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Offline Thewolf  
#1 Posted : 26 December 2018 14:51:42(UTC)
Thewolf

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Hi guys Cool

In another post ( 60215 and 60175: I don't understand) in which I mentioned the presence of a message, Wolfgang suggested that I buy a cs3 and keep the cs2 as a''booster''.

My answer was no. That was a few hours ago.

This morning the idea of buying the cs3 starts to sprout.

If I buy it, I resell the cs2 because I already have 2 boosters but I'm not yet at this stage.

I need more information.

I want to know the differences between cs3 + (60216) and cs3 (60226)

I also own the software Itrain (PC). So the particularity of the TCO by cs3 is not necessary

I have the idea that the presence of the Itrain software would lead me to the cs3 60226 (it's still $200 less).

Don't forget that the cs2 was the support of Itrain.

The purchase will depend on what Mike tells me about the message in the other post

I would like to know your opinion


Thank you

Thewolf
Project Laurentides-Neudstadt-CS2-Track C- Itrain-Digital
Offline David Dewar  
#2 Posted : 26 December 2018 15:49:00(UTC)
David Dewar

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Just got my CS3 PLus. So far only registered some locos but it looks good. Plus has a direct connection for the S88 and saves buying a Link etc.
No idea what I train is as I don't mix things by other manufacturers with Marklin ...no reason why not of course.

Buy the Marklin book on the CS3 (Plus) and that will give you information which is essential.
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
Offline Thewolf  
#3 Posted : 26 December 2018 16:05:45(UTC)
Thewolf

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Originally Posted by: David Dewar Go to Quoted Post
Just got my CS3 PLus. So far only registered some locos but it looks good. Plus has a direct connection for the S88 and saves buying a Link etc.
No idea what I train is as I don't mix things by other manufacturers with Marklin ...no reason why not of course.

Buy the Marklin book on the CS3 (Plus) and that will give you information which is essential.


Thank you David Cool

Only one question for you :

Do you have a software like Itrain, Rocrail, Traincontroller...?

Me, I have Itrain and I am convinced that this will play a role in the choice of a possible cs3. In any case, the Central Station, even the most sophisticated, is only the support of the software.

But it's not easy to decide because I'm not a specialist

Thewolf
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Offline Thewolf  
#4 Posted : 26 December 2018 16:51:44(UTC)
Thewolf

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Hello guys Cool

It takes shape. Cool

If I change, I'll go for 60226.

Why?

The 60216 has its S88 connection integrated. This is great for those who don't have any S88 feedback equipment like me.

I have 6 s88-feedback buses from LDT and from what I have read, especially on the 3 rails forum in French, I can throw these decoders in the trash.

Is it true ?

But before I have things to do with the cs2: disconnect the 60126, reboot the cs2, check for updates (I may have to re-download the last update that was made at the time: I read about this on stummi (link sent by Wolfgang)) and check if electric power on rails

Thewolf
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Offline kgsjoqvist  
#5 Posted : 26 December 2018 19:04:25(UTC)
kgsjoqvist

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Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post
Hello guys Cool

It takes shape. Cool

If I change, I'll go for 60226.

Why?

The 60216 has its S88 connection integrated. This is great for those who don't have any S88 feedback equipment like me.

I have 6 s88-feedback buses from LDT and from what I have read, especially on the 3 rails forum in French, I can throw these decoders in the trash.

Is it true ?

But before I have things to do with the cs2: disconnect the 60126, reboot the cs2, check for updates (I may have to re-download the last update that was made at the time: I read about this on stummi (link sent by Wolfgang)) and check if electric power on rails

Thewolf


If you have CS3 (60226) you can add an L88 to the CAN-bus. It is actually the same thing as an l88, but with more connectivity. So it is not necessary to buy CS3 Plus to use s88!
K-G / H0 and Z model train user
Offline Danlake  
#6 Posted : 26 December 2018 19:40:23(UTC)
Danlake

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Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post
Hi guys Cool

In another post ( 60215 and 60175: I don't understand) in which I mentioned the presence of a message, Wolfgang suggested that I buy a cs3 and keep the cs2 as a''booster''.

My answer was no. That was a few hours ago.

This morning the idea of buying the cs3 starts to sprout.

If I buy it, I resell the cs2 because I already have 2 boosters but I'm not yet at this stage.

I need more information.

I want to know the differences between cs3 + (60216) and cs3 (60226)

I also own the software Itrain (PC). So the particularity of the TCO by cs3 is not necessary

I have the idea that the presence of the Itrain software would lead me to the cs3 60226 (it's still $200 less).

Don't forget that the cs2 was the support of Itrain.

The purchase will depend on what Mike tells me about the message in the other post

I would like to know your opinion


Thank you

Thewolf


If you need info about difference between CS3 and C3+ I don’t think anybody wrote it better than Soren in this blog:

http://railway.zone/post...d-central-station-3-plus

Best Regards
Lasse
Digital 11m2 layout / C (M&K) tracks / Era IV / CS3 60226 / Train Controller Gold 9 with 4D sound. Mainly Danish and German Locomotives.
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Offline David Dewar  
#7 Posted : 26 December 2018 23:36:38(UTC)
David Dewar

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If using S88s then look at the added cost to a CS3 which then is little difference to the CS3 Plus.
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
Offline Thewolf  
#8 Posted : 27 December 2018 00:47:18(UTC)
Thewolf

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Originally Posted by: David Dewar Go to Quoted Post
If using S88s then look at the added cost to a CS3 which then is little difference to the CS3 Plus.


Hi David Cool

I worked with LDT equipment for feedbacks , specially the RM-88-N-O (16-fold Feedback Module with galvanic separated Opto-coupling-Inputs)

The cs3 60226 will be enough for me, if I decide to buy it.

Currently I still refuse the possibility of buying a cs3 (60226 or 60216)

I checked right and left above and below ("figure of speech"). It's a software problem.

But basically the cs2 manual doesn't even provide information on how to configure a booster in the cs2 menu.

All the manual says is: "You can check the temperature and amperage value in the setup-info menu, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but how to add the booster to the list....my ass..., we're looking for it...and we have nothing.

The update is successful but the problem persists. So fuck you Marklin.

