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Did anybody know what the differences between 37993(released in 2009) and 37991(insider in 2005)?
i checked them, which are almost the same except the different road number. The other distinction is the 37991's symbol of the material in cabin is marked in black (metal) but 37993 is white (plastic).
does it mean the cabin is not made of metal any more?
Is 37993 just released for 150th anniversary?
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by shannon
i checked them, which are almost the same except the different road number. The other distinction is the 37991's symbol of the material in cabin is marked in black (metal) but 37993 is white (plastic).
That symbol actually meant that "Metal frame and mostly metal locomotive body" - so meant that some details or part of the body is plastic - doesn't mean that the cabin will definately be plastic. But good point though, I hadn't noticed that the previous Big Boys have the "All metal" symbol while the 37993 got the above. |
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Maybe the 37993 will have telex couplers ???
I have the 37990. 37991 and the 37991(weathered)
All three have plastic cabs.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by shannon
<br />Did anybody know what the differences between 37993(released in 2009) and 37991(insider in 2005)?
i checked them, which are almost the same except the different road number. The other distinction is the 37991's symbol of the material in cabin is marked in black (metal) but 37993 is white (plastic).
does it mean the cabin is not made of metal any more?
Is 37993 just released for 150th anniversary?
Hi Shannon, The 37993 has at least one advantage over the 37991. It can control the smoke generators with the decoder. The 37991 (and 37992) have the smoke generators permanently switched on (connected directly to the pickup shoe) which is not very nice in my opinion as the two Seuthe 11 smoke generators get very hot. One had to make some modifications by either installing a separate decoder in the tender or something to control the smoke or use one of the light outputs of the decoder to control a relay. [xx(] Another difference is that the 37993 has warm-white LEDs. The 37991 and 37992 had yellow LEDs. I am not sure if this is a progress. The yellow lights look very good and realistic on this model in my opinion. Because of the decoder control of the smoke I would definitely prefer the 37993 over the 37991. Compared to the 37992 (weathered version) I would be in doubt. Price might have to decide. Jacob
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Dear all
Thanks for your relies and sharing.
i was wondering as well what the standard to equipped with bell shape (37xxx) or SDS (39xxx) motor in Marklin's locs.
SDS motor is the newly developed type. Why Big Boy as the flagship loc is not used?
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Shannon, I guess the reason why the 37993 has the can type motor is because apparently there were bodies left over from previous production runs, which I would think Marklin are now using. Hence, the same motor type as before (Please correct me if I am wrong in my 'suppositions').
Jacob, the Lokshop have announced their price for the Big Boy, 639.72 euro with VAT, 537.58 ex VAT (Marklin RRP is 799 euros). Even though the NZ$ has dropped badly against the euro of late, I'm still keen to get one having missed out last time around.
Davy, I don't think there has been any mention of telex couplers for this model, but as Lutz has pointed out elsewhere, sometimes the delivered model can differ to the details announced in the brochure, so you never know!
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz
Davy, I don't think there has been any mention of telex couplers for this model, but as Lutz has pointed out elsewhere, sometimes the delivered model can differ to the details announced in the brochure, so you never know!
Wrong...! Marklin is following tradition by presentation all functions that there is on the model. Forget about telexcouple on the big boy...! You are or else forcement to change the body of big boy to placement telexcouple there...! I don´t think Marklin will do that either too...! And besides,there is american trainmodelers too who wants Kadee couples instead to change at big boy...! Goofy |
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Goofy, I didn't say the Big Boy would have telex couplers. I don't even think it will, I am 99.99% sure of that. The new items brochure makes no mention of it! All I'm doing is repeating Lutz's comment that sometimes the delivered model can differ to the details announced in the brochure. So who knows what Marklin might decide to do at the last minute? They could decide to paint it pink for all I know (I'm 100% sure they won't).
So I'm not wrong, because I haven't made any statements that are wrong. Are you a Marklin official and can say this for sure? Do you have inside information?
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz
<br />Goofy, I didn't say the Big Boy would have telex couplers. I don't even think it will, I am 99.99% sure of that.
