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A bit lost what this is all about now. However I will never drive a steamer with a mobile phone which is used only for calls etc. The new product looks OK but could be too pricey to be worth buying.
Anyway not only dinner Dave but I am not late for lunch as well...and it is almost time now. |
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz 
Mobile apps for train control are rubbish, because the gyros in most mobile phones are too sensitive and it is all too easy to inadvertently adjust the throttle setting to maximum - speaking from experience here.
Yeah - happens to me sometimes with a stray finger touch - or at least that is what I assume and I hate it. I can see how it could be a reaction to ultra sensitive gyros. It is definitely not much fun and occasionally quite disastrous in a yard or other tight situation. Overall though I feel that I have very good speed control with their interfaces on my tablet, which I think is a much better platform than a phone. I have a nice phone but I virtually never us it as a mobile controller but I use my tablet app a lot. Soon any wifi connected browser will be able to host a fully featured interface to the CS3 via their web interface, which is getting better on a regular basis.  I know - it does it now, but it is still not quite there yet from what I can tell. At their current update timeline though it will meet or surpass the interface on the CS3 before too long, and the CS3 will be the computer hosting the main layout processing of all digital functions and controlled by various web interfaces, including its own. That is an excellent concept that makes their system more versatile and easier to use for a lot of different users and I think that everyone benefits. |
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Siblings, but not twins - Massoth Navigator & LGB RC3 Controller: Delivery of the new hand-held radio controller has been delayed to 4Q3019. The original equipment maker Massoth is selling a controller that looks identical from the outside and is both readily available and a little bit cheaper. Therefore, I was tempted to cut out the middle man. Now research revealed that the two controllers are „same, same, but different“ (see below link for more details). As I am not totally convinced of the compatibility, I will be patient and wait for the Märklin/LGB product release. https://www.spur-g-blog....h-navigator-und-lgb-rc3/(German article, thus Google Translate needs to be called to the rescue.) |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Siblings, but not twins - Massoth Navigator & LGB RC3 Controller: Delivery of the new hand-held radio controller has been delayed to 4Q3019. The original equipment maker Massoth is selling a controller that looks identical from the outside and is both readily available and a little bit cheaper. Therefore, I was tempted to cut out the middle man. Now research revealed that the two controllers are „same, same, but different“ (see below link for more details). As I am not totally convinced of the compatibility, I will be patient and wait for the Märklin/LGB product release. https://www.spur-g-blog....h-navigator-und-lgb-rc3/(German article, thus Google Translate needs to be called to the rescue.) Good idea. Because the difference will be the compatibility with the CAN-Bus from Märklin. Whereas the Massoth radio receiver 8131001 is compatible with the DiMAX-Bus from Massoth or PIKO-Gartenbahn. For PIKO-H0 are different solutions availbale. For Maerklin you must use the RC3 radio receiver from Maerklin or LGB (both art #55057), which are compatible with the Maerklin CAN-Bus.
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The bad news from the article is that they are replacing the 433Mhz frequency with the 2.4Ghz.. In a world already saturated with mobile phones and cheap home Wi-Fi the chances of interference (and consequentially less range) is very high.. Perhaps they assume that anyone with a garden railway lives on acreage..  |
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 Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Siblings, but not twins - Massoth Navigator & LGB RC3 Controller:
Delivery of the new hand-held radio controller has been delayed to 4Q3019........ Only 12.003 months to wait  Per |
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12,003 months........not 12.003.....
A millennium in other words....
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I have scheduled a time buffer to be on the safe side in case of further delays. Still, I hope that the delivery takes place in the second millennium.
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I will freeze myself and waken when the item is available. |
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Originally Posted by: David Dewar I will freeze myself and waken when the item is available.  |
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz 12,003 months........not 12.003.....
A millennium in other words.... Part of the world uses the ',' (comma) as the thousands seperator, the other part uses the '.' (dot) as the thousands seperator (and in both cases use the other one as the radix point ). Its something one has to be familiar with in an international environment. Just like some nations have names for the various thousand increment sequences of numbers being: thousands->millions->milliards->billions->trillions and other countries dropped the milliards (which is a thousand million) and use thousands->millions->billions->trillions Which results in the word "billion" meaning one of two different amounts, depending on who is using it in which context. Its either 1,000,000,000 or 1,000,000,000,000. Some counties designate date as day-month-year ( 1/2/2020 is 1st of February), while others use month-day-year ( 1/2/2020 is 2nd of January). |
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Originally Posted by: Minok
and other countries dropped the milliards (which is a thousand million) and use
Never heard the term 'milliards' before, it was always 'thosand million' when I was a lad ... Originally Posted by: Minok
Some counties designate date as day-month-year ( 1/2/2020 is 1st of February), while others use month-day-year ( 1/2/2020 is 2nd of January).
And there are others that use year-month-day which works nicest when computer sorting dates ... Also with such a long time before release they should have the bugs out of the system by then.