Marklin has become a $ abyss it was already an expensive hobby it will become a hobby for the rich.

I think I'm going to sell it all. I'm sick of it.

Bye

Thewolf







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Offline Thewolf  
#9 Posted : 27 December 2018 01:16:32(UTC)
Thewolf

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Hi guys Cool

This thread is finished.

I don't buy a new cs3.

I solved the problem... I think so, but at first sight it should work... already the message doesn't appear anymore.

Relax now

Thewolf
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Offline TEEWolf  
#10 Posted : 27 December 2018 04:30:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post
Hi guys Cool

In another post ( 60215 and 60175: I don't understand) in which I mentioned the presence of a message, Wolfgang suggested that I buy a cs3 and keep the cs2 as a''booster''.

My answer was no. That was a few hours ago.

This morning the idea of buying the cs3 starts to sprout.

If I buy it, I resell the cs2 because I already have 2 boosters but I'm not yet at this stage.

I need more information.

I want to know the differences between cs3 + (60216) and cs3 (60226)

I also own the software Itrain (PC). So the particularity of the TCO by cs3 is not necessary

I have the idea that the presence of the Itrain software would lead me to the cs3 60226 (it's still $200 less).

Don't forget that the cs2 was the support of Itrain.

The purchase will depend on what Mike tells me about the message in the other post

I would like to know your opinion


Thank you

Thewolf


Hello Serge,

the major difference between a CS 3 and CS 3 plus is the galavanic insulation of a CS 3+, which a CS 3 does not have. Your CS 2 (60215) has also a galvanic insulation inside. There you are using boosters already, I think a CS 3+ will be the better choice for you. You have to build up a CAN bus always. For a CAN bus a CS 3+ is the only choice. Read also this new Märklin information in French I sent you the link.

Also more information in other posts here at MUN, e.g.

https://www.marklin-user...CS3-vs-CS3--which-to-get

https://www.marklin-user...911-repair-of-broken-CS2

https://www.marklin-user...-CS3-to-CS2-connectivity

Best regards

Wolfgang
CS 3 is a controller system from Märklin - not a central station.
Offline TEEWolf  
#11 Posted : 27 December 2018 04:46:28(UTC)
TEEWolf

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Huch Serge,

you are changing your mind and open new threads quicker as I can answer your questions. In one thread I wrote you, I read in a CS 2 manual that a booster is registering automatically at a CS 2.Cool

Keep cool it is Winter! Last Winter (a year ago) you already wanted to sell all your Märklin stuff first time. Do you remember? Now you started this magificent new layout - hello - this has to be finished first before you are allowed to sell all your stuff.Blink Laugh

Cheers

Wolfgang

CS 3 is a controller system from Märklin - not a central station.
Offline franciscohg  
#12 Posted : 27 December 2018 05:04:11(UTC)
franciscohg

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Oh, but i fully understand him. In an older thread about the same software bug I was seriously thinking of throwing the 60215 trough the window.
The bug is present since an early 3.x version and seems to be here to stay. That is really annoying.
I truly miss an option to just format the whole CS2, reboot it from a USB and reinstall the whole software again.
Regards
UserPostedImage German trains era I-II and selected III, era depends on the mood, mostly Maerklin but i can be heretic if needed XD, heresy is no longer an issue.. LOL
Offline French_Fabrice  
#13 Posted : 27 December 2018 08:43:10(UTC)
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Hello Serge,

I don't think you need to buy a CS3/CS3+, especially for S88 connections.

If you want to get rid of the 1st S88 connection with flat ribbon, from CS to LDT #1, then the solution is a L88.
The output from L88-Bus1 is then connected to LDT #1, and you use everywhere ethernet cables for S88 daisy-chain bus.

This is what I just did on TrossingenIII, with my CS60214. The tests done at the end of TrossingenII where successful with such a configuration, except for L88 switch set at 12V. Let the switch set to 5V.

A connection diagram in Ascii art:

CS<->Terminal<+>L88 (Bus1)<->LDT#1<->LDT#2... and so on.
.................<+>Booster1....
.................<+>Booster2....

Don't throw your RM88NO to the bin !!!

You still have to check how Itrain is able to manage L88. With Rocrail it is simple: I have to enter the L88 "Id" in "bus" field, then use addresses starting at 1001 for bus1, etc...

Cheers
Fabrice
Offline Thewolf  
#14 Posted : 27 December 2018 13:16:03(UTC)
Thewolf

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Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post
Hi guys Cool

In another post ( 60215 and 60175: I don't understand) in which I mentioned the presence of a message, Wolfgang suggested that I buy a cs3 and keep the cs2 as a''booster''.

My answer was no. That was a few hours ago.

This morning the idea of buying the cs3 starts to sprout.

If I buy it, I resell the cs2 because I already have 2 boosters but I'm not yet at this stage.

I need more information.

I want to know the differences between cs3 + (60216) and cs3 (60226)

I also own the software Itrain (PC). So the particularity of the TCO by cs3 is not necessary

I have the idea that the presence of the Itrain software would lead me to the cs3 60226 (it's still $200 less).

Don't forget that the cs2 was the support of Itrain.

The purchase will depend on what Mike tells me about the message in the other post

I would like to know your opinion


Thank you

Thewolf


Hello Serge,

the major difference between a CS 3 and CS 3 plus is the galavanic insulation of a CS 3+, which a CS 3 does not have. Your CS 2 (60215) has also a galvanic insulation inside. There you are using boosters already, I think a CS 3+ will be the better choice for you. You have to build up a CAN bus always. For a CAN bus a CS 3+ is the only choice. Read also this new Märklin information in French I sent you the link.

Also more information in other posts here at MUN, e.g.

https://www.marklin-user...CS3-vs-CS3--which-to-get

https://www.marklin-user...911-repair-of-broken-CS2

https://www.marklin-user...-CS3-to-CS2-connectivity

Best regards

Wolfgang


Thank you Wolfgang Cool

Very appreciated... but it will be for my library. No new cs3s in sight at the moment.

