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Offline hxmiesa  
#1 Posted : 26 February 2020 12:21:07(UTC)
hxmiesa

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Hi,

I want to repaint some older Märklin locos;

For example;
1. A very old metal BR141/E41 From blue/beige to blue epoch III.
2. Plastic akku-treibwagen BR515 from blue/beige to red epoch III.

I have never done anything like this, although I am getting quite handy with the airbrush and painting in general...

Questions;
1. Can I strip the old paint with brake-fluid and a toothbrush?
2. Is it necessary to strip the paint from plastic-models? (is brake-fluid OK for plastic?)
3. Is "satinated" the right surface-finish for the job?
4. Where can I buy all the needed decals to apply after painting?

5. Would it be worth the effort (is it at all feasable???) to try to repaint a V200, with its5detailed V-shaped decorations?
Best regards
Henrik Hoexbroe ("The Dane In Spain")
http://hoexbroe.tripod.com
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Offline thing fish  
#2 Posted : 26 February 2020 13:26:35(UTC)
thing fish

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Originally Posted by: hxmiesa Go to Quoted Post

Questions;
1. Can I strip the old paint with brake-fluid and a toothbrush?
2. Is it necessary to strip the paint from plastic-models? (is brake-fluid OK for plastic?)
3. Is "satinated" the right surface-finish for the job?
4. Where can I buy all the needed decals to apply after painting?

5. Would it be worth the effort (is it at all feasable???) to try to repaint a V200, with its5detailed V-shaped decorations?


Hi,

1) Brake fluid is NO GO! You'll ruin the plastic.
2) Better to strip ... no brake fluid, you can find paint removers that won't ruin plastic.
3) Satin finish is my favorite but up to your liking.
4) I don't know but if you're up to it you can make them yourself. Search internet; there is a product called "liquid decal film".
5) Feasible, imo worth it ... I've done the V200 twice and I'm very happy with the results.

C.
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Offline hxmiesa  
#3 Posted : 26 February 2020 13:38:44(UTC)
hxmiesa

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Originally Posted by: thing fish Go to Quoted Post
1) Brake fluid is NO GO! You'll ruin the plastic.
...
5) Feasible, imo worth it ... I've done the V200 twice and I'm very happy with the results.

So the brake fluid is OK for the metal-shells?

Can I see a photo of your V200 jobs, please?
Best regards
Henrik Hoexbroe ("The Dane In Spain")
http://hoexbroe.tripod.com
Offline thing fish  
#4 Posted : 27 February 2020 12:25:28(UTC)
thing fish

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Hi,

Yes, brake fluid is ok on metal.

I'll post photos of the one I still have, the other one painted to blue-beige livery I sold some time ago and unfortunately I don't have photos of it - maybe I have but have to search my archives.

Best,

C.
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Offline hxmiesa  
#5 Posted : 27 February 2020 12:51:21(UTC)
hxmiesa

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Thanks Thing Fish!

Guys, I still need help with what product to buy for stripping plastic shells, and some some names/adresses for getting the decals.
I know of course how to use Google, but it would be nice with some verified OKAY names and brands to start out with!

Thing fish; The V200 is especially daring to paint. I cant really imagine how to paint the V-shaped design on the epoch III version?!
I mean... I´m only interessted in a completely professional look! lol
Best regards
Henrik Hoexbroe ("The Dane In Spain")
http://hoexbroe.tripod.com
Offline Carim  
#6 Posted : 27 February 2020 21:35:02(UTC)
Carim

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Hi,

I used Deluxe Materials "Strip Magic" (https://deluxematerials.co.uk/) to strip the paint off Z scale carriages; it was very effective and didn't damage the plastic - but I don't know if Märklin uses different plastic in HO scale from Z scale. For decals, I used Andreas Nothaft: https://www.modellbahndecals.de/

Carim
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Online Dave Banks  
#7 Posted : 28 February 2020 00:22:47(UTC)
Dave Banks

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For my two cents worth this is how I do it "Downunder". I go down to my local brake / CV joint / engineering shop & they give the naked body a light sandblasting & it's all done in a minute. Then you have a perfect rough surface to spray your etching primer etc on. The rest of the story is all up to you BigGrin.

Edited by user 28 February 2020 06:29:19(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

D.A.Banks
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Offline PhredD  
#8 Posted : 28 February 2020 02:20:18(UTC)
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For stripping paint off metal bodies my go-to is Rust-Oleum brand "Aircraft Remover" - fairly easy to find here in the US, but I have no idea on the availability elsewhere. While i haven't used it on Märklin loks, I have used it to remove paint from tin plate car bodies and roofs and die-cast cars - spray, wait 10 minutes, scrub with toothbrush, repeat.

For paint removal from plastic bodies, I use "Easy Off" oven cleaner, a spray foam product that I've found safe to use on various types of plastic. As above, the process is spray, wait 10 minutes, scrub with toothbrush (under running water is my technique), keep repeating as necessary. I've also used 90% denatured alcohol to remove paint off plastic - attached is a photo of my repainted BR212 from a starter set that I'm pretty sure I used that technique. (Paint was Testors Model master "British Crimson" over Tamiya primer, with decals from TL Modelbau.


