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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by jeroen
<br />Gators are not my cup of tea Jeroen - had thought the very same ... [:I] Til McLae introduced me to the three BIG-SINUS Gators #39221, #39222 and #39223, M's very best and most beautiful heavy Electrics, ever (prefer them even over my GG-1). So better never get your hands on such dream loco. Or you are done ...  [}:)][xx(][:p]     |
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Hi John, Luckily I have been inoculated both by a general anti-electrics vaccine and the UP-only vaccine, so I can face the challenge confidently  Jeroen |
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Does anyone know the name of the NY Dealer that requested the White Croc??? |
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Thanks fellas,
On the basis of the previous posts, I don't think I'll bother with a whistle. I haven't been inoculated, and Märklin will at some stage offer a whistled model, with a different number, so I'll be forced to buy it anyway!
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I blame John, he passed the Gator/Croc virus on.......
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Very nice, Thanks for the pictures Lutz. |
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Overestimated if i may add. |
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Hoe much is a 32000 these days? |
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It is a very expensive rare model. |
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39223 arrived from Germany this week. My very first Gator! Total score, 2 Crocs, 1 Gator!  
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Very nice, I only have two Gators (39223 and 37224). |
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Excellent David, i have its cousin the 39221, they r among the best M HO products. |
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Very nice, David.
I have the 39921, too. |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz
<br />39223 arrived from Germany this week. My very first Gator! Big congratulations, my friend - with this one you just got M's top Gator, ever  [:p][^] But with #s 39221 & 39222 still left guess ya know this is dangerous territory ... [}:)] |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by john black<br />But with #s 39221 & 39222 still left guess ya know this is dangerous territory ... [}:)] And then there's the 37225 set............real dangerous territory!
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Here is a video with a DB BR 194 with 50 coal carriages. |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by john black<br />And though it never was - I'd buy an NYC Gator right on the spot. If it wears a <u>genuine</u> NYC livery not a very good photo, but there is a real thing  so the Classis Lionel locomotive is at least loosely based on an actual locomotive. its located at the Illinois RR Museum near Union, IL. about half way between Rockford and Chicago. Its jammed in between many other locos, and most in this section are not in good condition. Edited by moderator 11 January 2011 19:17:41(UTC)
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here's another example of the Lionel NYC croc/gator this one is at the St Louis Transportation musuem. its kept in a little better condition - maybe had a coat of sherwin williams in the last 50 years?  and here's some sort of baby gator/croc that is a little out of place. its also at the St Louis Transportation museum. The plaque said its an Italian loco. FS E.550.025 is what the placard said on the side of the cab.  it was the lone non-US train at that museum. Edited by moderator 11 January 2011 19:16:46(UTC)
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I think that the bottom one needs a good clean and some polishing, Jon |
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Svein, while you are at it, you might as well go digital. It could do with the latest decoder with whistle. But the real question will be what colour to paint it. regards Kimball |
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Wow, Lutz, what a beautiful model. Please tell us about it.
Is it O gauge?
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SWISS TEE ?
to purchase, could be a lot of money
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Nice model, Lutz.
Thanks for the link. |
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Hi Lutz,
That is an excellent model for HO scale. Looking closely at the connecting rod bearings, and the buffer beam details, it is almost to be expected in fine scale O.
Thanks for the catalog, interesting reading.
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Hi Lutz. Nice model. Congratulations on the conversion.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Hemmerich<br />Back to the root (also of this thread). [.... Hi Lutz they look great thanks for the pics - so the delivery has started on these - Hopefully I will get my set soon.[:p][:p] What does the display box/cabinet look like? I hope it is not a big heavy thing that can get damaged during shipping.. Our shipping chaps here are a bit heavy handed on the parcels....[:(] |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Tony<br /> Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Hemmerich<br />Back to the root (also of this thread). [.... Hi Lutz they look great thanks for the pics - so the delivery has started on these - Hopefully I will get my set soon.[:p][:p] What does the display box/cabinet look like? I hope it is not a big heavy thing that can get damaged during shipping.. Our shipping chaps here are a bit heavy handed on the parcels....[:(] ok sorry guys just saw all the info from Lutz in the other thread |
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Congratulations, Lutz. |
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Did the E91 haul passenger trains at all?
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RFJ-Trains hinted in their newsletter last week that there might be another crocodile set in the making by Märklin this year. Does anyone know anything about it?