Serge

Project Laurentides-Neudstadt-CS2-Track C- Itrain-Digital
Offline Thewolf  
#15 Posted : 27 December 2018 13:46:08(UTC)
Thewolf

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Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post
Huch Serge,

you are changing your mind and open new threads quicker as I can answer your questions. In one thread I wrote you, I read in a CS 2 manual that a booster is registering automatically at a CS 2.Cool

Keep cool it is Winter! Last Winter (a year ago) you already wanted to sell all your Märklin stuff first time. Do you remember? Now you started this magificent new layout - hello - this has to be finished first before you are allowed to sell all your stuff.Blink Laugh

Cheers

Wolfgang



Wolfgang Cool

Ouais...pis ? BigGrin

There is nothing more annoying when you have to look for the information you need when it is simple to deliver it automatically.

The user manuals for each Marklin digital item are problematic in many ways because they are incomplete.

Let me explain: in the case of my 2 boosters, it seems that connecting 2 boosters 60175 with two 60145 terminals is a problem when connecting with a cs2 60215.

Either I have a problem with my cs2 or it can't work.

I would like to point out that the connection (pins) of the cable 60126 do not correspond to the connection 60173 of the cs2.

It is therefore necessary to connect to another output of the cs2 which is the one next to the Ethernet output and this is THE PROBLEM: it does not work.

I could thus avoid my "pétages de coche " as we say in Quebec

In conclusion, I only have one booster instead of 2, the top and level 0 will be separated. I would have preferred the network to be divided into 3 but....for now I'll do with the cs2 and only one booster

So I have a 60175 booster, 2 terminals 60145 and 3 cables 60126 in addition.

I could sell them but I keep them... because the cs2 will go to Mike's in a few months during the summer. I'm sure she has a problem with the back connections.

I am still convinced that I can go back to my configuration of 2 boosters with terminals with my old cs2.


To conclude Wolfgang never forgets that with my money I go where I want, when I want and I dispose of what belongs to me as I see fit. So changing my mind as I see fit is my

right.This is said in all friendship and respect BigGrin

Have a nice day and your help is very appreciated. You're an expert on information.

Serge
Project Laurentides-Neudstadt-CS2-Track C- Itrain-Digital
Offline Thewolf  
#16 Posted : 27 December 2018 13:54:49(UTC)
Thewolf

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Originally Posted by: franciscohg Go to Quoted Post
Oh, but i fully understand him. In an older thread about the same software bug I was seriously thinking of throwing the 60215 trough the window.
The bug is present since an early 3.x version and seems to be here to stay. That is really annoying.
I truly miss an option to just format the whole CS2, reboot it from a USB and reinstall the whole software again.
Regards


Hi Francisco Cool

Did you have the same problem?

If so, how did you solve it?

Thewolf
Project Laurentides-Neudstadt-CS2-Track C- Itrain-Digital
Offline Thewolf  
#17 Posted : 27 December 2018 13:58:48(UTC)
Thewolf

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Originally Posted by: French_Fabrice Go to Quoted Post
Hello Serge,

I don't think you need to buy a CS3/CS3+, especially for S88 connections.

If you want to get rid of the 1st S88 connection with flat ribbon, from CS to LDT #1, then the solution is a L88.
The output from L88-Bus1 is then connected to LDT #1, and you use everywhere ethernet cables for S88 daisy-chain bus.

This is what I just did on TrossingenIII, with my CS60214. The tests done at the end of TrossingenII where successful with such a configuration, except for L88 switch set at 12V. Let the switch set to 5V.

A connection diagram in Ascii art:

CS<->Terminal<+>L88 (Bus1)<->LDT#1<->LDT#2... and so on.
.................<+>Booster1....
.................<+>Booster2....

Don't throw your RM88NO to the bin !!!

You still have to check how Itrain is able to manage L88. With Rocrail it is simple: I have to enter the L88 "Id" in "bus" field, then use addresses starting at 1001 for bus1, etc...

Cheers
Fabrice


Hi Fabrice Cool

You are right and i agree with you

Yesterday afternoon, I was sure I was buying a new cs3.Crying

Last night, I said no.

This morning, I'm staying with my old cs2 and she's going to go for a little walk in the summer at Mike's for the problem described in my previous comments

Have a nice day

Serge
Project Laurentides-Neudstadt-CS2-Track C- Itrain-Digital
Offline David Dewar  
#18 Posted : 27 December 2018 15:23:59(UTC)
David Dewar

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Can I just add that Santa gave me my CS3 Plus. I am keeping my CS2. The new controller fired up and I my Marklin locos and then two Brawas were running on the layout within 15 mins. To be fair it will probably take me some time to set up turnouts and events etc.

I only buy anything that is reliable including cars etc and that is why I buy Marklin. I have not looked to see what software is loaded and if it is up to date and providing everything works as I want then that is OK.


If I have a fault with the controller I will not be slow in saying so but if it is a good as the Cs2 I will be happy. Now off to connect the S88 and see how that goes.

As I have said I will not use anything other than Marklin items with the CS3 which although should be OK I see no reason to.

Nobody should be out off buying Marklin because some don't like the brand and take every opportunity to tell us. My view is if you don't like it then don't buy it.
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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Offline Thewolf  
#19 Posted : 27 December 2018 16:37:38(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: David Dewar Go to Quoted Post
Can I just add that Santa gave me my CS3 Plus. I am keeping my CS2. The new controller fired up and I my Marklin locos and then two Brawas were running on the layout within 15 mins. To be fair it will probably take me some time to set up turnouts and events etc.

I only buy anything that is reliable including cars etc and that is why I buy Marklin. I have not looked to see what software is loaded and if it is up to date and providing everything works as I want then that is OK.


If I have a fault with the controller I will not be slow in saying so but if it is a good as the Cs2 I will be happy. Now off to connect the S88 and see how that goes.

As I have said I will not use anything other than Marklin items with the CS3 which although should be OK I see no reason to.

Nobody should be out off buying Marklin because some don't like the brand and take every opportunity to tell us. My view is if you don't like it then don't buy it.


Hi David Cool

Personally, all I want is for Marklin to improve access to the information necessary for the smooth running of his products.

I worked for nothing, reviewed my budget with a view to buying a cs3, spent hours doing research, doing tests... for nothing because somewhere I was lacking information. I'm not an engineer or a Marklin technician. I'd like Marklin to take that into account.

