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Point being Goofy is on thin ice complaining about too many Swiss Insider models, as your list points out.
I did wrote another swiss model… Where did i wrote too many?  |
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While seeing Märklin's new Insider model of the SBB/NL TEE 39706 TEE-Dieseltriebzug SBB RAm 501 I thought to myself........ .................Don't I have that but in the 2 rail Trix version? I do! If anyone is interested this is as new as it gets and could be your if you desire. Let me know if you are interested. Has sound and all the bells and whistles, test run only! Any newer you can't get! Since I run Märklin this is redundant. Edited by user 30 November 2019 03:21:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Price 899 EUR.
Not interested as price is too expensive. I have to pass. I have to consider this aspect as well (even if it does come with a heap of passengers), as I retire in three weeks time. So for 2019 we had an electric loco (rangier Croc), a steam loco (Br78), and now a railcar. I'll have to get out my list to go further back to see the 'cycle'. So what would the second Insider model for 2020 be (as in type of loco, not specific Br#)? That would influence my decision.
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Don't I already own this in Plastic?? 3071-4071???
I have installed MFX decoder too.
I assume the older one is not to scale. |
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Originally Posted by: AntoinePrt The Big Boy 4014 maybe?  In Märklin magazin (05/2019), page 5 in the French version, there is a short paragraph on the 4014 Big Boy. And they say, at the very end, « more information on the Big Boy in the next magazin »  Marklin produced Big Boy #4014 in 2013. #37995 You will need to check eBay to get one.  |
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Originally Posted by: mrmarklin Don't I already own this in Plastic?? 3071-4071???
I have installed MFX decoder too.
I assume the older one is not to scale. 39700/3070/3071 93,5 cm 39706 113 cm |
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Originally Posted by: vilithejou Originally Posted by: mrmarklin Don't I already own this in Plastic?? 3071-4071???
I have installed MFX decoder too.
I assume the older one is not to scale. 39700/3070/3071 93,5 cm 39706 113 cm So for 9.5cm in length extra, I have to pay EUR 800????  |
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Originally Posted by: mrmarklin Originally Posted by: vilithejou Originally Posted by: mrmarklin Don't I already own this in Plastic?? 3071-4071???
I have installed MFX decoder too.
I assume the older one is not to scale. 39700/3070/3071 93,5 cm 39706 113 cm So for 9.5cm in length extra, I have to pay EUR 800???? I'm sure you meant 19.5cm. Still, that's about €40 per cm! |
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113-93.5=19.5cm
So the price per centimeter is about half.
You can also use weight instead of length. I don' thave numbers yet, but maybe it will be a bit better for the new one.
If you use motor power as the comparison criteria, then maybe the extra price is for less power...
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The price is high, yes, although I don't know what else could we expect different from the refurbished M*
Until now all I read about the model seems perfect. Maybe just diesel smoke like the ESU models have would make the price more acceptable. This said, I must say I use smoke in steamers very rare for keep the air breathable, so it is not something super important for me, specially in a diesel.
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Is not the Trix version with right scale? |
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Originally Posted by: mrmarklin Originally Posted by: AntoinePrt The Big Boy 4014 maybe? In Märklin magazin (05/2019), page 5 in the French version, there is a short paragraph on the 4014 Big Boy. And they say, at the very end, « more information on the Big Boy in the next magazin » Marklin produced Big Boy #4014 in 2013. #37995 You will need to check eBay to get one. Haha I already have it. Since the first day she was released. But I was hoping for a new version with the oil tender and a new sound. Maybe another time  Cheers Antoine
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Originally Posted by: AntoinePrt Haha I already have it. Since the first day she was released. But I was hoping for a new version with the oil tender and a new sound. Maybe another time Cheers Antoine Haha, you will get into trouble like the guys from the club that took our Thomas the Tank Engine layout out to a show. For some reason they had two Harold the Helicopters on it, and the small kids were giving them a right telling off - "You can't have two Harolds!!!". So you can't have two 4014 Big Boys, yah hear?
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Originally Posted by: mbarreto You can also use weight instead of length. I don' thave numbers yet... They talked about the weight of the train in the video - the guy on the left in the video got his electronic scales out and weighed all the coaches. The 'English' autotranslated subtitles were a bit garbled, but I got the impression that the total weight of the train was about 5 kilos, which seems rather heavy to me. Perhaps one of our German speaking friends can verify.
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Originally Posted by: mrmarklin Don't I already own this in Plastic?? 3071-4071???
I have installed MFX decoder too.
