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Offline danmarklinman  
#201 Posted : 16 December 2017 13:11:36(UTC)
danmarklinman

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Hi, I seen some YouTube stuff on this loco, I could be wrong. But will it actually go round 36 radius despite its paperwork saying 42?
Can someone try👍😁 please.
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Offline mario54i  
#202 Posted : 16 December 2017 15:14:53(UTC)
mario54i

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Are you happy with brake sound ? Apparently mine gives brake sound only if final speed is set to zero, just slow down to low speed and it brakes (too quickly) without any brake sound. F5 is set to 0.
Offline foumaro  
#203 Posted : 16 December 2017 21:54:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mario54i Go to Quoted Post
Are you happy with brake sound ? Apparently mine gives brake sound only if final speed is set to zero, just slow down to low speed and it brakes (too quickly) without any brake sound. F5 is set to 0.[/quot

I changed acceleration delay,braking delay of the locomotive,she have better perfomance with the new settings.The sounds was very loud for my taste,so i lowered them too.Enjoy the beauty.LOL Wub ThumpUp
Offline dickinsonj  
#204 Posted : 17 December 2017 02:03:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: foumaro Go to Quoted Post

I changed acceleration delay,braking delay of the locomotive,she have better performance with the new settings.The sounds was very loud for my taste,so i lowered them too.Enjoy the beauty.

Good advice!

I increase the acceleration and braking delay and lower the sound level on all of my new Märklin models before I even start to tune their other behavior. IMO the defaults are not really appropriate in most cases.
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
So many trains and so little time.
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Offline Mark_1602  
#205 Posted : 20 December 2017 09:06:51(UTC)
Mark_1602

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Originally Posted by: danmarklinman Go to Quoted Post
Hi, I seen some YouTube stuff on this loco, I could be wrong. But will it actually go round 36 radius despite its paperwork saying 42?
Can someone try👍😁 please.


Hi,

Märklin must have had a good reason to advise potential customers to avoid R1 radius with the 241 A. I'm convinced that some people will force it through R1 curves and proudly announce that it's not a problem, but is it a good idea? Might cause additional wear and tear on the chassis or the wheels ...

Best regards,

Mark
Best regards, Mark

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Offline kiwiAlan  
#206 Posted : 20 December 2017 17:09:07(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mark_1602 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: danmarklinman Go to Quoted Post
Hi, I seen some YouTube stuff on this loco, I could be wrong. But will it actually go round 36 radius despite its paperwork saying 42?
Can someone try👍😁 please.


Hi,

Märklin must have had a good reason to advise potential customers to avoid R1 radius with the 241 A. I'm convinced that some people will force it through R1 curves and proudly announce that it's not a problem, but is it a good idea? Might cause additional wear and tear on the chassis or the wheels ...

Best regards,

Mark


I suspect there has been a design change since the original advertising literature was produced that now allows it to run on R1.

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Offline foumaro  
#207 Posted : 20 December 2017 18:17:37(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Mark_1602 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: danmarklinman Go to Quoted Post
Hi, I seen some YouTube stuff on this loco, I could be wrong. But will it actually go round 36 radius despite its paperwork saying 42?
Can someone try👍😁 please.


Hi,

Märklin must have had a good reason to advise potential customers to avoid R1 radius with the 241 A. I'm convinced that some people will force it through R1 curves and proudly announce that it's not a problem, but is it a good idea? Might cause additional wear and tear on the chassis or the wheels ...

Best regards,

Mark


I suspect there has been a design change since the original advertising literature was produced that now allows it to run on R1.



I like this point of view.LOL Love BigGrin ThumpUp
Offline jvuye  
#208 Posted : 20 December 2017 21:05:11(UTC)
jvuye

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Originally Posted by: foumaro Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Mark_1602 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: danmarklinman Go to Quoted Post
Hi, I seen some YouTube stuff on this loco, I could be wrong. But will it actually go round 36 radius despite its paperwork saying 42?
Can someone try👍😁 please.


Hi,

Märklin must have had a good reason to advise potential customers to avoid R1 radius with the 241 A. I'm convinced that some people will force it through R1 curves and proudly announce that it's not a problem, but is it a good idea? Might cause additional wear and tear on the chassis or the wheels ...

Best regards,

Mark


I suspect there has been a design change since the original advertising literature was produced that now allows it to run on R1.