So I'm not wrong, because I haven't made any statements that are wrong. Are you a Marklin official and can say this for sure? Do you have inside information?
If you are so sure about that,then in case why are you standing questions to me for...??? Goofy  |
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Because for some reason you think I'm wrong about something!
I have NO 'standing' questions for you!
And anyway, are you saying Lutz is wrong?? Or are you saying the New Items Brochure is wrong? Because, that is how your reply reads!
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Now you are blaiming away respons...
Are you scared,just because i have right...?
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Frostie
<br />Maybe the 37993 will have telex couplers ???
I have the 37990. 37991 and the 37991(weathered)
All three have plastic cabs.
No telex couplere.
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Big Boy 37993 has 16 functions. |
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Big Boy 37991 also has 16 functions AFAIK.
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What ever it has i am stoked, i just ordered mine, always wanted one!  should have it by early APRIL! |
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I purchased I guess one you did not mention that was issued after the insider but before this new one. The main difference is that it has an MFX decoder. Not sure about the smoke control - I think it is controlled through the decoder. I'll see if I can dig up the item number,etc. I got it at a closeout deal from RJF trains.
Oh - I found an old email - I have the 37991 which was a second release that has MFX. Paid 625 new.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by ckreling
<br />I purchased I guess one you did not mention that was issued after the insider but before this new one. The main difference is that it has an MFX decoder. Not sure about the smoke control - I think it is controlled through the decoder. I'll see if I can dig up the item number,etc. I got it at a closeout deal from RJF trains.
Oh - I found an old email - I have the 37991 which was a second release that has MFX. Paid 625 new.
Nope. 37991 was the first MFx Big Boy. Big Boy 37990 was Fx. 37991 decoder doesn´t control the smoke generator contacts. They are always on. |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by steventrain<br /> Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by river6109
<br />Big Boy 37993 has 16 functions.
Yes, It is correct, See digital functions table of 37993 http://catalog.lokshop.de/MAR/2009.News/E/146.jpg Yepp...! And there is no telexcouple...! Goofy |
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Only the MFX 37991 couldnt switch the smoke off.I have the BigBoy from the 848 American starter set,which is essentially the 37990,and mine can switch the smoke off.  |
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Your BB is looking a bit tiny, Riekus. Mine's way longer ... Seriously, you're right  - M made this "mistake" only with their first MFX-BB (my #37991) |
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ETS tell me that 37993 is due in April.
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If i could put a new MFX decoder at my 4015 i would have the same as the 37993.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by alonso231gery
<br />If i could put a new MFX decoder at my 4015 i would
have the same as the 37993. But i do not dare to open it. Nikos, when you start thinking loudly about such I'm never sure if you really want it ... [:I] [:p] On the other hand, should this become serious matter - ya know the perfect solution very well  But knowing you I guess you won't change her. Cos you like both in their respective conditions [:p][:p][:p] Still more - M's latest MFX-decoder for the BB is darn expensive [xx(] And then she also would lose her unique attitude ... [:p] (the only BB I'd ever give an decoder swap were that poor Delta thing #34990) |
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How well would one of these big boys work in a switch yard? I would think that they would shine on long sweeping curves; but, be a bit gawky in the tight stuff. (The thought of the telex coupler got me to thinking that it would really be more appropriate on a switch engine.)
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Quite true John , yes you are right, 34990 would-should be the only loco that "can" be "operated". |
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Well, Ralph - I'd prefer TELEX on a BB not for shunting but for switching trains more easily ... Let's say today my BB is pulling heavy freight. But tomorrow she's heading my streamliners !!! (like UP does with their beautifully restored 4-6-6-4 CHALLENGER & those yellow coaches) [:p] |
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Thanks Lutz. I never ever expected the BB would have telex, I guess I was winding Goofy up a bit by repeating your statement re Marklin reserving the right to make last minute changes.
I'll be happy with the BB, telex or no telex!
Are you getting one, Lutz? Or is American not your 'thing'?