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Quote:Originally posted by Armando
<br />RFJ-Trains hinted in their newsletter last week that there might be another crocodile set in the making by Märklin this year. Does anyone know anything about it?
Hi Armando,
As I understand it , there is a second release of the 31859 set, new
# 31860, limited to 500 sets. As I understand it the only difference
is that it will have no sequential numbering as set 31859 does.
Price from RJF IF he gets it is US$2600.00. The black crocs are about
800 - 850.00 I think.
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Picture of 39564, the 'Black' Crocdile. 
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz
<br />Picture of 39564, the 'Black' Crocdile.
What exactly is this black crocodile about? Is this included in the mysterious new set? |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Jeremy Palmer<br /> Quote:Originally posted by Armando
<br />RFJ-Trains hinted in their newsletter last week that there might be another crocodile set in the making by Märklin this year. Does anyone know anything about it?
Hi Armando,
As I understand it , there is a second release of the 31859 set, new
# 31860, limited to 500 sets. As I understand it the only difference
is that it will have no sequential numbering as set 31859 does.
Price from RJF IF he gets it is US$2600.00. The black crocs are about
800 - 850.00 I think.
Jeremy.
Hi Jeremy, Would you be so kind to post a link where I could read up on this mysterious new set, including the black crocodile? Unless I'm looking in the wrong places, I haven't been able to find any information on the Märklin site or on RFJ-Trains, Lokshop, Eurorailhobbies, Euro Model Trains, etc. sites. Thanks!!!! |
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I'm curious about something... From what year on were crocodiles painted in green livery? |
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This information was provided by Steventrain:
"Three more new items for 2009
A new starter set 29800 with DB V80 (with or without noise reduction unit), 4 wagons Kls443 with load, tracks and Delta Control 199,95 €.
A decoration package 150 years Märklin with two new items:
31860 SBB Set with 3 Crocs in decoration version 1499,00 €
39564 SBB Croc in red/black like a steam engine 479,00 €
Just a notice that 31860 is already sold out with limited to 500 set only.
The 39564 is limited to 2000 models delivery Q4, May be sold out."
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Hi David,
Thanks for piccy. If I ever saw a model crying out to be weathered it
is this one. Bet it happens.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Armando:
<br />I'm curious about something... From what year on were crocodiles painted in green livery?
According to the information given in Christian Zellweger's book on the Ce 6/8 II and the Ce 6/8 III, the Ce 6/8 III was the last locomotive series leaving the factory in brown livery. Exact data on when SBB changed to green don't seem to exist anymore. However around 1929 more and more locomotives are painted green (Tannengrün). Source: "Krokodil Königin der Elektrolokomotieven" Christian Zellweger SBB Historic, ISBN: 3-909111-19-X Kind regards Guus |
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Hi Bigdaddynz, Yes that is the one. The running nuber '1859' as 150 years of Marklin. |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Guus<br /> Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Armando:
<br />I'm curious about something... From what year on were crocodiles painted in green livery?
According to the information given in Christian Zellweger's book on the Ce 6/8 II and the Ce 6/8 III, the Ce 6/8 III was the last locomotive series leaving the factory in brown livery. Exact data on when SBB changed to green don't seem to exist anymore. However around 1929 more and more locomotives are painted green (Tannengrün). Source: "Krokodil Königin der Elektrolokomotieven" Christian Zellweger SBB Historic, ISBN: 3-909111-19-X Kind regards Guus Thank you for the tip about the crocodile book. |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by jonquinn<br /> Nice pic, What class is it please? |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain
<br />Nice pic, What class is it please?
Stephen, see pg 7 of this thread.
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In January NEW M said quarter II. Now in July still nothing on the rise. Wonder what's so difficult in making a bread & butter model from year 1964. But then those "super-managers" [xx(] have fired most of the brave old workers ... Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by john black<br />The brand new set of classic HO Gators #37225. Though sans whistle they are just beauties [:p][:p][:p] *** left side: E194 in chrom-oxyde green *** right side: E94 in bottle green *** And as a very first in M's history of post-war HO Gators: this E194 got a black roof ...  |
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John, I'm still waiting for 37993 BB to arrive. Supposed to be this month. I see it is orange traffic light on the M Product database.
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Guess we need a bit of luck, my friend |
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