I assume the older one is not to scale. I reckon that I’ve already got seven of these altogether, including all previous models, versions, and Northlanders. I wonder how long it will be before we get a Northlander version of this new model . . . Nigel |
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Originally Posted by: Nigel Packer Originally Posted by: mrmarklin Don't I already own this in Plastic?? 3071-4071???
I have installed MFX decoder too.
I assume the older one is not to scale. I reckon that I’ve already got seven of these altogether, including all previous models, versions, and Northlanders. I wonder how long it will be before we get a Northlander version of this new model . . . Nigel Now that would be grand!
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 Originally Posted by: AntoinePrt Originally Posted by: mrmarklin Originally Posted by: AntoinePrt The Big Boy 4014 maybe? In Märklin magazin (05/2019), page 5 in the French version, there is a short paragraph on the 4014 Big Boy. And they say, at the very end, « more information on the Big Boy in the next magazin » Marklin produced Big Boy #4014 in 2013. #37995 You will need to check eBay to get one. Haha I already have it. Since the first day she was released. But I was hoping for a new version with the oil tender and a new sound. Maybe another time Cheers Antoine I think 7 Big Boys is enough for now. 😀 |
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Originally Posted by: mbarreto You can also use weight instead of length. I don' thave numbers yet... They talked about the weight of the train in the video - the guy on the left in the video got his electronic scales out and weighed all the coaches. The 'English' autotranslated subtitles were a bit garbled, but I got the impression that the total weight of the train was about 5 kilos, which seems rather heavy to me. Perhaps one of our German speaking friends can verify. 804 + 410 + 407 + 400 grams, totaling 2 kilos, Less than 45 cents per gram – sounds quite reassuring.. |
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Originally Posted by: mbarreto You can also use weight instead of length. I don' thave numbers yet... They talked about the weight of the train in the video - the guy on the left in the video got his electronic scales out and weighed all the coaches. The 'English' autotranslated subtitles were a bit garbled, but I got the impression that the total weight of the train was about 5 kilos, which seems rather heavy to me. Perhaps one of our German speaking friends can verify. @Bart post #69 stated the 2 kg, mentioned in the video. Also in the second video at the Insider page (see @steventrain post #55 too) at 2:00 min the question is raised about the gauge. Mr. Grässle answered the gauge is fully 1:87 and all bodies are made by metal. This gives this model a special interest. Also nowhere is mentioned, if the TEE will have travellers on board. Probabely too expensive for 900 €.  Also a Diesel steaming pipe is missing. Probabely expensive too.
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Order deadline is 31 March 2020, is there any mention of the delivery date - presumably Q2 / Q3 2020?
Also, "The minimum radius for operation is 437.5 mm / 17-1/4". The train can also be run on Radius 1 if you ignore the clearance gauge."
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Order deadline is 31 March 2020, is there any mention of the delivery date - presumably Q2 / Q3 2020?
Also, "The minimum radius for operation is 437.5 mm / 17-1/4". The train can also be run on Radius 1 if you ignore the clearance gauge." Oh sh.... - normally it was 30th of April, you wrote 31st of March and I just looked up the new brochure https://www.maerklin.de/...s/39796_DE_EN_Online.pdfand there it says: Order deadline is February 29th, 2020 !!!
Looking forward what the new Insider package 06/2019 is saying next week.
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Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Oh sh.... - normally it was 30th of April, you wrote 31st of March and I just looked up the new brochure https://www.maerklin.de/...s/39796_DE_EN_Online.pdfand there it says: Order deadline is February 29th, 2020 !!!
Looking forward what the new Insider package 06/2019 is saying next week. Webpage  Brochure 
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Oh sh.... - normally it was 30th of April, you wrote 31st of March and I just looked up the new brochure https://www.maerklin.de/...s/39796_DE_EN_Online.pdfand there it says: Order deadline is February 29th, 2020 !!!
Looking forward what the new Insider package 06/2019 is saying next week. Webpage Brochure They always put and additional 30 dies more in 20th of February... in case one month early !!!! |
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Order deadline is 31 March 2020, is there any mention of the delivery date - presumably Q2 / Q3 2020?
Also, "The minimum radius for operation is 437.5 mm / 17-1/4". The train can also be run on Radius 1 if you ignore the clearance gauge." According to my dealer (MMC): Order deadline 29th Feb, delivery Q3 2020 meisesmobacenter.de/shopIII/de/maerklin-39706 |
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan See post #74 - there's a discrepancy in the given dates....
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I think the flyer maybe error.
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Order deadline is 31 March 2020, is there any mention of the delivery date - presumably Q2 / Q3 2020? Lokshop website is showing delivery as being Q3 2020.
