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Hi All,
Does Marklin still make the track cleaning cars? If so, how is it compared to the Herkat, Centreline and Lux cleaning cars in terms of price and performance.
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I had my eyes on a Lux 2 car cleaning set that was on eBay couple of weeks ago. Lost the bid. It sold for around US$280 and stores sell it for around US$550. Still kicking myself. |
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Marklin cars can keep a clean track clean, but if you don't change the pads regularly it smears the grime over clean tracks.. Lux is a much better option.. Although others may disagree, the brush is very effective, but I don't think that the vacuum is as useful..
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I think that the vacuum is worth every penny. The amount of fine dust it picks up from the track is rather surprising.
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Haven't really thought about getting a track cleaning car,
sure need one though.
I find dust accumulate fairly quickly around the turnouts and cause some loks to stop.
Thanks for starting the thread, Ranjit.. |
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Hullo Ranjit yes they still make the car its 46042 and looks like mini dry goods wagon and when you lift the tops there are extra cleaning pads inside the car so you get two on the unit and four spares and we have one and it has a nice brakemans cab on the back sells for about nz 64.00 dollars okay
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Hi Gautham, Adrian, Geoff, Matthew, Tim and Bryan,
Thank you all for your inputs.
After reading some other threads regarding track cleaning cars, I feel that the LUX cars are the most popular albeit the very high price! Herkat, Centreline and Marklin cleaning cars are scantly mentioned. Is there anyone who has used these cars? If so, could you let us know how they compare with LUX?
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Ranjit,
Nothing comes anywhere near the Lux cars. Yes thay do cost a lot but they do a magnificent job. With C track I probably run them around 2-3 times once a month, sometimes even longer between cleaning periods
M track has more sensitivity to dirt so the cleaning is done more frequently.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Maxi
<br />I think that the vacuum is worth every penny. The amount of fine dust it picks up from the track is rather surprising.
I have a set myself - I totally agree with Maxi, the vacuum cleaning car does an excellent job. On C-track I have experienced that if a track peace completely misses conductivity, I use some very fine sand paper <u>once</u> on the studs and then drive my LUX cleaning car set over the track peace 3-4 times and voila. |
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Hi Neville and Steen,
Seems like LUX is a strong winner! Btw, Neville, did you receive a manual for the LUX in English?
Still waiting to hear about Centreline and Herkat.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Ranjit
<br />Hi Neville and Steen,
Seems like LUX is a strong winner! Btw, Neville, did you receive a manual for the LUX in English?
Still waiting to hear about Centreline and Herakat.
Cheers,
Ranjit
No manual in English but when I asked they sent instructions in English. There english manual was supposed to be ready in March this year,. You do not really need it. N |
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OK, Neville, thank you for the info.
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Hi All,
I tested the two LUX cars at my local train shop this morning, and I found the product to be quite effective, but the price in local currency was way above my budget. I was quoted RM 2,550 which converts to USD 745.00 approximately! What a rip-off! LokShop sells them for around USD 600. I guess I will have to look at the prices on ebay. priced!
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Hi Ranjit, I personally would not buy a track cleaning car, because I have never needed it. I use C track. I find that covering the layout with a painter's drop sheet (at hardware stores for a few dollars) keeps the track clean enough. It stops everything getting dusty as well. I do however have some cars fitted with the Noch track pads (#60157), which clip on any piece of rolling stock. Again they are only a few dollars. See http://www.noch.de/de/produktka...e3=&navi_Kategorie4=regards Kimball |
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Hi Kimball,
Thank you for the info on the NOCH cleaning pads. I will take a look at that. Btw, what is a painter's drop sheet. Is this something that is heavy or light? Will the sheet damage the delicate items on the layout?
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Ranjit, a painter's drop sheet is a sheet used by painters to cover furniture and carpets, when painting or repainting inside. The proper sheets are quite a heavy fabric, but it is possible to purchase a light plastic sheet for not very much money from your local hardware / paint shop.
I often use an old bed sheet that may have become a bit worn out, the important thing is to use something that will not scratch the furniture, and I guess this would work for covering a layout as well.
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Hi David,
Good. We are coming down to more simpler and cheaper solutions to keep our layouts clean.
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Yes, the cheap plastic ones are great for a layout, as they are very light. I usually roll them up, and roll back on.
But if you have no tall obstructions (like delicate buildings or towers), you could wip them off with a quick tug.
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I use the Lux Vac and I feel that the brush and vac do a good job but as to clean the tracks of the black film you need the use something else. At the moment I use the Marklin cleaning car with the 2 pads and I put some lighter fuel on them and that does a very good job but the pads do not last very long at all. |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by charles Sharpe
I put some lighter fuel on them and that does a very good job but the pads do not last very long at all.
