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Offline Thewolf  
#1 Posted : 24 December 2018 10:17:10(UTC)
Thewolf

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Hi guysCool

this is the back of my 60215:

60213-rear.jpg

Output 60173: the connection of my booster refuses to enter it

The pdf of the 60175 says something quite different: another output than the 60173 but the symbols don't seem to be identical but I think the output to use is the one immediately after that of Network Pc

exit 60215 for 60175.pdf (226kb) downloaded 45 time(s).

Or it is necessary to use a special connection for the 60173 output and the 60175 cable ???

I repeat, my cable 60175 does not enter

Thank you

Thewolf
Project The Richelieu Valley Railway-CS2-Track C- Itrain-Digital
Offline H0  
#2 Posted : 24 December 2018 10:48:34(UTC)
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Hi, Serge!
Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post
I repeat, my cable 60175 does not enter
Count the pins. Do pins and pin layout match?
Maybe you have to use more force - but do this only when pins and holes match exactly.

The CS3 uses a symbol where the CS2 had the text "60173" or "6017x". But in both cases these are the same 7-pin sockets.
Regards
Tom
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"In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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Offline Thewolf  
#3 Posted : 24 December 2018 15:10:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Hi, Serge!
Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post
I repeat, my cable 60175 does not enter
Count the pins. Do pins and pin layout match?
Maybe you have to use more force - but do this only when pins and holes match exactly.

The CS3 uses a symbol where the CS2 had the text "60173" or "6017x". But in both cases these are the same 7-pin sockets.


Thank you Tom Cool

You need an explanation of what I did:

I have 2 x 60145 and 3 x 60126 for the 2 x 60175.

The direct connection of the 60175 in the 60215 is correct.

It is the connection of the 60126 that is different: the pins are arranged in a different way.

I want to do 60175-60145-60126-60215.

In this case, I must use the connection beside the ethernet connection

This is what I think. And you ?

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Tom

Serge





Project The Richelieu Valley Railway-CS2-Track C- Itrain-Digital
Offline H0  
#4 Posted : 24 December 2018 15:37:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post
In this case, I must use the connection beside the ethernet connection

This is what I think. And you?
Yep, the CAN bus uses 9-pin plugs and the socket next to the LAN socket.
Devices that connect to the CAN bus use 7-pin plugs.

There are four 7-pin sockets on the sides of each Terminal and one 9-pin socket for daisy-chaining of terminals with or without the 60126 cable.

There is the main CAN bus with 9-pin connectors and there are short branches to CAN devices with 7-pin connectors. The CS2 has both types of connectors - and you can connect a Terminal and a Booster directly to the CS2 at the same time.
Regards
Tom
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Offline Thewolf  
#5 Posted : 24 December 2018 15:56:52(UTC)
Thewolf

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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post
In this case, I must use the connection beside the ethernet connection

This is what I think. And you?
Yep, the CAN bus uses 9-pin plugs and the socket next to the LAN socket.
Devices that connect to the CAN bus use 7-pin plugs.

There are four 7-pin sockets on the sides of each Terminal and one 9-pin socket for daisy-chaining of terminals with or without the 60126 cable.

There is the main CAN bus with 9-pin connectors and there are short branches to CAN devices with 7-pin connectors. The CS2 has both types of connectors - and you can connect a Terminal and a Booster directly to the CS2 at the same time.


Thank you TomCool
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Offline clapcott  
#6 Posted : 24 December 2018 23:38:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post
... I repeat, my cable 60175 does not enter ....

As mentioned please check the pins are not bent

Photo please!

Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
The CS3 uses a symbol where the CS2 had the text "60173" or "6017x". But in both cases these are the same 7-pin sockets.

Not wanting to confuse, but to add some perspective , historic and current.

EVEN from day one the "60173" label on the 7-pin socket was a misnomer.
This is , and always has been, a "Device" port and functionally equivalent to one of the four device ports on a 60125/60145 Terminal.