Apart from that Marklin is my brand and I have little rolling stock of other brands: 1 Brawa steamer, 1 Roc loco that I will receive and 8 or 9 Roco passengers cars

Thewolf
Project Laurentides-Neudstadt-CS2-Track C- Itrain-Digital
Offline franciscohg  
#20 Posted : 27 December 2018 19:54:02(UTC)
franciscohg

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Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: franciscohg Go to Quoted Post
Oh, but i fully understand him. In an older thread about the same software bug I was seriously thinking of throwing the 60215 trough the window.
The bug is present since an early 3.x version and seems to be here to stay. That is really annoying.
I truly miss an option to just format the whole CS2, reboot it from a USB and reinstall the whole software again.
Regards


Hi Francisco Cool

Did you have the same problem?

If so, how did you solve it?

Thewolf



Hi, yes i had/have it.
checking old post it seems to have appeared in 3.01 update back in 2013. Since then it appears randomly, so it has not been solved in later upgrades.
The solving procedure has always been several cycles of reset/update. Not on a regular pattern, sometimes just unplugging the unit from the power without quitting is enough.
BTW, i am Francisco in FB

https://www.marklin-user...oes-this-happen-too-much

There is the original post back in 2013, i have used downgrades several times but sadly this is not possible anymore.
Regards
UserPostedImage German trains era I-II and selected III, era depends on the mood, mostly Maerklin but i can be heretic if needed XD, heresy is no longer an issue.. LOL
Offline Thewolf  
#21 Posted : 27 December 2018 20:39:36(UTC)
Thewolf

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Originally Posted by: franciscohg Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: franciscohg Go to Quoted Post
Oh, but i fully understand him. In an older thread about the same software bug I was seriously thinking of throwing the 60215 trough the window.
The bug is present since an early 3.x version and seems to be here to stay. That is really annoying.
I truly miss an option to just format the whole CS2, reboot it from a USB and reinstall the whole software again.
Regards


Hi Francisco Cool

Did you have the same problem?

If so, how did you solve it?

Thewolf



Hi, yes i had/have it.
checking old post it seems to have appeared in 3.01 update back in 2013. Since then it appears randomly, so it has not been solved in later upgrades.
The solving procedure has always been several cycles of reset/update. Not on a regular pattern, sometimes just unplugging the unit from the power without quitting is enough.
BTW, i am Francisco in FB

https://www.marklin-user...oes-this-happen-too-much

There is the original post back in 2013, i have used downgrades several times but sadly this is not possible anymore.
Regards

Thank you Francisco Cool

I read it quickly. I knew yesterday that it was a software problem and heard as you write that downgrades by internet seem impossible, it is up to Marklin's house to solve this bug.

Mike my dealer was warned yesterday of the big problem I had and I will send him my cs2 in the spring for the return to Germany.

Not before: winter is the train and I need it. In summer I'm out there they can keep it for 4 months if they want, as long as the damn bug is fixed.

About the cost, Marklin will bear the costs. I'm not the cause of the problem, they are. Pay ostie de tabarnak !! oups Blushing


And now it's solved your problem?

Serge
Project Laurentides-Neudstadt-CS2-Track C- Itrain-Digital
Offline David Dewar  
#22 Posted : 27 December 2018 23:19:34(UTC)
David Dewar

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Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: David Dewar Go to Quoted Post
Can I just add that Santa gave me my CS3 Plus. I am keeping my CS2. The new controller fired up and I my Marklin locos and then two Brawas were running on the layout within 15 mins. To be fair it will probably take me some time to set up turnouts and events etc.

I only buy anything that is reliable including cars etc and that is why I buy Marklin. I have not looked to see what software is loaded and if it is up to date and providing everything works as I want then that is OK.


If I have a fault with the controller I will not be slow in saying so but if it is a good as the Cs2 I will be happy. Now off to connect the S88 and see how that goes.

As I have said I will not use anything other than Marklin items with the CS3 which although should be OK I see no reason to.

Nobody should be out off buying Marklin because some don't like the brand and take every opportunity to tell us. My view is if you don't like it then don't buy it.


Hi David Cool

Personally, all I want is for Marklin to improve access to the information necessary for the smooth running of his products.

I worked for nothing, reviewed my budget with a view to buying a cs3, spent hours doing research, doing tests... for nothing because somewhere I was lacking information. I'm not an engineer or a Marklin technician. I'd like Marklin to take that into account.

Apart from that Marklin is my brand and I have little rolling stock of other brands: 1 Brawa steamer, 1 Roc loco that I will receive and 8 or 9 Roco passengers cars

Thewolf




If you can get the Marklin book on operating the CS3 it is fairly comprehensive and is interesting. I bought it before buying the CS3.

I also have a Brawa locos and their coaches which are good. Model rail is expensive and I agree that it is important to have information before or after buying a product. Marklin and others are not great with instructions and imformation but our forum here always has somebody who can help.

Do you have a marklin dealer near you who could show you the CS3. However the Cs2 is good and if you are happy with it then maybe no need to change.

David
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
Offline franciscohg  
#23 Posted : 28 December 2018 02:27:06(UTC)
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Hi, yes, solved until it will appear again.
But I new problem arises, when connecting a 60145 for mire slave units, the C5 becomes unresponsive....
No more throttles for now, I will just enjoy the layout construction
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#24 Posted : 28 December 2018 12:35:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: David Dewar Go to Quoted Post
Can I just add that Santa gave me my CS3 Plus. I am keeping my CS2. The new controller fired up and I my Marklin locos and then two Brawas were running on the layout within 15 mins. To be fair it will probably take me some time to set up turnouts and events etc.

I only buy anything that is reliable including cars etc and that is why I buy Marklin. I have not looked to see what software is loaded and if it is up to date and providing everything works as I want then that is OK.


If I have a fault with the controller I will not be slow in saying so but if it is a good as the Cs2 I will be happy. Now off to connect the S88 and see how that goes.

As I have said I will not use anything other than Marklin items with the CS3 which although should be OK I see no reason to.

Nobody should be out off buying Marklin because some don't like the brand and take every opportunity to tell us. My view is if you don't like it then don't buy it.