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Just been having a look at some of the Trix items on the ETS website. The Trix 21507 Big Boy Magnum set looks to be quite nice, the cost at 648.99 euro is not much more than the 37993 at 599 euros (inc VAT). Jeroen (jerdenberg) has already detailed how a previous Trix BB can be converted to 3 rail running, hopefully this one would be no different. Anyone looking to get one of these sets? http://www.modelleisenba...8ed93b6c0b1b221522ca582f(Look for 29-21507)
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Marklin has already presentation all function at Big Boy 37993 with an function-list via brochyr news 2009 and there WILL NOT BEEN AN TELEX COUPLE...! Goofy |
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Goofy, why are you still blathering on about telex couplers? It was stated, when the first question was asked, that there was no telex couplers on the Big Boy. We already know that!
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz
<br />Goofy, why are you still blathering on about telex couplers? It was stated, when the first question was asked, that there was no telex couplers on the Big Boy. We already know that!
Because you are still writing about telexcouple at Big Boy...? Goofy |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Bigdaddynz<br />Just been having a look at some of the Trix items on the ETS website. The Trix 21507 Big Boy Magnum set looks to be quite nice, the cost at 648.99 euro is not much more than the 37993 at 599 euros (inc VAT). Jeroen (jerdenberg) has already detailed how a previous Trix BB can be converted to 3 rail running, hopefully this one would be no different. Anyone looking to get one of these sets? http://www.modelleisenba...8ed93b6c0b1b221522ca582f(Look for 29-21507) bigdaddynz, would you have a link to the conversion process? Here is a link to a more complete description. 21507 Start Set "Big Boy" UP (X4011), 7 Freight Cars http://www.amerklin.net/...alog/item.php?item=21507Regards. |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Goofy
<br />Because you are still writing about telexcouple at Big Boy...? And so do I. Since there're still chances M's latest BB might even have a couple of TELEX couplers [}:)] One at front, one at back. What the heck, Goofy ... Who knows. Seeing is believing |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by GSRR<br />bigdaddynz, would you have a link to the conversion process? Here is a link to a more complete description. 21507 Start Set "Big Boy" UP (X4011), 7 Freight Cars http://www.amerklin.net/...alog/item.php?item=21507Regards. I'll see if I can find it for you Thomas. Otherwise, I do have the thread saved as an 'mht' file that can be opened by Internet Explorer.
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They started to deliver 37993 BigBoy from Märklin today. I guess that is interesting ...... |
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<br />Only the MFX 37991 couldnt switch the smoke off.I have the BigBoy from the 848 American starter set,which is essentially the 37990,and mine can switch the smoke off.
That's the truth , you are right , definitely !
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Wahoo! Thanks for that information, Tom. ETS confirmed price ex VAT is 499 euro plus postage!
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Thanks for the information Tom. ETS told me that it will be available sometime in April and I will receive it sometime in May. Hopefully it will get here a lot sooner. |
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And at: http://cgi.ebay.de/Maerk...m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A1|39%3A1|240%3A1318 This one is from seller fit991, who I think Lutz may have previously had a 'fit' about in regard to this guy not being an authorised M dealer. So, be careful!
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The Fit991 have 32 Negative feedback in the past 12 months - Most are damage in tne transport/delivery. Seller dont answer email and Can't replace it! Avoid it.[xx(]
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Or ETS, 499 EUR without VAT.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Bigdaddynz<br />Or ETS, 499 EUR without VAT. You mean the website http://www.modelleisenbahn.com/info/shops_e.phpCan you find the 37993 on site? I can't find 2009 new items. |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by steventrain<br /> Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Bigdaddynz<br />Or ETS, 499 EUR without VAT. You mean the website http://www.modelleisenbahn.com/info/shops_e.phpCan you find the 37993 on site? I can't find 2009 new items. Stephen, try preislisten or web shop. 37993 is listed at 500 Euros |
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I can't find it now, not even by doing a search!
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<br />I can't find it now, not even by doing a search!
Hey, you're right! The last time I saw that was on Saturday morning NZ time (I think). I guess all of their ordered number had been sold out. |
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