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Order deadline is 31 March 2020, is there any mention of the delivery date - presumably Q2 / Q3 2020? Lokshop website is showing delivery as being Q3 2020. In The video of the presentation says that delivery will be in June 2020 |
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan See post #74 - there's a discrepancy in the given dates.... Email has arrived from Marklin confirming order date IS 29 February.
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Going price for the good old 3471 is around 200 Euro.
It has a metal hood motor unit.
For the other 700 Euro my wife and I can eat and drink a month.
I know what to do.
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Amidst the confusion over dates I decided just to go for it. Order placed now all I have to do is sort out funding. I think Mrs M is in line for a spectacular Christmas present to smooth the wat.
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Formal correction now by Insider email: 29 February confirmed |
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Received email confirm 29 February. |
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Regarding price. Insiders feel special and will pay for something only they can get and thus Marklin can charge what they like knowing they will get sales.
This model is not for me but I do have insider models without being an insider which I can get from a dealer at a discount. The cost for this model is high but I suppose it keeps Marklin going which is important ...so pay up guys and buy lol. |
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The price is very high, although it seems wil lbe a very good model. Considering the powered car is 400€ (it is just a metal diesel), each of the non powered cars is more than 150€, something that doesn't make much sense.
This price was much more acceptable if, in addition to what we know the 39706 will be, it will also have:
1- Smoke synchronized with the "diesel motor" state;
2- The inside fittings (chairs, table, compartments, etc) painted to correct colours
3- Passengers inside.
One thing that doesn't help in this case is the fact that the 39706 is an MHI model and it is not so easy to find discounts in dealers for MHI models. I would be happier if this was a non-MHI item.
I have the 39700 and despite all I wrote above the new 39706 is a model I want and, if all goes well, I will buy it. Indeed the RAm in 1:87 full metal was, and is, my number 1 wish about model trains. I will keep the 39700 as I like it. Going to the 39706 makes me skip for now the new croco and probably the ICE 4. |
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Originally Posted by: Nigel Packer Originally Posted by: mrmarklin Don't I already own this in Plastic?? 3071-4071???
I have installed MFX decoder too.
I assume the older one is not to scale. I reckon that I’ve already got seven of these altogether, including all previous models, versions, and Northlanders. I wonder how long it will be before we get a Northlander version of this new model . . . Nigel Yeah, I was wondering that too, Nigel. If this had been done as a Northlander then I would probably stretch my finances to get it, but I already have a 3471 + extra coach, so I think will give this one a miss and hope the second Insider model is less expensive. And for the price I am disappointed it doesn't have passengers.
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Will the final design that Märklin ultimately be delivering of this long-awaited retooling of the RAm TEE be ruined by the addition of those unsightly movable flaps over the bogies, which was the case with the Gottardo, the VT 8 and the Henschel-Wegmann, so that it can negotiate the sharp curves? I hope not! |
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Originally Posted by: RayF Originally Posted by: mrmarklin Originally Posted by: vilithejou Originally Posted by: mrmarklin Don't I already own this in Plastic?? 3071-4071???
I have installed MFX decoder too.
I assume the older one is not to scale. 39700/3070/3071 93,5 cm 39706 113 cm So for 9.5cm in length extra, I have to pay EUR 800???? I'm sure you meant 19.5cm. Still, that's about €40 per cm! Believe it or not, I’m an accountant. Alas, useless without my adding machine!  I will likely buy the model, as I do have all the Insiders....  |
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Armando, please don't start that forum war again.....
If it has to have unsightly flaps to get around R1 curves, so be it. Marklin advise that the railcar is more suitable on R2 curves or above but you can use it on R1 if you take into account extra track clearance required.
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan See post #74 - there's a discrepancy in the given dates.... The website has now been changed to show the correct 29 February order end date.
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I'll second what Nigel has posted. Now that Märklin has told us what they have in store for us, I'm wondering if they are going to issue a new “Ontario Northlander” in the near future?
Two of us think so what does the rest of the members think?
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Originally Posted by: michelvr Two of us think so what does the rest of the members think? Well, if Marklin has created new die cast molds for 39706 TEE RAm, then they will want to sell as many models as possible to get a return on the investment. Therefore I would think a new 'Northlander' is highly likely.
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Ohhhh... That presumed new Northlander will probably be around EUR/USD 999 or such, regarding the expected price of the standard TEE one...  |
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Actually both would be nice! The original with the RaM power unit and then the replacement for the RaM the F7. The Ontario Northland F7 that Märklin sold a few years ago looked pretty good to me and I was happy with it!
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 The prototype, just photographed this morning in Amsterdam. If Märklin would only donate 2% of their Insider model sales for the restoration ... |
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