A good primer is key for both. For metal bodies, look for an etching primer for a good use coat for the color to grab on to. For plastic bodies, whether finishing with an acrylic or enamel finish, I really like Tamiya's fine light gray primer - covers really well, dries quickly, and is thin so that it doesn't hide details.

Hope this is useful info.

Fred212 repaint.jpg
PhredD
Burke, VA USA
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Offline thing fish  
#9 Posted : 28 February 2020 12:05:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hxmiesa Go to Quoted Post
Thing fish; The V200 is especially daring to paint. I cant really imagine how to paint the V-shaped design on the epoch III version?!
I mean... I´m only interessted in a completely professional look! lol


Oh, easy, use Tamiya masking tape; it is a bit flexible and holds pretty good. When you finish painting the body let it dry completely and apply masking tape. Make sure it adheres propery by rubbing with your finger. Once you're satisfied cut out the tape with a hobby knife with a fresh (very sharp) tip. This operation is relatively easy since the V shape line is embossed all the way. Then hand-paint the lining. That's it! Enjoy the new looks.

C.

Offline Vincent727  
#10 Posted : 05 March 2020 20:38:38(UTC)
Vincent727

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Hi

Here are examples of redecoration of Marklin Lok's that I did ...

DSC06890.JPG

Wheels still to improve ... Black paint is not nicely done ...

DSC06920 bis.jpg

All paint is gone thanks to a bath in brake fluid for cars.

Then clean with soap

Then Primer

Then paint with Bomb ...

Best regards
Offline dominator  
#11 Posted : 05 March 2020 20:56:24(UTC)
dominator

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My 3053 started loosing its paint, so after reading on this forum, I used brake fluid to remove the rest of the paint. In this case, it did not effect the plastic body.
Dereck
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Offline thing fish  
#12 Posted : 07 March 2020 09:05:41(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dominator Go to Quoted Post
My 3053 started loosing its paint, so after reading on this forum, I used brake fluid to remove the rest of the paint. In this case, it did not effect the plastic body.
Dereck


Dereck hi,

Brake fluid makes plastic detoriate, this may not be visible if you keep the part in brake fluid for a short period of time. Try this: leave a plastic thing in brake fluid for 6 hours or so. You can see the result. Now, problem is detoriation starts rightaway but will not be visible even if it is there. Not a risk worth to take in my opinion since there are products that wouldn't harm plastic.

C.
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Offline hxmiesa  
#13 Posted : 30 June 2020 09:00:38(UTC)
hxmiesa

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Hi all,

Some time since I posted in this thread, but my project is still very much ON!

I have now researched the colours and the new numbering that I have to give the 1st loco.
An ocean-bue BR141, which I want to paint blue. Now, according to what I can find on the internet, I would "need" to give it the number E41-068, as this was one of very few that came with double headlights AND in blue colour.

So, I found a german website that offers transfers for a series of locos, -and for a modest sum also offer to change the lettering and numbering. BUT... he has no products in stock, and now it seems impossible to receive anything from Germany anyway, because of the covid interruptions. :-(((

So what other ways are there to give the loco all the right writings, texts and symbols?
Any good links? -as I havent been able to find anybody else.
(The BR141 that I want to paint has all the original lettering printed. Nothing embossed on the shell!)

Also, about painting; Should I use a primer, once the old Märklin paint has been removed? -I dont quite get it with the "priming"; why not just give it an additional hand of the same paint that I am going to use anyway??? (I will be painting with an airbush and Humbrol enamel colours)

---

On another note, ThingFish says that the V-shape is embossed on the V200 body. Not so. Mine is a terrible ocean-blue version w.o. any embossment, nor "DEUTSCHE BUNDESBAHN" lettering on the side. Making a curved V-shape with masking tape seems like a daring task... lol
Best regards
Henrik Hoexbroe ("The Dane In Spain")
http://hoexbroe.tripod.com
Offline hxmiesa  
#14 Posted : 01 July 2020 07:30:12(UTC)
hxmiesa

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This is the site that I mentioned in my previous mail;
https://www.modellbahndecals.de/Decals-Loks/
Anybody has experience with this vendor?
Best regards
Henrik Hoexbroe ("The Dane In Spain")
http://hoexbroe.tripod.com
Offline Carim  
#15 Posted : 01 July 2020 13:07:30(UTC)
Carim

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Yes, I used Andreas a few times for Z-scale decals and I have been very happy with the product and the service.

Carim
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Offline Carim  
#16 Posted : 01 July 2020 13:18:11(UTC)
Carim

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Originally Posted by: hxmiesa Go to Quoted Post
......the V-shape is embossed on the V200 body. Not so. Mine is a terrible ocean-blue version w.o. any embossment, nor "DEUTSCHE BUNDESBAHN" lettering on the side. Making a curved V-shape with masking tape seems like a daring task... lol


Have you considered getting a single colour decal sheet, cutting out a thin line and then curving that to get your V-shape?

Carim
Offline marklin81  
#17 Posted : 09 July 2020 01:21:37(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hxmiesa Go to Quoted Post
This is the site that I mentioned in my previous mail;
https://www.modellbahndecals.de/Decals-Loks/
Anybody has experience with this vendor?


I've also used Modellbahndecals.de. Very happy with results.
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