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Originally Posted by: Minok Part of the world uses the ',' (comma) as the thousands seperator...... I'm well aware of that....... 
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Originally Posted by: Purellum To quote a famous astronaut, "Somebody's upside down!"
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Originally Posted by: Purellum To quote a famous astronaut, "Somebody's upside down!" To me, I’m standing on the top of the world and the Northern Hemispherians are on the bottom. |
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Originally Posted by: PJMärklin Please, let us be clear about this, we in the antipodes are not upside-down !!! So why is it that you, to prove your point, shows us a map, which is called: THE WORLD
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Originally Posted by: Minok Just like some nations have names for the various thousand increment sequences of numbers being: thousands->millions->milliards->billions->trillions There also are billiards and trilliards. A billiard is 10^15 in Germany while it is a quadrillion in other regions. |
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Originally Posted by: PJMärklin Yeah but so quick got Denmark down under.
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Interesting topic this. Will the new hand held controller be OK for me as I am left handed...will they make two versions. Also I am the right way up but those down under might need a version made upside down. If my old pal Nev would join in this thread the party would be complete as his contribution would include dark suckers. |
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According to the LGB website delivery is now planned for December of this year. |
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Originally Posted by: David Dewar Will the new hand held controller be OK for me as I am left handed...will they make two versions. Also I am the right way up but those down under might need a version made upside down. If my old pal Nev would join in this thread the party would be complete as his contribution would include dark suckers. Yes, I would need an upside down right handed version, which when right side up would be a left handed version. The handheld controller should work fine providing it isn't made for Marklin by Lord Lucas, the Prince of Darkness. Then we will need dark suckers to suck the dark out of the controller so that it will work again.
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek According to the LGB website delivery is now planned for December of this year. Perfekt timing to release a controller for garden model railroads in December. At least here in Scandinavia it will take a few months before anyone can use it outdoors... |
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Originally Posted by: kgsjoqvist Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek According to the LGB website delivery is now planned for December of this year. Perfekt timing to release a controller for garden model railroads in December. At least here in Scandinavia it will take a few months before anyone can use it outdoors... When would you have issued the new controllers? In May? Then the Australians and Kiwis can have the same concern as you got. On the other hand are the Scandinavians very, very experienced with snow clearance. Why not with am MRR garden railroad too? Some ideas presented at You Tube Seeing this videos I get a new feeling for playing with a garden MRR in snow.  Why do you want to wait a few months? No need for it. Do snow clearance. BTW these snow fountains are looking quite funny to me.
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Actually, our model railroad habits align.. In December, when it is too cold for you to play outside, it is too hot for us (30-40C) so we are inside our air-conditioned train rooms.. In winter, when it is usually a nice 25C in the daytime, we are outside with our Gauge 1 railways.. |
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Originally Posted by: xxup Actually, our model railroad habits align.. In December, when it is too cold for you to play outside, it is too hot for us (30-40C) so we are inside our air-conditioned train rooms.. In winter, when it is usually a nice 25C in the daytime, we are outside with our Gauge 1 railways.. How sad, never a chance for a snow plough in Australia. 
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Planned delivery slipped to 1Q2020. |
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Expected delivery now March 2020 according to LGB. |
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I plan to get one of these things, when I replace the partially broken eCOS 2 with a CS3 Plus later this year.. My eCOS 2 has developed a problem with the RH side of the screen.. Fortunately, for me my layout is computer controlled so my need to access the eCOS 2 screen directly is minimal. I was disappointed that ESU did not announce an eCOS 3 in their new items catalogue. So, it looks like I will have to go the Marklin way later this year..  |
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Sigh:
Planned delivery slipped to 2Q2020. |
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December says the LGB website. |
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Status on LGB website changed to:
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Sigh! And the alternative is planned to use wireless LAN. Let's hope that there is a 5Ghz option as the 2.4Ghz network is saturated.. |
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I like the idea of a knob to control speed, but my finger works pretty good on the web control server on an iPhone. There are glitches that need to be fixed though. I fear all their development time will now be spent on the new controller and the web control server will languish. (Why give away something for free when you can charge what the market will bear?) |
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"a knob to control speed" I don't think so ,I would rather have a dial :)
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I do not believe that Märklin will abandon the web server approach to providing distributed UIs for the CS3. That is their one size fits all remote access solution and their current path forward. It improves on and replaces the old MainStation app and a CS3 can now be controlled by anything with a browser, with no additional (and expensive) software. I think it is a great step forward.
I think the LGB thing was poorly thought out and died a natural death. A mobile browser sounds good for an outdoor setting but it was more of a novelty and not really needed in tough economic times.
On the other hand a wireless Mobile Station makes a lot of sense to me, and I know it has been discussed before. It has a very functional interface that many people already know and a physical knob, but not tethered by a cord. If I were a product engineer at Märklin, I would give that idea a good, long look. |
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Originally Posted by: Jay
"a knob to control speed" I don't think so ,I would rather have a dial :) I suspect they are actually one and the same. As in "something round turned by the fingers" |
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