I like this point of view.LOL Love BigGrin ThumpUp


I do too.
Just a piece of complementary info though: I have been testing the lok in all kinds of situations.
Using a 9 coaches consist (Märklin coaches + one Roco restaurant car) It goes over all the curves and "s" curves on my layout.
Little to no loss of performance on any ramps (maxi on my layout is 2.7%)
No problem on R1 curves....except when I tried on a custom build serpentine 2% R1 ramp (with alternating 180 deg left and right turns) , where I noted a significant loss of traction.
But frankly , that's really looking for the extreme, so I continue to give this lok a big thumbs up on all fronts!
Except....I am investigating this impression of mine that the stack is a little too small in diameter.
This has been already noticed in other circles.
I am **no** rivet counter (never been, never will) , but from the minute I saw this lok model and its prototype in Goeppingen last September I had the **impression** the stack was a little skinny.
Will let you know.
The good news is that the stack is a special part , inserted on the boiler. It would be easy to replace with the right dimension part.
Stay tuned
Cheers



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Offline Leitner  
#209 Posted : 20 December 2017 21:07:01(UTC)
Leitner

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I believe that the "better safe than sorry" approach is the best in this case... If you tell everyone that it runs well on R1 and then there's a guy which say that the third wheel of the tender get out of the rail by 0,0000000001 micron everybody will make a fuss, if you tell everyone that min radius is R2 and then people discover it runs ok on R1 everybody will be delighted. It's about creating expectations, you know.
Ep. III (My layout is set in 1962).
I collect mainly DSB, DB and SBB but I'm quite... Open minded.
I'm quite a big collector of NOHAB lok :)
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Offline foumaro  
#210 Posted : 21 December 2017 08:21:32(UTC)
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It is not important for me to run to my layout this great locomotive because the train with her and the seven Orient Express cars is funny to my small layout.I will running the train to my friend's layouts,much bigger than mine.I am already doing the same with Big Boys and Challenger.Anyway this is not a train you can running very often.BigGrin
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Offline danmarklinman  
#211 Posted : 21 December 2017 09:37:34(UTC)
danmarklinman

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Originally Posted by: jvuye Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: foumaro Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Mark_1602 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: danmarklinman Go to Quoted Post
Hi, I seen some YouTube stuff on this loco, I could be wrong. But will it actually go round 36 radius despite its paperwork saying 42?
Can someone try👍😁 please.


Hi,

Märklin must have had a good reason to advise potential customers to avoid R1 radius with the 241 A. I'm convinced that some people will force it through R1 curves and proudly announce that it's not a problem, but is it a good idea? Might cause additional wear and tear on the chassis or the wheels ...

Best regards,

Mark


I suspect there has been a design change since the original advertising literature was produced that now allows it to run on R1.



I like this point of view.LOL Love BigGrin ThumpUp


I do too.
Just a piece of complementary info though: I have been testing the lok in all kinds of situations.
Using a 9 coaches consist (Märklin coaches + one Roco restaurant car) It goes over all the curves and "s" curves on my layout.
Little to no loss of performance on any ramps (maxi on my layout is 2.7%)
No problem on R1 curves....except when I tried on a custom build serpentine 2% R1 ramp (with alternating 180 deg left and right turns) , where I noted a significant loss of traction.
But frankly , that's really looking for the extreme, so I continue to give this lok a big thumbs up on all fronts!
Except....I am investigating this impression of mine that the stack is a little too small in diameter.
This has been already noticed in other circles.
I am **no** rivet counter (never been, never will) , but from the minute I saw this lok model and its prototype in Goeppingen last September I had the **impression** the stack was a little skinny.
Will let you know.
The good news is that the stack is a special part , inserted on the boiler. It would be easy to replace with the right dimension part.
Stay tuned
Cheers





So pleased to here this, I will weight for the paint job and double chimney one from Mulhouse SNCF musee? As it’s in original livery I believe 😁😁👍
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#212 Posted : 21 December 2017 10:03:49(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mark_1602 Go to Quoted Post
...
Hi,

Märklin must have had a good reason to advise potential customers to avoid R1 radius with the 241 A. I'm convinced that some people will force it through R1 curves and proudly announce that it's not a problem, but is it a good idea? Might cause additional wear and tear on the chassis or the wheels ...

Best regards,

Mark


Due to the housing overhang on curves, Marklin advise against R1 curves for some locomotives.
Marklin specifications take into account the standard track and lineside accessories which are designed as part of the track geometry.
These items include (but are not limited to) the catenary masts, the level crossing, and the signals.