Hi David Cool

Personally, all I want is for Marklin to improve access to the information necessary for the smooth running of his products.

I worked for nothing, reviewed my budget with a view to buying a cs3, spent hours doing research, doing tests... for nothing because somewhere I was lacking information. I'm not an engineer or a Marklin technician. I'd like Marklin to take that into account.

Apart from that Marklin is my brand and I have little rolling stock of other brands: 1 Brawa steamer, 1 Roc loco that I will receive and 8 or 9 Roco passengers cars

Thewolf




If you can get the Marklin book on operating the CS3 it is fairly comprehensive and is interesting. I bought it before buying the CS3.

I also have a Brawa locos and their coaches which are good. Model rail is expensive and I agree that it is important to have information before or after buying a product. Marklin and others are not great with instructions and imformation but our forum here always has somebody who can help.

Do you have a marklin dealer near you who could show you the CS3. However the Cs2 is good and if you are happy with it then maybe no need to change.

David


Hi David Cool

I have an excellent dealer.

Without denigrating others, mine is a tick above the others.

I must confess that I am happy not to buy a cs3. Don't make me say what I didn't say, but for me who controls the layout by PC with Itrain software the cs3 represents money thrown out the window.

If I had had to replace my cs2, I would have taken the 60226, that's for sure.

It should never be forgotten that with a software the cs whether it is 2, 3 or 45 is only a support to the software.

Finally, my cs2 was part of the 29440 set I bought in 2012, when I decided to go back to the little train

Serge

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#25 Posted : 28 December 2018 12:38:52(UTC)
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Hi, yes, solved until it will appear again.
But I new problem arises, when connecting a 60145 for mire slave units, the C5 becomes unresponsive....
No more throttles for now, I will just enjoy the layout construction
Regards


Hi Francisco Cool

It's weird that you're telling me about 60145. At first, I thought that was the source of my problem with boosters. What bothers me is that I can't test the reliability of these 60145s (I have two)

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#26 Posted : 10 January 2019 16:42:25(UTC)
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Hello Serge,

the major difference between a CS 3 and CS 3 plus is the galavanic insulation of a CS 3+, which a CS 3 does not have. Your CS 2 (60215) has also a galvanic insulation inside. There you are using boosters already, I think a CS 3+ will be the better choice for you. You have to build up a CAN bus always. For a CAN bus a CS 3+ is the only choice. Read also this new Märklin information in French I sent you the link.

Also more information in other posts here at MUN, e.g.

https://www.marklin-user...CS3-vs-CS3--which-to-get

https://www.marklin-user...911-repair-of-broken-CS2

https://www.marklin-user...-CS3-to-CS2-connectivity

Best regards

Wolfgang


Hi everyone Hi WolfgangCool

Sorry to reopen this thread but I would like to know the exact truth about the problem of the galvanic isolation of the cs3.




On a forum in French, I found this:

Re: Central Station Comparison
Message xxxx 22 Nov. 2018 12:29

Hello to all of you

I am a little surprised by some of the answers above:
- Both 60216 and 60226 have galvanic isolation (contrary to what can be said).
- The 60216 incorporates a Link88 unlike the 60226 but:
---> the "S88" signals are only in 12V which significantly restricts the choice of connectable S88s (Märklin 60881 and very few others)
---> the old S88 bus is not available and you have to put your old S88 6088 modules on hold
---> we only have one S88 bus in RJ 45 unlike a Link 88 which offers 2 S88 buses and a bus in the old format, plus 16 direct inputs

As mentioned above, the 60226 is ideal for being at the top of the pyramid (it cannot be the slave of another CS2 or CS3
The 60226 also has a second Märklin bus output to control boosters, Link 88, etc.
The conclusion:
- the logic (and the processing power of the CS3, which is more than 7 times higher than that of the latest generation CS2) requires that the main station station be a 60226 associated with a Link 88
- the resulting price is no higher than with a 60216 and the possibilities are greater with a separate Link 88
This is what I believe and hope not to offend anyone.
Last edited by xxxx on 24 Nov. 2018 11:54, edited 1 time.
Sincerely

xxxx


I do not question either of the two members, but it must be admitted that this kind of information is confusing for a possible buyer of cs3.

I make this remark because although I am determined to keep my cs2 which presents many problems I can't exclude (even if I don't want to) the possibility of buying a cs3.

I'm still at the starting point in case....60226 or 60216???

I'm going to go back step by step:

- the galvanic isolation if I have understood correctly is necessary since I connect a cs2, a second cs3 to the first one. Is that right? If so, this is not for me

- the 60216's integrated S88 connection will force me not to use my RM-88-N-O-G LDTs. Is that right? If so, it's $600 thrown out the window

- the TCO of the cs3 (60216 or 60226) seems to be very sophisticated . We can do without software. Is that right? If so, what do I do with Itrain? 8 years I've been working with

In short, if the answers to the 3 statements above are correct and if I have to change station, I write well, if I have to change, I will opt for the 60226 which is according to me and what I understood an improved cs2.

I don't need the full potential of the 60216.....but...but I prefer the cs2. Everything will depend on Mike's results.

Have a nice day

Thewolf




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#27 Posted : 10 January 2019 18:29:50(UTC)
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Hello Serge,

the major difference between a CS 3 and CS 3 plus is the galavanic insulation of a CS 3+, which a CS 3 does not have. Your CS 2 (60215) has also a galvanic insulation inside. There you are using boosters already, I think a CS 3+ will be the better choice for you. You have to build up a CAN bus always. For a CAN bus a CS 3+ is the only choice. Read also this new Märklin information in French I sent you the link.

Also more information in other posts here at MUN, e.g.

https://www.marklin-user...CS3-vs-CS3--which-to-get

https://www.marklin-user...911-repair-of-broken-CS2

https://www.marklin-user...-CS3-to-CS2-connectivity

Best regards

Wolfgang


Hi everyone Hi WolfgangCool

Sorry to reopen this thread but I would like to know the exact truth about the problem of the galvanic isolation of the cs3.




