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Stephen: Gator, Croc, Cocodrillo, Krokodil - lots of different names for the very same beast ... [:p] But here come another two - quite rare - beauties:  #32000 - The Platinum Gator from year 2000. Model # = € price tag ...   #3352.2 - The Red Cross Gator from year 1988 |
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Wow,Very collector both locos! I havent see it before? |
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Steven: That €32.000.- [:0][:0][:0] Millennium Croco is well known ... But the €1.500.- "Henry Dunant" Edition I, too, saw the very first time today. Basically a #3352 she ought to be the most expensive plastic-shell Croco  |
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John, Have a look at this Site and Remember that the NZ $ only costs you about 70 cents or less. http://www.trademe.co.nz...ves/auction-41232560.htmNev [:p][:p] Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by john black<br />Hi all: Received delivery of my 4th Gator (#3335) yesterday. She's beautyful - especially those red trucks look great !!! Together with an E194 (#3300) she's doubleheading my ESSO fuel train now Best Regards John |
NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders
and a hose pipe on the aorta
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Neville: This one ("Received my 4th Gator") is quite an old post of mine - my actual counting is 7. Well, no new locos til January ... [xx(] Thanks for that link, anyway John |
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If you want the platinum version, my local dealer has one in stock... |
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Thanks, Martijn. Never saw her in real life not to mention thinking about buying one. Even if that money were available - wife would shoot me at once ... [:o)]
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Here comes the biggest & greatest Croco/Gator Collection [:p][:p][:p] ever -
5HorizonsRR's (5HorizonsRR) Gator Farm ...    Congratulations, John !!! |
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Regards Tony |
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Thanks, Tony. And congratulations - that's a beautyful collection you got [:p][:p][:p] |
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Execllent collection tony. |
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The 4 essentials for sure!! The Seetals are some of the best runners I own |
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I have the brown one . It drives very slow and steady. It has his engine in the middle and all 6 axles have traction / are powered. |
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Thanks guys - the 39560 and 39561 are just great. Why Marklin cannot just make every loco powered by a C-Sinus, I just don't know?  All my 39xxx are some of the best runners I have.  |
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Tony,
Of all gators I have seen, 37522 surely takes the cake.
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hello , "they " use to call it " the french gator " : http://www.rail.lu/materiel/sncf14000.htmlSpecially that one : http://www.rail.lu/materiel/sncf12000.htmlThe BB 12000 is actually on the Marklin catalogue . A model of CC 14000 has been made by LIMA . Yes , I know , I know...... ......they are not very much " Gator" , not so " gator " than the others.... ...must be the reason why the french more commonly use to call the BB12000 : " the Iron"....
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yes. great ones, a model to have........ |
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I think you must add it to the title John.....  |
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Francisco: I tried - but space [:I] for typing in more models is full, sorry ... But never mind. Since this is our very personal little world each of us should be free to evaluate by himself what he wants to be (for example) a Gator, o.k. ? So please post what you like ... Thanks for adding the French Gator [:p], Roland ! John post scriptum: Perhaps somewhere in the future we should create a thumbnail Gator Gallery ... and one for our Steamers ... and another one for the Diesels ... My man, this smells work [xx(][xx(][xx(] |
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Nice model with eight wheels,Any models have 12 wheels? |
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Hi all, Here in spain we also had an own version of this "crocodiles" or "gators". It was designed for the Compañía de Caminos de Hierro del Norte (North Railways Company) around 1928, and they were numbered as series 7200 and 7300 (later RENFE 272 and 273). I think they're bigger than the typical Ce 6/8, with a wheel arrangement of type 2CC2. They have a design that reminds me of the Swiss Ae 8/14. You can see several photos on this webpage: http://www.railfaneurope.net/pi...istoric/272-273/pix.htmlLater on there was a more powerful version, numbered 275: http://www.railfaneurope.net/pi...ic/historic/275/pix.htmlJust to let you all "gator-lovers" to know Kind regards. |
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oh , thanks Julio , these Spanish 2CC2 look like pure "gators "!I didn't know these machines.....No model of it from electrotren or Ibertren ?
Stevetrain : about the twelve wheels named as "CC 14000" , there is an old model from LIMA . A new model from Lemaco is coming soon . Hope Marklin will do it one day.... there is no announcement about it ....
All these french " Gators " were working in the North and East of France , also in Luxembourg ....MRR fans may drive it on a Belgian or Luxemburg layout.....Probably ( I'm not sure )also at some German stations somewhere on the Border between Belgium / Luxemburg / France and Germany , to be exchanged with another locomotive ....Or anywhere they like , in an imaginary world full of "gators" & nice Loks..
These machines were running untill 1999 in France ( 40 years in service ) . Some of them were still running in 2003 under CFL livery ( Luxemburg Railways Company - red / brown and yellow )
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Really nice locos Julio!!!!