The overhang on some larger locos in curves is quite significant.
Some of my Marklin locos have a very small distance margin to accessories, when traversing turnouts and curves.

regards
Kimball

Edited by user 23 December 2017 05:11:18(UTC)  | Reason: amended English grammar to make more sense

HO Scale - Märklin (ep III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail (USA and Australia) - 3 rail (English Hornby Dublo) - a few old O gauge.
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Offline Mark_1602  
#213 Posted : 22 December 2017 10:04:01(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
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I suspect there has been a design change since the original advertising literature was produced that now allows it to run on R1.



Is this a fact or a guess? Anyway, Märklin should tell us and explain things clearly. Why did Mr Bächle announce on Märklin TV that this loco couldn't be built to negotiate R1 curves?

This reminds me of the first two versions of the BR 01.5 (39205/39206), which were delivered without boiler steps, a feature that Märklin introduced back in the early 1950s!!! The G800 and F800 actually had such steps, but the 39205/39206 didn't! There was no explanation, but the BR 01.5 was redesigned with boiler steps when the 39207 was released.

Best regards,

Mark
Best regards, Mark

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Offline danmarklinman  
#214 Posted : 22 December 2017 16:16:31(UTC)
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It could also be a sales thing to get buyers to swap over to there new large radius points, or am I over thinking it😜😁
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#215 Posted : 22 December 2017 18:52:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mark_1602 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
[
I suspect there has been a design change since the original advertising literature was produced that now allows it to run on R1.



Is this a fact or a guess? Anyway, Märklin should tell us and explain things clearly. Why did Mr Bächle announce on Märklin TV that this loco couldn't be built to negotiate R1 curves?



It is a guess, but having worked in a design lab, and still doing product design on specialist test equipment I would not be surprised to find that a new member came onto the design team who suggested that "move this there and we can tweak the chassis here and it will go around R1". This probably happened very late in the process, but all the advertising literature was already written. Initial move to production may even have already started when this change occurred.

Originally Posted by: Mark_1602 Go to Quoted Post

This reminds me of the first two versions of the BR 01.5 (39205/39206), which were delivered without boiler steps, a feature that Märklin introduced back in the early 1950s!!! The G800 and F800 actually had such steps, but the 39205/39206 didn't! There was no explanation, but the BR 01.5 was redesigned with boiler steps when the 39207 was released.

Best regards,

Mark


The impression I had with these locos was that items were not fitted during production as advertising literature showed these as fitted, not that the design was deficient and required redesign. This was noticed by early customers and resulted in the recall.


Offline jvuye  
#216 Posted : 22 December 2017 21:12:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: danmarklinman Go to Quoted Post
It could also be a sales thing to get buyers to swap over to there new large radius points, or am I over thinking it😜😁


Certainly worked for me!! Laugh Laugh
But my layout looks better anyway and a number of locs run better/smoother too.
How's that for rationalizing? Blink BigGrin Laugh
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Offline Mark_1602  
#217 Posted : 22 December 2017 22:45:27(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
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Originally Posted by: Mark_1602 Go to Quoted Post

This reminds me of the first two versions of the BR 01.5 (39205/39206), which were delivered without boiler steps, a feature that Märklin introduced back in the early 1950s!!! The G800 and F800 actually had such steps, but the 39205/39206 didn't! There was no explanation, but the BR 01.5 was redesigned with boiler steps when the 39207 was released.

Best regards,

Mark


The impression I had with these locos was that items were not fitted during production as advertising literature showed these as fitted, not that the design was deficient and required redesign. This was noticed by early customers and resulted in the recall.


Hi,

I've looked it up, but 39205/39206 did not have boiler steps in Märklin TV episode 73, which was released at the time when those locos were announced.

Märklin TV Episode 73

In this forum I found a thread from September 2015 featuring a photo without boiler steps:

New special item 01.5

At the end of that year I bought a copy of Eisenbahn Magazin (em), a German publication that isn't known for being very Märklin-friendly. It featured a test comparing H0 models of the BR 01.5 made by different manufacturers. The missing boiler steps on Märklin's BR 01.5 were pointed out in the test, as well as a few other details that were not prototypical. Despite some kind of recall, the 39205 and 39206 were finally sold without boiler steps. Was Märklin not aware of that or had those locos been designed somewhere else???