On a forum in French, I found this:

Re: Central Station Comparison
Message xxxx 22 Nov. 2018 12:29

Hello to all of you

I am a little surprised by some of the answers above:
- Both 60216 and 60226 have galvanic isolation (contrary to what can be said).
- The 60216 incorporates a Link88 unlike the 60226 but:
---> the "S88" signals are only in 12V which significantly restricts the choice of connectable S88s (Märklin 60881 and very few others)
---> the old S88 bus is not available and you have to put your old S88 6088 modules on hold
---> we only have one S88 bus in RJ 45 unlike a Link 88 which offers 2 S88 buses and a bus in the old format, plus 16 direct inputs

As mentioned above, the 60226 is ideal for being at the top of the pyramid (it cannot be the slave of another CS2 or CS3
The 60226 also has a second Märklin bus output to control boosters, Link 88, etc.
The conclusion:
- the logic (and the processing power of the CS3, which is more than 7 times higher than that of the latest generation CS2) requires that the main station station be a 60226 associated with a Link 88
- the resulting price is no higher than with a 60216 and the possibilities are greater with a separate Link 88
This is what I believe and hope not to offend anyone.
Last edited by xxxx on 24 Nov. 2018 11:54, edited 1 time.
Sincerely

xxxx


I do not question either of the two members, but it must be admitted that this kind of information is confusing for a possible buyer of cs3.

I make this remark because although I am determined to keep my cs2 which presents many problems I can't exclude (even if I don't want to) the possibility of buying a cs3.

I'm still at the starting point in case....60226 or 60216???

I'm going to go back step by step:

- the galvanic isolation if I have understood correctly is necessary since I connect a cs2, a second cs3 to the first one. Is that right? If so, this is not for me

- the 60216's integrated S88 connection will force me not to use my RM-88-N-O-G LDTs. Is that right? If so, it's $600 thrown out the window

- the TCO of the cs3 (60216 or 60226) seems to be very sophisticated . We can do without software. Is that right? If so, what do I do with Itrain? 8 years I've been working with

In short, if the answers to the 3 statements above are correct and if I have to change station, I write well, if I have to change, I will opt for the 60226 which is according to me and what I understood an improved cs2.

I don't need the full potential of the 60216.....but...but I prefer the cs2. Everything will depend on Mike's results.

Have a nice day

Thewolf






Well, my conclusion was that a 60226 was the best choice for my demand. I don’t see any need to network my CS3 anytime soon, and if so I would get a CS3 Plus as the next unit. I didn’t have any s88 so I just bought the L88 as my first accessory.

If you really need the extra features of a CS3 Plus - then it’s an obvious choice. CS3 and CS3 Plus are identical in performance.
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#28 Posted : 11 January 2019 02:16:47(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post

Hi everyone Hi WolfgangCool

Sorry to reopen this thread but I would like to know the exact truth about the problem of the galvanic isolation of the cs3.

I do not question either of the two members, but it must be admitted that this kind of information is confusing for a possible buyer of cs3.

I make this remark because although I am determined to keep my cs2 which presents many problems I can't exclude (even if I don't want to) the possibility of buying a cs3.

I'm still at the starting point in case....60226 or 60216???

I'm going to go back step by step:

- the galvanic isolation if I have understood correctly is necessary since I connect a cs2, a second cs3 to the first one. Is that right? If so, this is not for me


In my opinion it is not a must. But a CS 3 (60226) does not have a CAN bus input device. So it never can be integrated as a central device in a CAN bus network. It only can be a "stand aside" of it.

https://www.maerklin.de/...emarchitektur_gesamt.pdf

Connecting with a CS 2 you always have to use the CS 2 first as the master, because this one has a CAN bus input and output device. Your CS 2 always will be the master and your brandnew CS 3 will be the slave. I never would do that, because then you do not get many of the advantages of a CS 3.

I think the rest you can forget, because you do have a CS 2 already and therefore not a real choice between a CS 3 and a CS 3+.


Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post

- the 60216's integrated S88 connection will force me not to use my RM-88-N-O-G LDTs. Is that right? If so, it's $600 thrown out the window

- the TCO of the cs3 (60216 or 60226) seems to be very sophisticated . We can do without software. Is that right? If so, what do I do with Itrain? 8 years I've been working with

In short, if the answers to the 3 statements above are correct and if I have to change station, I write well, if I have to change, I will opt for the 60226 which is according to me and what I understood an improved cs2.

I don't need the full potential of the 60216.....but...but I prefer the cs2. Everything will depend on Mike's results.

Have a nice day

Thewolf


What is a TCO? I have words for these abbriviation, but then you hit me me with one of your big wooden stick you actually need for the table of your new layout.Laugh

So I think it is better for you to study some threads here from MUN, like

https://www.marklin-user...-CS3-to-CS2-connectivity

https://www.marklin-user...ctrical-shock-from-rails

https://www.marklin-user...CS3-vs-CS3--which-to-get

especially getting more information about the galvanic insulation which had been discussed here at this community already.

Have a nice decision at a cold day

TEEWolf




CS 3 is a controller system from Märklin - not a central station.
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#29 Posted : 11 January 2019 04:46:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post

- the 60216's integrated S88 connection will force me not to use my RM-88-N-O-G LDTs. Is that right? If so, it's $600 thrown out the window


No, only the first device must be the S88 link from Marklin, you can use standard S88 modules after that (such as LDT).

It does mean if you already have your S88 modules then you must factor in the cost of a link S88 on top of the CS3 in comparison to the CS3+

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#30 Posted : 11 January 2019 14:29:05(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post

Hi everyone Hi WolfgangCool

Sorry to reopen this thread but I would like to know the exact truth about the problem of the galvanic isolation of the cs3.

I do not question either of the two members, but it must be admitted that this kind of information is confusing for a possible buyer of cs3.

I make this remark because although I am determined to keep my cs2 which presents many problems I can't exclude (even if I don't want to) the possibility of buying a cs3.

I'm still at the starting point in case....60226 or 60216???