Thanks for the links. |
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Many thanks for the information jeehring.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by john black<br />Hi all: Received delivery of my 4th Gator (#3335) yesterday. She's beautyful - especially those red trucks look great !!! Together with an E194 (#3300) she's doubleheading my ESSO fuel train now Best Regards John Very cool, John. It is a great loco - all of them are. My collection of E94s are: 3022 DB green BR 194 (6080 digital chip) 3300 DB green BR 194 twin crocodile set (still analog) 3422 DB blue and beige BR 194 (delta chip) 33221 OBB Austrian orange BR 1020 (delta chip) 39221 DR gray E94 (c-sine motor) Troy 33 |
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Thanks for link Hans. For those of you interseted in other trains, they also have posters on the BR 103, BR 110, BR 140, BR 141, BR 150, the ICE versions and Triebwagen.
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Hans: Knew it, already - but thanks for that link, anyway Troy: Very impressive collection you got there - congratulations Another beautyful example for you [:p]  John |
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M's latest Gator - #37224 E1020 "MWB". In Enzian blue ...  |
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I hope you can buy the blue one. |
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I, too - depends on the finance director's mood ... [xx(] Seriously, don't like that color combination. Enzian blue plus yellow plus red isn't exactly my preferred hue - looks quite kitsch to me. And congratulations, Steven - you've got 3000, now John |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by john black<br /> And congratulations, Steven - you've got 3000, now John Many thanks my friend. |
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I found a link to some more croc pages....mainly narrow gauge
<http://www.ozdoba.net/rhb/croco_e.html>
It seems that the definition of croc is vague, which is wonderful since it allows for so much silly discussion, silly in a fun way.
Does it have to be Swiss, does it have to be articulated, does it have to have the wedge shape. All good fun. The link has pictures of some locomotives, even has a non-articulated "croc" with a croc painted on it.
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Wow ... [:0] - John, you've found a treasure of Swiss pictures & data, indeed [:p] !!! Cool - there's even a Bolivian Diesel Gator ...   www.ozdoba.netMany thanks , John |
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Diesel Gator ? Yes, I know one, too: the so called "Hochwald-Krokodil" (high-forest gator) consisting of two R30C diesels (330 hp each, 30 kmh max speed) which are coupled semi permanently and can be controled from one cab. Belonged to a private railroad company. Only one pair existed!  I saw these diesels passing almost every day in the late 60s and 70s, hauling 600 tons freight trains over a steep and curvy side line in the south-west german low mountain range. Hans Martin
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Received Gator No. umpty-nine, today. E1020 <u>big</u> C-Sinus #39222 ... [:p] She's one beautiful runner. And her perfectly weathered silver roof compliments her rich, emerald green body just nicely.  All this is only McLae's fault, again [:o)] (who had started it all, many moons ago). Thanks, Gatormaster John |
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Well done john.Very nice Gators model. |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by hmsfix<br />Diesel Gator ? Yes, I know one, too: the so called "Hochwald-Krokodil" (high-forest gator) consisting of two R30C diesels (330 hp each, 30 kmh max speed) which are coupled semi permanently and can be controled from one cab. Belonged to a private railroad company. Only one pair existed! I saw these diesels passing almost every day in the late 60s and 70s, hauling 600 tons freight trains over a steep and curvy side line in the south-west german low mountain range. Hans Martin Sorry, that's no gator to me. It has at least to be articulated. In this way, every coupled locomotive could be a gator. A Bi-Polar is more gator to me than a GG1. |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain
<br />Well done john. Very nice Gators model Thanks, Steven . There're many more still missing ... But at least my small E94 C-Sinus collection is complete, now [^] |
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Hi all: what about the 37591, and 37593's no they get any respect from the other "croc's" Please let them in!! Gene El Sobrante, CA on the left coast
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Hi John,
Nice to hear E94 C-Sinus collection is complete,So keep good hunting Gators. |
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I'll do, Steven ... Well, reading the papers it seems the days of the old owners and their "management" are counted. Game over [xx(] Thus let's relax and see what the new gang will present to us. If there'll be great models - fine. If not - there are still tons of top quality Gators & Crocs (from almost half a century) outa there, waiting to be taken home ... [:p] John |
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An outsider.
I'm looking for the owner of that horse. He's tall, blonde, he smokes a cigar, and he's a pig!
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Nikos, they wait for us. You can find them at nice old European M dealers - brick & mortar only F.e. found this beautiful E1020 (from year 2000) last week. Brand new in the box ... |
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Well here in Greece(in that part of Europe) you cannot find such things to that scale.
Maybe in central Europe you will be able to find that amount of krokodils.
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An outsider.
I'm looking for the owner of that horse. He's tall, blonde, he smokes a cigar, and he's a pig!
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