When Märklin released the new Nohabs in 2014, the liveries as shown in the news brochure were prototypical but things went wrong during production in China. The horizontal air vents above the bull's eye windows on both sides of the CFL and SNCB Nohabs were dark grey (close to black) in the catalogue, which is right for era III (or even IV). Nevertheless, those air vents were painted the same color as the locos (red brown for the CFL and green for the SNCB) and sold like that. They look wrong, but nobody seemed to notice that though I pointed it out on two forums, in English and in German. Very few people have seen color photos of Nohabs taken in the 1950s, but I have books and magazines about the prototype, so I could see what was wrong. Actually, this year's 39676 looks wrong again, even in the news brochure, but nobody seems to have noticed that. Those air vents were simply NOT painted in era III; that was only done on some museum locos which were repainted much later, in era V.

In the case of German locos, mistakes are usually uncovered and published. Sorry if this is a bit off-topic, but it shows that we can't trust any announcements or photos in news brochures, and that most people only see what they want to see. To get back to the topic of this thread, Märklin says the 241 A is era II, III, or VI. Actually, it's era VI as the loco didn't have the painted white rings on the wheels during the SNCF era. What's great is that Märklin (or its Asian partner?) seems to have done a much better job this time as compared to the Nohab or the first BR 01.5.

Best regards,
Mark

Edited by user 23 December 2017 09:09:08(UTC)  | Reason: added some info

Best regards, Mark

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Offline dickinsonj  
#218 Posted : 23 December 2017 16:02:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: danmarklinman Go to Quoted Post
It could also be a sales thing to get buyers to swap over to there new large radius points, or am I over thinking it😜😁


I believe that a lot of us are indeed overthinking this whole subject. BigGrin

My take is that for everything to be perfect, including track side clearances, you should run the SNCF 241.A.65 on R2 and greater radii. But that if necessary it can negotiate R1 when absolutely needed.

It is all theoretical for me though, because I eliminated R1 from my layout a long time ago, and now I know why. Cool
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
So many trains and so little time.
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Offline Dreadnought  
#219 Posted : 02 January 2018 18:08:41(UTC)
Dreadnought

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I finally got to my dealer last Saturday, to pick up my 241. I am very pleased with it. It is a beautiful locomotive. While playing with it at the dealer's he noticed it did not have the skull and crossbones symbol with "danger de mort" on the back of the tender. I wonder if that would have been on the original in the 1930's?

I particularly love the detail. With the cab light on there are gauges that light up on the face inside the cab. I had not noticed that before, a nice touch by Marklin.

So far it has pulled my LS "Nord" coaches, and my blue Marklin CIWL set. I know, I know, the CIWL is 1920's and the 241, 1930's.
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Offline Mark_1602  
#220 Posted : 03 January 2018 10:34:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dreadnought Go to Quoted Post
I know, I know, the CIWL is 1920's and the 241, 1930's.


The 241A that Märklin has just made is actually era VI. These locos did not have the white painted rings on the wheels when they were still in active service. As the Märklin Magazin explains, these rings were added recently; only the museum loco in Switzerland which Märklin has reproduced has them, I think. You can still run it with any passenger cars you like, of course.

Best regards,

Mark
Best regards, Mark

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Offline jvuye  
#221 Posted : 03 January 2018 10:56:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mark_1602 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Dreadnought Go to Quoted Post
I know, I know, the CIWL is 1920's and the 241, 1930's.


The 241A that Märklin has just made is actually era VI. These locos did not have the white painted rings on the wheels when they were still in active service. As the Märklin Magazin explains, these rings were added recently; only the museum loco in Switzerland which Märklin has reproduced has them, I think. You can still run it with any passenger cars you like, of course.

Best regards,

Mark


Well...the white flanges on some French steamers are a subject for never ending discussions!
AFAIK, it was never an official requirement or prescription ...but some of the depots had them painted on the flanges anyway.
Yes it enhanced the looks of the engine, but it was also an easy way to spot excessive oil leaking from the various bearings.
After replenishing the countless little oil reservoirs on the cranks, driving, coupling and distribution rods, the engineers would wipe the rim, to make it clean again.
A quick look (from the cab) before departure would indicate any leaky bearing, a foresign of bigger trouble ahead.
I know because I did it in the sixties, and still do it today on our white flanged 7 1/4 " gauge live steam loco!
So I'd say, they are "timeless"...Wink

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Offline Dreadnought  
#222 Posted : 03 January 2018 15:09:58(UTC)
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I think that French railroads, and later the SNCF, assigned permanent crews to their steam locomotives. Apparently the modifications made by Chapelon and his followers, made the steam locomotives quite temperamental. A permanent crew who “knew” the locomotive could spot problems and fix them. Couple this to the fact that the locomotives were stationed at different depots, I wonder if there might not have been variations, including white wheels, even in the thirties. No matter for me. Herself loves the white, so it is a winner on my railroad.
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Offline JohnjeanB  
#223 Posted : 09 January 2018 11:26:40(UTC)
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Hi

