A few 39170 appear on ebay every day.
I wonder if they already have the new windows or if the (non Insider) buyer will ever receive them.

Hi all

'' So, maybe your 39170 with the gaps in the windows might become worth more than models without gaps.......''

You are right...maybe..but it is not what I look for when I buy a loco.

I do not look for any profit but only the pleasure, the fun to see them running on my layout

Thewolf

Thank You David.

Your 103.1 looks great on the club layout and I agree -- if you just saw it and were not obsessing about it, you would never notice the window fit.

I think that part of the problem is that very many of us have been waiting a really long time and we are staring at images on our computers, while we should be looking at our own models running on our layouts. I imagine that when mine arrives I will be quite happy with it. In the meantime it is nice hearing from people who already have theirs and how they like them.

I will let you all know how I like mine when if finally arrives!

Hi Steve,

Is it easy to fit the glass windows yourself? I wonder if it makes sense to order also for myself and install the windows on my own or is it better to send the whole loc back to Marklin for exchange at their repair shop?
Thanks in advance for your hint!

Best regards,

Symeon

Remember to read instruction page 27 about pantographs before open loco body before you can easy to changed windows to fit.

Be Careful with window wipers!

In the German Stummi community was reported that Maerklin attaches 2 pairs of them with the new sent windows. And a member remarked that he now has 2 pieces left.

Wot? No insider certificate either??

I just got my Insider 39170. Mine did not include an insider's certificate. How about yours?

I think that despite suffering from the same gap issue with the lateral window (or so it seems), I do like it very much.

Which I'm guessing will be with my 39170, that has still not arrived in the USA. Will it arrive before December 2017... I wonder.

They were making them in the factory at the time of the Treff. I may have seen yours!

I’ve had mine many months now, including the related set.

Cool - Mine arrived just yesterday, so maybe you did see it being built -- speak of the devil and all that!

My Insider 103 is perfect. I guess it was worth waiting for, since all of the windows fit just as I would expect them to. The detailing is superb and it weighs many multiples of what my old DCM plastic body 103 does, so it should pull like a mule. Everything checks out on my rolling test stand and I can run it on one of my mainlines in about a month. I believe that I will be very happy with this loco after all!

No word yet on when I might get the coaches but I know of some pretty Hohenstaufen coaches that it can borrow until they arrive.

Same thing for me - I received the 103 and my annual Insider car this week, with the coaches to follow eventually.

I always tack on a month or more to Märklin's estimates of item availability here in North America, compared to European deliveries. In the greater scheme of things we are a pretty small part of Märklin's market after all. It all gets here eventually though, even if at times it can be tough to wait.

Hmm, I'm sure the ones on my loco fit better than that. I remember looking at them and thinking that I seem to have better fitting ones than had been shown on here, and that I wouldn't need to chase a set of replacements.

I'll have to get mine out and have a closer look. but frankly I wouldn't be satisfied with the ones you have. With modern manufacturing technology they should be a lot better than that. It looks like they have made them too thick, so they protrude too far through the opening, which results in the printed on frame being beyond the outer edge of the body.

I will post some images of my 103.1 later this week, but its windows fit much, much better than yours do. I do have some small gaps between the body shell and the window frame on just one end of two of the side windows. but nothing like the sloppy fit that your windows have. Overall this is acceptable to me although it is still not quite as good as my 25 year old Märklin 103 with a plastic body.

It is not only the gaps around the perimeter of the windows in your loco but the protrusion in the middle of the main windscreen that I could not accept. That windscreen does not even look like it is properly in place. If that loco were mine I would be contacting my dealer about some replacement windows for sure.

Good Luck!

I don't think that is the case, this looks to me very much like someone made a mistake in selecting the part to be moulded for the windows, and used the window parts for a previous version, thinking it is the same as this one requires, when in reality they are different.

may be the day will come when we assembly locos coming in a kit form.

John

Absolutely correct. I tested it at the IMA days. There you always can mount your own, just bought brand new loco. But be fair: also there is a Maerklin employee for support and help.

Hello,
some time ago I put the 39170 and 37573 side by side.
The 37573 I have chosen for this comparison, since they still has aprons like the 39170 and Einholmstromabnehmer









And some pictures of the interior of the 39170:










Videos:

I feel really sorry for you - you pay for a premium product and this is what you get! I would complain to Marklin and demand proper fitting spares - this is just not good enough.

Carim

That sounds like a great decision to me. I hope that it turns out well for you in the long run and that they make it look like it should have in the first place.

About a year ago I received the 2016 second Insider model of the VT95.9 railcar and it was cosmetically perfect. The precision and the finish of the metal castings were outstanding. There is a full view through the cabin and it comes with lots of sounds, numerous passengers, a driver and good interior lighting. The operational doors on the trailer worked perfectly and it even has luggage and bikes in the trailer - I was in love.

But after only a few days of operation it quit running and it couldn't even be on left powered track or it made my CS2 reboot. I sent it to Canada, they sent it to Göppingen and it found its way back to me after about 5-6 months. They replaced the mounting board and decoder and it seems fine now, although it has not been run for very long yet. I try to keep remembering that we have 5 year warranties on Insider stuff.

Märkin reported that the PCB created a dead short (while sitting idle on an unpowered section of C track!) and that fried the decoder. I will just have to see what happens when I get my layout running again in a few weeks and hope that it lasts longer. So my 2016 Insider model and your 2017 Insider model both had such significant issues that they needed to be shipped back to Germany, which really makes me hesitate to buy any more Insider models until I see if Märklin can bring their quality control department back to life.

So some 2.5 months later my BR 103 insider is back in my possession after Märklin factory replacement is the windows and I have to say they did a good job.

As a reminder, this was what it looked like originally with the replacement windows they had sent to try and fix the issue.



Now here is what it looks like with the replacement windows fitted by the factory.



Well done Märklin Service.