As such it could/can support a MobileStation (any flovour), albeit with the addition of a 60124 (7pin to 10 pin adapter)
Since then we have had additional devices
- 60174 - booster
- 60175 - booster
- 60128 - 6021 Adapter
- 60883 - Link S88 (L88)
Any of which may connect to the so called 60173/6017x/UserPostedImage port

When bringing the CS3 into the discussion, one other point of note is that the ...
- 60226 "CS3" has TWO such ports
- 60216 "CS3 plus" (like any CS2 60213/4/5) has ONE such port


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(And ,yes, even after 2 years marking has not fixed the 60833 typo)
Peter
Offline Thewolf  
#7 Posted : 25 December 2018 16:13:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post
... I repeat, my cable 60175 does not enter ....

As mentioned please check the pins are not bent

Photo please!



Thank you Peter

Please read my comment ° 3 : I'm talking about the pins of the 60126 which are different and that's why I'm going to use another output: the one immediately after the Ethernet one.

All is confirmed by Mike, my dealer and Tom

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

Thewolf

Project The Richelieu Valley Railway-CS2-Track C- Itrain-Digital
Offline Thewolf  
#8 Posted : 25 December 2018 17:48:02(UTC)
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Hi guys Cool

This morning, I connected 60126 to the cs2 from 60175.

A message in German appears: '' Es ist kein gleisformatprozessor verfugbar. Sie komen mit dem gerat keine loks fahren und magnetartikel schralten '' The umlauts are missing in my German words. Sorry, but I don't know how to do them. I don't know German even though I learned it in upper secondary school in Belgium (48 years ago).

However, I think this message appears because I have not connected any rails to the cs2

You opinion about this message ?

Thank you

Thewolf
Project The Richelieu Valley Railway-CS2-Track C- Itrain-Digital
Offline TEEWolf  
#9 Posted : 26 December 2018 00:42:14(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post
Hi guys Cool

This morning, I connected 60126 to the cs2 from 60175.

A message in German appears: '' Es ist kein gleisformatprozessor verfugbar. Sie komen mit dem gerat keine loks fahren und magnetartikel schralten '' The umlauts are missing in my German words. Sorry, but I don't know how to do them. I don't know German even though I learned it in upper secondary school in Belgium (48 years ago).

However, I think this message appears because I have not connected any rails to the cs2

You opinion about this message ?

Thank you

Thewolf


Hello Serge,

ok no alcohol and sincerity (till to the next droll humorBigGrin).

Remember you to this thread about the CAN bus

https://www.marklin-user...ith-multiple-controllers

It relates to the MS 2 but a link in this thread leads you to this picture of the CAN bus.

https://www.maerklin.de/...einsetzen-MM-2017-05.pdf
(See page 6 of the PDF or page 25 of MM 05/2017)

I remember you wrote somewhere that this is the scheme for your CAN bus at your new layout.Blink

However, you speak French and here is the new technical information from Märklin about electricity, current, CS 2/3, booster, etc. It shows and explains as to split up a big layout into booster sections too and to connect them.

https://www.maerklin.de/...rische_Sicherheit_FR.pdf

Yes again a lot of links, but I think it is better for you to study the source, instead I write you with my often not expressible English. And get it in French should be best to you?


About the message of the "Gleisformatprozessor" (GFP) you are not the only one. See the picture at Stummis - same message as yours.

https://www.stummiforum.de/viewtopic.php?t=95757

It does not sound nicely, they say from reset, restart, upload the last software update till to send it back to Märklin because of a failure.

Perhaps you check it with your dealer or buy a CS 3 use your CS 2 further on as a new booster.Smile

Best regards

Wolfgang
Offline Thewolf  
#10 Posted : 26 December 2018 10:06:53(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post
Hi guys Cool

This morning, I connected 60126 to the cs2 from 60175.

A message in German appears: '' Es ist kein gleisformatprozessor verfugbar. Sie komen mit dem gerat keine loks fahren und magnetartikel schralten '' The umlauts are missing in my German words. Sorry, but I don't know how to do them. I don't know German even though I learned it in upper secondary school in Belgium (48 years ago).

However, I think this message appears because I have not connected any rails to the cs2

You opinion about this message ?

Thank you

Thewolf


Hello Serge,

ok no alcohol and sincerity (till to the next droll humorBigGrin).

