'm staying with my old cs2 and she's going to go for a little walk in the summer at Mike's for the problem described in my previous comments

Have a nice day

Serge

Hi David

Personally, all I want is for Marklin to improve access to the information necessary for the smooth running of his products.

I worked for nothing, reviewed my budget with a view to buying a cs3, spent hours doing research, doing tests... for nothing because somewhere I was lacking information. I'm not an engineer or a Marklin technician. I'd like Marklin to take that into account.

Apart from that Marklin is my brand and I have little rolling stock of other brands: 1 Brawa steamer, 1 Roc loco that I will receive and 8 or 9 Roco passengers cars

Thewolf

Thank you Francisco

I read it quickly. I knew yesterday that it was a software problem and heard as you write that downgrades by internet seem impossible, it is up to Marklin's house to solve this bug.

Mike my dealer was warned yesterday of the big problem I had and I will send him my cs2 in the spring for the return to Germany.

Not before: winter is the train and I need it. In summer I'm out there they can keep it for 4 months if they want, as long as the damn bug is fixed.

About the cost, Marklin will bear the costs. I'm not the cause of the problem, they are. Pay ostie de tabarnak !! oups


And now it's solved your problem?

Serge

Hi, yes, solved until it will appear again.
But I new problem arises, when connecting a 60145 for mire slave units, the C5 becomes unresponsive....
No more throttles for now, I will just enjoy the layout construction
Regards

Hi Francisco

It's weird that you're telling me about 60145. At first, I thought that was the source of my problem with boosters. What bothers me is that I can't test the reliability of these 60145s (I have two)

Serge

Well, my conclusion was that a 60226 was the best choice for my demand. I don’t see any need to network my CS3 anytime soon, and if so I would get a CS3 Plus as the next unit. I didn’t have any s88 so I just bought the L88 as my first accessory.

If you really need the extra features of a CS3 Plus - then it’s an obvious choice. CS3 and CS3 Plus are identical in performance.

No, only the first device must be the S88 link from Marklin, you can use standard S88 modules after that (such as LDT).

It does mean if you already have your S88 modules then you must factor in the cost of a link S88 on top of the CS3 in comparison to the CS3+

Hi Wolfgang

I don't think I wrote, said or stated that I wanted to couple a cs2 to a cs3 or cs3+.

All my thoughts are based on the possible replacement of the cs2.

If I have to replace it, the cs2 will be resold.

There will be no question of mating another cs later, whether it is 3, 4 or 55.

But as Mike suggested, let's wait to see the results of his tests on the cs2 that's on the way to his store. His suggestion only confirmed my initial impression about a possible cs3 or cs3+: the purchase will depend on the test results, I wrote it down.

Once again, your many reference links have allowed me to enrich my library and I thank you for that.

About whether the 60226 has galvanic isolation as claimed by a member of a French-speaking Marklin forum, I sent an email to Mike. I await his answer

As you know quite a few links about Marklin, I read in one of them that there was a book by Marklin on digital: book 03092.

Do you know if it is available in French? As French is considered as the language of the poor, I don't think so, but you never know

Have a nice day

Thewolf

The 60226 does NOT have galvanic isolation, despite what the French website says. That's made plain in Marklins literature when it comes to using it as a slave device to a master cs.



As far as I know it was only ever available on German. I think it was a 'get a book out while we wait for the cs3' effort to quell the requests for information.

Thanks, because seeing your first iTrain picture, I thought it means Tracks-Canadian-Overview But your iTrain picture in French I do not understand. I have forgotten all my French knowleges I learnt at school decades ago. To copy it into my translating machine does not function either.

First, the book 03092 "Controlling Digitally with the Central Station 3" is only in German and English available.

Second, if you want to sell your CS 2, do not forget, you even can use a CS 2 as a booster. So the selling price should always be higher than to buy a booster - of course always including the power supply - if you do not want loose money.

Keeping a CS 2 gives you always a redundancy for your Märklin layout. I do this with my 2 MS 2 and track box. Actually I only need one MS 2. I plug it into my CS 3. But sometimes, I take the other one with the track box and let trains run rigth across the kitchen table.

Third, Alan is correct. Märklin's CS 3 60226 has no galvanic insulation. Beside Märklins documantation I discussed this with an Märklin offical at a digital day of Märklin and he approved it.

Anyway no further link so you get a nice weekend.

HdiC (= Happy days in Canada)
Yes, today we got snow in northern Bavaria too. But of course not the 3 meters as in the Southern part of Bavaria, Austria and Switzerland. The development there is getting critical now. Probably all a problem of the climate change, although we have Winter in Germany.

TEEWolf

Wolfgang you are right about the cs2 .

But in view of my last comment, I'm going to keep it and I'm getting old to start buying a cs3 in 2-3 years.

My future is behind me. If I have 20 years left to live, it will be with my cs2 and...trips across Canada.

As for the snow, the snowblower went out 3 days in a row to my house ( 30 cms in 2 1/2 days and 2 night storms)

Thewolf

Please check out this link for more information Worth knowing About CS3. The CS3 can only be used as a stand-alone controller or as a Master. That’s why you can only have one. But you can connect as many CS3 plus as you want to it.