I use the Marklin car with these pads as well. They are simple felt pads fitted to the bottom of the car. They do work OK but of course they only clean the outer rails. Are the pads available as spare parts? The original pieces that came with the car are not going to last for ever  Does the Lux system clean the middle rail as well? Cheers |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Marius in Africa<br /> Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by charles Sharpe
I put some lighter fuel on them and that does a very good job but the pads do not last very long at all.
I use the Marklin car with these pads as well. They are simple felt pads fitted to the bottom of the car. They do work OK but of course they only clean the outer rails. Are the pads available as spare parts? The original pieces that came with the car are not going to last for ever Does the Lux system clean the middle rail as well? Cheers Yes, it is a multi layer rotating felt roller. You can also get a mild abrasive rollers. Nev |
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In my pursuit to a perfectly clean track, I've had several dissapointments and quite a number of good ones!
Here is my list:
Noch cleaning pads - cheap & remove a lot of oil and grease. Dirt like rust, paint, dust, and paint from an airbrush won't be removed. On the negative side it doenst look that elegant.
Roco cleaning car - cheap & remove a lot of oil and grease. Some rust,and paint from an airbrush will be removed. However dust will remain there. Moreover its quite heavy to pull and certain switches are quite an obstacle.
Hercat car with rotating brush - rubish. Rotating brush won't rotate due to friction between track and brush. Also it derails at every switch. Designed vor 2 rail.
Lux vacuum cleaner+grinding combo - perfect! It removes al dirt. Trains drive perfect after several round with this device. You'll be amazed by the amount of dust collected by the vacuum cleaner. Positive thing is, that also the places you cant reach by hand, will be cleaned by this combo (tunnels, hidden stations, track under the catenary). Recently if fitted the grinding machine with a filt brush to deal with oil and grease stuff. On the negative side: it it as expensive as a nice train.
Dont know what lay out you have. If you have a larger one and you have the money, buy the lux. If you have a smaller one and you dont want to spend the money, go for a combination of Roco cleaning car and Noch pads.
Question: does any one know if and when the Lux "mittelleiterreinigungswagen (Jawohl!!)" or centerpiole cleaning car can be bought? Its announced for 2009 but it still cant be ordered.
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Thank you for the comparative information on cleaning cars, Evil. Any experience with the Centreline cleaning car?
Btw, what is this Lux "mittelleiterreinigungswagen (Jawohl!!)". Is this a new type of cleaning car?
Right now, I do not have a layout. I am in the process of planning, designing and constructing a layout.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Evil R
Lux vacuum cleaner+grinding combo - perfect! It removes al dirt. Trains drive perfect after several round with this device. You'll be amazed by the amount of dust collected by the vacuum cleaner. Positive thing is, that also the places you cant reach by hand, will be cleaned by this combo (tunnels, hidden stations, track under the catenary). Recently if fitted the grinding machine with a filt brush to deal with oil and grease stuff. On the negative side: it it as expensive as a nice train.
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Hi Evil,
I forgot to ask in my previous post, what a "filt brush" is? Do you mean felt? Where can I get one of these?
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Hi Evil,
The felt brush is item number 9047, right?
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The combination vacuumcleaner/grinder, I bought is this one: http://shop.lokshop.de/p...50&products_id=25562But there is a slightly cheaper one with a cheaper mabuchi engine. Mittelleiter reinigungswagen:I ment this one: http://shop.lokshop.de/p...o.php?products_id=132046 Its a coach similar to the other two, but has a oscilating brush to deal with the 3rd rail. Would be a nice contribution to my cleaning train! Felt brush 9047 is what I bought, correct. Its quite easy to swap the brushes. No experience with the centerlineproduct.
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Thank you so much for all that info, Evil.
I couldn't see much of the grinding and vacuuming operation in the video! Thanks anyways.
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Hallo guys
I had a look at the Lux-Modellbau website and then at Lokshop as well. Since i could not find and explanation of the “Mittelleiterreinigung – MLR1” system i e-mailed Lux-Modellbau and received a quick response from Sylvia Lux to give me some guidance. NOTE that i have translated most of this from German, my German is very limited so there could be mistakes! If one of our German speaking members can check my translation i will forward the original info via e-mail.
The “Mittelleiterreinigung – MLR1” car (part no. 9018 – for the car fitted with a digital decoder unit) is available as a fully assemble unit which can be used with or without the “vacuum car” from Lux. The centre rail cleaning car has a “miniature belt sander” fitted underneath the car which only cleans the centre rail. The “belt” can be replaced as a spare part number 9049, and i assume it will be a very “soft / mild abrasive action” material.
Alternatively you can buy this “miniature belt sander” as a part (part no. 9029) and fit this to your “outer rail” scrubber (part number 9010 to 9027). Thus you will be able to alternatively change the cleaning car to clean either the outer or centre rail on three rail systems.
They also have a system / technology called SSF-09. Apparently this technology is now available on their track cleaning & vacuum “cars” and allows the stop / start control of the locomotive which is used to pull the cleaning & vacuum cars.
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