I'm going to go back step by step:

- the galvanic isolation if I have understood correctly is necessary since I connect a cs2, a second cs3 to the first one. Is that right? If so, this is not for me


In my opinion it is not a must. But a CS 3 (60226) does not have a CAN bus input device. So it never can be integrated as a central device in a CAN bus network. It only can be a "stand aside" of it.

https://www.maerklin.de/...emarchitektur_gesamt.pdf

Connecting with a CS 2 you always have to use the CS 2 first as the master, because this one has a CAN bus input and output device. Your CS 2 always will be the master and your brandnew CS 3 will be the slave. I never would do that, because then you do not get many of the advantages of a CS 3.

I think the rest you can forget, because you do have a CS 2 already and therefore not a real choice between a CS 3 and a CS 3+.




It’s actually the other way around. CS3 has to be the master, since it doesn’t have a 6-pole bus connection. But if the CS2 is of the first generation (60213 or early 60214) they don’t have galvanic separation, so in that case it is better to buy a CS3 Plus.

On the diagram it looks like CS3 plus is the master, since all other unikts are attached to it, but actually the CS3 to the right is master and the CS3 plus slave and also a booster....
K-G / H0 and Z model train user
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#31 Posted : 11 January 2019 15:18:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post




In my opinion it is not a must. But a CS 3 (60226) does not have a CAN bus input device. So it never can be integrated as a central device in a CAN bus network. It only can be a "stand aside" of it.

https://www.maerklin.de/...emarchitektur_gesamt.pdf

Connecting with a CS 2 you always have to use the CS 2 first as the master, because this one has a CAN bus input and output device. Your CS 2 always will be the master and your brandnew CS 3 will be the slave. I never would do that, because then you do not get many of the advantages of a CS 3.

I think the rest you can forget, because you do have a CS 2 already and therefore not a real choice between a CS 3 and a CS 3+.



Hi Wolfgang Cool

I don't think I wrote, said or stated that I wanted to couple a cs2 to a cs3 or cs3+.

All my thoughts are based on the possible replacement of the cs2.

If I have to replace it, the cs2 will be resold.

There will be no question of mating another cs later, whether it is 3, 4 or 55.

But as Mike suggested, let's wait to see the results of his tests on the cs2 that's on the way to his store. His suggestion only confirmed my initial impression about a possible cs3 or cs3+: the purchase will depend on the test results, I wrote it down.

Once again, your many reference links have allowed me to enrich my library and I thank you for that.BigGrin

About whether the 60226 has galvanic isolation as claimed by a member of a French-speaking Marklin forum, I sent an email to Mike. I await his answer

As you know quite a few links about Marklin, I read in one of them that there was a book by Marklin on digital: book 03092.

Do you know if it is available in French? As French is considered as the language of the poor, I don't think so, but you never know

Have a nice day

Thewolf




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#32 Posted : 11 January 2019 15:26:06(UTC)
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What is a TCO? I have words for these abbriviation, but then you hit me me with one of your big wooden stick you actually need for the table of your new layout.Laugh

So I think it is better for you to study some threads here from MUN, like

https://www.marklin-user...-CS3-to-CS2-connectivity

https://www.marklin-user...ctrical-shock-from-rails

https://www.marklin-user...CS3-vs-CS3--which-to-get

especially getting more information about the galvanic insulation which had been discussed here at this community already.

Have a nice decision at a cold day

TEEWolf






Wolfgang Cool

Below is an example of a TCO: it's the Itrain example from my old layout

TCO(2).PNG

What do you mean by '' then you hit me me with one of your big wooden stick you actually need for the table of your new layout''

Thewolf

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#33 Posted : 11 January 2019 19:13:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post

About whether the 60226 has galvanic isolation as claimed by a member of a French-speaking Marklin forum, I sent an email to Mike. I await his answer


The 60226 does NOT have galvanic isolation, despite what the French website says. That's made plain in Marklins literature when it comes to using it as a slave device to a master cs.

Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post

As you know quite a few links about Marklin, I read in one of them that there was a book by Marklin on digital: book 03092.

Do you know if it is available in French? As French is considered as the language of the poor, I don't think so, but you never know


As far as I know it was only ever available on German. I think it was a 'get a book out while we wait for the cs3' effort to quell the requests for information.

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#34 Posted : 11 January 2019 19:35:56(UTC)
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TCO = Total Cost of Ownership

But apparently you can use the same abbreviation for something completely different...
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#35 Posted : 11 January 2019 20:29:09(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan;582954



The 60226 does NOT have galvanic isolation, despite what the French website says. That' Go to Quoted Post


Here is an answer as I like them

Short and efficient. I had no doubt about Wolfgang's answer. I just wanted to show that we can find crazy answers that put other members in a very difficult position of choice, which can lead to errors of judgment

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#36 Posted : 11 January 2019 20:33:07(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kgsjoqvist Go to Quoted Post
TCO = Total Cost of Ownership

But apparently you can use the same abbreviation for something completely different...



This seems to be the case.

In any case, the following is from the Itrain manual in French

TCO.PNG

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#37 Posted : 11 January 2019 20:51:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: kgsjoqvist Go to Quoted Post
TCO = Total Cost of Ownership

But apparently you can use the same abbreviation for something completely different...



This seems to be the case.

In any case, the following is from the Itrain manual in French

TCO.PNG

Thewolf


Thanks, because seeing your first iTrain picture, I thought it means Tracks-Canadian-Overview Flapper Laugh But your iTrain picture in French I do not understand. I have forgotten all my French knowleges I learnt at school decades ago.Blushing To copy it into my translating machine does not function either.
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#38 Posted : 11 January 2019 21:17:44(UTC)
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Marklin book is available in English and German and gives a lot of information.
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#39 Posted : 11 January 2019 21:19:36(UTC)
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Hi Wolfgang Cool

I don't think I wrote, said or stated that I wanted to couple a cs2 to a cs3 or cs3+.

All my thoughts are based on the possible replacement of the cs2.

If I have to replace it, the cs2 will be resold.

There will be no question of mating another cs later, whether it is 3, 4 or 55.

But as Mike suggested, let's wait to see the results of his tests on the cs2 that's on the way to his store. His suggestion only confirmed my initial impression about a possible cs3 or cs3+: the purchase will depend on the test results, I wrote it down.

Once again, your many reference links have allowed me to enrich my library and I thank you for that.BigGrin

About whether the 60226 has galvanic isolation as claimed by a member of a French-speaking Marklin forum, I sent an email to Mike. I await his answer

As you know quite a few links about Marklin, I read in one of them that there was a book by Marklin on digital: book 03092.