Remember you to this thread about the CAN bus

https://www.marklin-user...ith-multiple-controllers

It relates to the MS 2 but a link in this thread leads you to this picture of the CAN bus.

https://www.maerklin.de/...einsetzen-MM-2017-05.pdf
(See page 6 of the PDF or page 25 of MM 05/2017)

I remember you wrote somewhere that this is the scheme for your CAN bus at your new layout.Blink

However, you speak French and here is the new technical information from Märklin about electricity, current, CS 2/3, booster, etc. It shows and explains as to split up a big layout into booster sections too and to connect them.

https://www.maerklin.de/...rische_Sicherheit_FR.pdf

Yes again a lot of links, but I think it is better for you to study the source, instead I write you with my often not expressible English. And get it in French should be best to you?


About the message of the "Gleisformatprozessor" (GFP) you are not the only one. See the picture at Stummis - same message as yours.

https://www.stummiforum.de/viewtopic.php?t=95757

It does not sound nicely, they say from reset, restart, upload the last software update till to send it back to Märklin because of a failure.

Perhaps you check it with your dealer or buy a CS 3 use your CS 2 further on as a new booster.Smile

Best regards

Wolfgang


Thank you WolfgangCool

Buy a cs3? As I have a cs2 that will be accompanied by software ( Itrain) for layout control, no way.

That would be money thrown out the window.

And I have great confidence in my dealer who is also my friend.

When he sends me a message (received before the cs2 problem) like this:

'' Hi Serge,

If you are going to connect the 60175 direct to the CS2 you use the connection marked 60173.

If you are using a 60145 box then you will use the connection beside the Ethernet (internet) connection.'' , is that I can go.

I probably forgot to do something like add, modify something or something in the cs2 configuration. For example, I don't remember if it is necessary to configure in the cs2 setup the
boosters.

I've been saying for years that Marklin is stingy with information in some user manuals.

What you give me as a link is wonderful but you have to be logical and serious: if I have to read all this for a simple booster it's just crazy and unreal.

The information must come to the base directly from Marklin when you buy either a cs2, cs3 or a booster

I don't worry too much. Mike will explain all this to me and, above all, he will fix it for me in less time than it takes to say it.

The only thing that bothers me is that I should certainly send him the cs2.

But since I haven't finished my renovation work yet, I'll finish it and my wife will be happy.

By the way, do you need to configure the booster(s) somewhere in the cs2 setup?


Christmas is over, so Happy New Year Wolfgang

Serge
Project The Richelieu Valley Railway-CS2-Track C- Itrain-Digital
Offline Thewolf  
#11 Posted : 27 December 2018 01:20:55(UTC)
Thewolf

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Hi guys

Finally, I solved the problem...a flash, a big flash and...the message doesn't appear anymore...and the booster is added in the cs2...tomorrow I finalize

and tonight I don't want to hear about Marklin...it's the WWe

Thewolf
Project The Richelieu Valley Railway-CS2-Track C- Itrain-Digital
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Offline TEEWolf  
#12 Posted : 27 December 2018 03:42:56(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post
Hi guys

Finally, I solved the problem...a flash, a big flash and...the message doesn't appear anymore...and the booster is added in the cs2...tomorrow I finalize

and tonight I don't want to hear about Marklin...it's the WWe

Thewolf


Congretulation and meanwhile I read in a CS 2 manual that at a CS 2 a booster is registrating itself automatically.
Offline Thewolf  
#13 Posted : 27 December 2018 13:13:12(UTC)
Thewolf

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Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post
Hi guys

Finally, I solved the problem...a flash, a big flash and...the message doesn't appear anymore...and the booster is added in the cs2...tomorrow I finalize

and tonight I don't want to hear about Marklin...it's the WWe

Thewolf


Congretulation and meanwhile I read in a CS 2 manual that at a CS 2 a booster is registrating itself automatically.


Yes....as long as the booster is connected directly to the 60173 connection on the back of the cs2. That was my flash. But I looked for what you read ... nothing found.

My mistake is that I stubbornly wanted to work with the connection beside the Ethernet (internet) connection , for 2 boosters connected 2 x 60145.

Thewolf

Project The Richelieu Valley Railway-CS2-Track C- Itrain-Digital
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