In another forum,here there is a picture dating 1956 of a loco 241A decorated for the then French president Coty (you must click a few screens down on "page 89" to see it ). The same topic covers many aspects of this loco (in French, sorry) and many pictures inside, out and of the real one.
What a lovely locomotive. Still waiting for mine.
A little bit further down on the same page 89, the system for scooping water on 241 A locos without stopping used by Etat machines is described.
Cheers

Jean
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#224 Posted : 09 January 2018 14:40:26(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB Go to Quoted Post

A little bit further down on the same page 89, the system for scooping water on 241 A locos without stopping used by Etat machines is described.
Cheers

Jean


That looks like they had a pipe come down each side of the tender so the water channels were outside the rails instead on between the rails like the British did with theirs.

Offline AmalfiCoast  
#225 Posted : 09 January 2018 15:04:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB Go to Quoted Post
Hi

In another forum,here there is a picture dating 1956 of a loco 241A decorated for the then French president Coty (you must click a few screens down on "page 89" to see it ). The same topic covers many aspects of this loco (in French, sorry) and many pictures inside, out and of the real one.
What a lovely locomotive. Still waiting for mine.
A little bit further down on the same page 89, the system for scooping water on 241 A locos without stopping used by Etat machines is described.
Cheers

Jean


Great photos of the locomotive!

David
Offline JohnjeanB  
#226 Posted : 09 January 2018 19:50:45(UTC)
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Hi

Here is a movie on Compagnie de l'Ouest (Paris to Le Havre line) water scooping as the 241A used to do (in the movie is a 231 loco)
Watch particularly from 2:15 until 2:30 into the movie).
Movie
The scoop was mounted centrally in the tender with a water tube going through the tender water tank
Cheers

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Offline dickinsonj  
#227 Posted : 10 January 2018 01:20:11(UTC)
dickinsonj

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Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB Go to Quoted Post

What a lovely locomotive. Still waiting for mine.
Jean


As am I Jean - I only hope that I do eventually get one of these beauties.

Thanks for that great link - I really enjoyed seeing those beautiful images! Cool
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
So many trains and so little time.
Offline dickinsonj  
#228 Posted : 10 January 2018 01:30:03(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB Go to Quoted Post

The scoop was mounted centrally in the tender with a water tube going through the tender water tank
Cheers

Jean


Cool - thanks for that great movie link. Some North American railroads did the same thing but eventually abandoned the idea over time - not sure why.

I really, really hope that one of those locos is headed my way, but I have to admit that I have my doubts, considering what a backwater North America is for the Märklin world and how much interest this model has generated.

Fingers Crossed! Cool
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
So many trains and so little time.
Offline dickinsonj  
#229 Posted : 10 January 2018 02:00:27(UTC)
dickinsonj

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Oh, and by the way, I can buy the 241-A-65 right now from the same place where I bought my 37015, and for a mere 775€.

And to be totally truthful, if I don't get one directly from Märklin I might consider doing this. I knew that I should never have screwed around and waited six days before ordering mine. BigGrin
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
So many trains and so little time.
Offline JohnjeanB  
#230 Posted : 10 January 2018 10:56:35(UTC)
JohnjeanB

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Location: Paris, France
Hi

I spoke to my german provider (Lippe) who said I had to be patient they are expecting another delivery by mid January. They are delivering by order of precedence. I ordered mine on 23 September (so I waited one week before ordering which now result in a 1.5 month additional delay (compared with first deliveries. I can see that US is not back water and nor is France. I understand that the largest shop in Paris received them in large quantities by mid December. We have to be patient I guess.
Cheers

Jean
My lay-out videos
latest vid
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Offline dickinsonj  
#231 Posted : 10 January 2018 13:33:03(UTC)
dickinsonj

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Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB Go to Quoted Post
I spoke to my german provider (Lippe) who said I had to be patient they are expecting another delivery by mid January. They are delivering by order of precedence.


Hi Jean,

Thanks for that information, which gives me hope that I might still get mine. I ordered 6 days after the announcement and I don't mind waiting as long as I get one eventually. I emailed my dealer last night to see if he thinks that I am still in the queue for one of these beauties and it will be interesting to see what he has to say.
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
So many trains and so little time.
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