Do you know if it is available in French? As French is considered as the language of the poor, I don't think so, but you never know

Have a nice day

Thewolf


First, the book 03092 "Controlling Digitally with the Central Station 3" is only in German and English available.

Second, if you want to sell your CS 2, do not forget, you even can use a CS 2 as a booster. So the selling price should always be higher than to buy a booster - of course always including the power supply - if you do not want loose money.

Keeping a CS 2 gives you always a redundancy for your Märklin layout. I do this with my 2 MS 2 and track box. Actually I only need one MS 2. I plug it into my CS 3. But sometimes, I take the other one with the track box and let trains run rigth across the kitchen table.Laugh

Third, Alan is correct. Märklin's CS 3 60226 has no galvanic insulation. Beside Märklins documantation I discussed this with an Märklin offical at a digital day of Märklin and he approved it.

Anyway no further link so you get a nice weekend.Love

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Yes, today we got snow in northern Bavaria too. But of course not the 3 meters as in the Southern part of Bavaria, Austria and Switzerland. The development there is getting critical now. Probably all a problem of the climate change, although we have Winter in Germany.LOL

TEEWolf



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#40 Posted : 11 January 2019 22:12:36(UTC)
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Hi guys Cool

Unbelievable!!!!! Read Blink

Before I put everything in the box (for sending it all to Mike), I uninstalled everything.

Then I reconnected everything together (cs2, 60175 and 60145) like that without connecting to the rails.

Believe it or not, but everything works: no more messages on the cs2, 60175 led correctly red, 2 60175 saved on the cs2.

Conclusion: this makes me confirm what I have always said since I got back into the world of the little train in 2012 and discovered digital technology.

I have to work delicately with fairy hands, it's a sensitivity to bang your head against the wall.

It is necessary that I pay extra attention to the connections of wires and sockets.

As I have the agility in the hands of an elephant in a porcelain store, this is the reason why some tasks, such as locomotive maintenance, are entrusted to my wife.

I can't even remove the roof of a passenger coach, the roof will be on one side of the room and the coach's frame on the other.Blink Angry

Second conclusion: the cs2 will still go to Mike's for a check-up. So I will be able to complete the work in the other rooms

Thanks to the whole gang for getting high helping me in my last two threadsBigGrin

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#41 Posted : 11 January 2019 22:20:30(UTC)
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First, the book 03092 "Controlling Digitally with the Central Station 3" is only in German and English available.

Second, if you want to sell your CS 2, do not forget, you even can use a CS 2 as a booster. So the selling price should always be higher than to buy a booster - of course always including the power supply - if you do not want loose money.

Keeping a CS 2 gives you always a redundancy for your Märklin layout. I do this with my 2 MS 2 and track box. Actually I only need one MS 2. I plug it into my CS 3. But sometimes, I take the other one with the track box and let trains run rigth across the kitchen table.Laugh

Third, Alan is correct. Märklin's CS 3 60226 has no galvanic insulation. Beside Märklins documantation I discussed this with an Märklin offical at a digital day of Märklin and he approved it.

Anyway no further link so you get a nice weekend.Love

HdiC (= Happy days in Canada)Blink
Yes, today we got snow in northern Bavaria too. But of course not the 3 meters as in the Southern part of Bavaria, Austria and Switzerland. The development there is getting critical now. Probably all a problem of the climate change, although we have Winter in Germany.LOL

TEEWolf





Wolfgang you are right about the cs2 .

But in view of my last comment, I'm going to keep it and I'm getting old to start buying a cs3 in 2-3 years.

My future is behind me. If I have 20 years left to live, it will be with my cs2 and...trips across Canada.

As for the snow, the snowblower went out 3 days in a row to my house ( 30 cms in 2 1/2 days and 2 night storms)

Thewolf

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#42 Posted : 15 January 2019 03:06:36(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kgsjoqvist Go to Quoted Post

It’s actually the other way around. CS3 has to be the master, since it doesn’t have a 6-pole bus connection. But if the CS2 is of the first generation (60213 or early 60214) they don’t have galvanic separation, so in that case it is better to buy a CS3 Plus.

On the diagram it looks like CS3 plus is the master, since all other unikts are attached to it, but actually the CS3 to the right is master and the CS3 plus slave and also a booster....


Do you think the CS 3 must be always the master and never be a slave? So it actually will be always the starting point for a CAN bus. Well could be. I only have 2 MS 2 and 1 CS 3+ and the MS 2 are always automatically a slave to the CS 3+ when connected. I never can test coupling two or more CS together, because even at my MIST we have my CS 3+ or a CS 1. But I am not trusting a CS 1 to connect with a CS 3. The last days I was looking why I need a 6-pole bus connection to be a slave, if the device does not got such a socket, it has to be a master. Do you have an answer therefore?
CS 3 is a controller system from Märklin - not a central station.
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#43 Posted : 16 January 2019 18:41:26(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: kgsjoqvist Go to Quoted Post

It’s actually the other way around. CS3 has to be the master, since it doesn’t have a 6-pole bus connection. But if the CS2 is of the first generation (60213 or early 60214) they don’t have galvanic separation, so in that case it is better to buy a CS3 Plus.

On the diagram it looks like CS3 plus is the master, since all other unikts are attached to it, but actually the CS3 to the right is master and the CS3 plus slave and also a booster....


Do you think the CS 3 must be always the master and never be a slave? So it actually will be always the starting point for a CAN bus. Well could be. I only have 2 MS 2 and 1 CS 3+ and the MS 2 are always automatically a slave to the CS 3+ when connected. I never can test coupling two or more CS together, because even at my MIST we have my CS 3+ or a CS 1. But I am not trusting a CS 1 to connect with a CS 3. The last days I was looking why I need a 6-pole bus connection to be a slave, if the device does not got such a socket, it has to be a master. Do you have an answer therefore?


Please check out this link for more information Worth knowing About CS3. The CS3 can only be used as a stand-alone controller or as a Master. That’s why you can only have one. But you can connect as many CS3 plus as you want to it.
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