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Offline vilithejou  
#1 Posted : 04 September 2015 07:33:46(UTC)
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All information of BR 01.5.

From Stevetrain and Marklin NL: Marklin BR01.5 Folder six page in German Download PDF - >5.21MB<



First Marklin versions

39205
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39205 Schnellzug-Dampflokomotive Baureihe 01.5 mit Kohlen-Tender, DR/DDR, Ep. III

- Komplette Neuentwicklung.
- Besonders filigrane Metallkonstruktion.
- Markante Boxpok-Räder und durchgehende Domverkleidung.
- Durchbrochener Barrenrahmen und viele angesetzte Details.
- Mit Spielewelt-Decoder mfx+ und umfangreichen Betriebs- und Sound-Funktionen.
- Für noch mehr Spielfreude in der Märklin "Spielewelt".

UVP 499,99 € ** EAN: 4001883392059 ** Liefertermin: ab 09.2015

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Märklin 39205 - Schnellzug-Dampflok BR 01.5 DR/DDR

Vorbild: Schnellzug-Dampflokomotive Baureihe 01.5 mit Kohlen-Tender. Reko-Ausführung der Deutschen Reichsbahn der DDR (DR/DDR). Mit Boxpok-Rädern, Kohlen-Einheitskastentender 2´2´T34, Witte-Windleitblechen in spezieller Bauform für die BR 01.5, durchgehender Domverkleidung, einseitiger Indusi und Puffertellerwarnanstrich. Betriebsnummer 01 512. Betriebszustand um 1967.

Modell: Mit Digital-Decoder mfx+ und umfangreichen Geräuschfunktionen. Geregelter Hochleistungsantrieb mit Schwungmasse im Kessel. 3 Achsen angetrieben. Haftreifen. Lokomotive und Tender weitgehend aus Metall. Eingerichtet für Rauchsatz 7226. Fahrtrichtungsabhängig wechselndes Dreilicht-Spitzensignal und nachrüstbarer Rauchsatz konventionell in Betrieb, digital schaltbar. Führerstandsbeleuchtung zusätzlich digital schaltbar. Beleuchtung mit wartungsfreien warmweißen Leuchtdioden (LED). Kurzkupplung mit Kinematik zwischen Lok und Tender. Am Tender kinematikgeführte Kurzkupplung mit NEM-Schacht. Befahrbarer Mindestradius 360 mm. Kolbenstangenschutzrohre und Bremsschläuche liegen bei.
Länge über Puffer 28,2 cm.

Highlights:
- Komplette Neuentwicklung.
- Besonders filigrane Metallkonstruktion.
- Markante Boxpok-Räder und durchgehende Domverkleidung.
- Durchbrochener Barrenrahmen und viele angesetzte Details.
- Mit Spielewelt-Decoder mfx+ und umfangreichen Betriebs- und Sound-Funktionen.
- Für noch mehr Spielfreude in der Märklin "Spielewelt".

Die Schnellzug-Dampflokomotive der Baureihe 01.5 wird anlässlich des 25-jährigen Jubiläums der Deutschen Wiedervereinigung in einer einmaligen Serie aufgelegt.

39206

39206 Schnellzug-Dampflokomotive Baureihe 01.5 mit Öl-Tender, DR/DDR, Ep. IV

- Komplette Neuentwicklung.
- Besonders filigrane Metallkonstruktion.
- Mit Zierstreifen an Pufferträger und Umlauf.
- Durchgehende Domverkleidung.
- Durchbrochener Barrenrahmen und viele angesetzte Details.
- Mit Spielewelt-Decoder mfx+ und umfangreichen Betriebs- und Sound-Funktionen.
- Für noch mehr Spielfreude in der Märklin "Spielewelt".

UVP 499,99 € ** EAN: 4001883392066 ** Liefertermin: ab 09.2015

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Märklin 39206 - Schnellzug-Dampflok BR 01.5 DR/DDR

Vorbild: Schnellzug-Dampflokomotive Baureihe 01.5 mit Öl-Tender als Öl-Hauptfeuerung. Reko-Ausführung der Deutschen Reichsbahn der DDR (DR/DDR). Mit Speichen-Rädern, Einheitskastentender 2´2´T34 (Öl), Witte-Windleitblechen in spezieller Bauform für die BR 01.5, durchgehender Domverkleidung, ohne Indusi, mit Zierstreifen. Betriebsnummer 01 0505-6. Betriebszustand um 1975/76.

Modell: Mit Digital-Decoder mfx+ und umfangreichen Geräuschfunktionen. Geregelter Hochleistungsantrieb mit Schwungmasse im Kessel. 3 Achsen angetrieben. Haftreifen. Lokomotive und Tender weitgehend aus Metall. Eingerichtet für Rauchsatz 7226. Fahrtrichtungsabhängig wechselndes Dreilicht-Spitzensignal und nachrüstbarer Rauchsatz konventionell in Betrieb, digital schaltbar. Führerstandsbeleuchtung zusätzlich digital schaltbar. Beleuchtung mit wartungsfreien warmweißen Leuchtdioden (LED). Kurzkupplung mit Kinematik zwischen Lok und Tender. Am Tender kinematikgeführte Kurzkupplung mit NEM-Schacht. Befahrbarer Mindestradius 360 mm. Kolbenstangenschutzrohre und Bremsschläuche liegen bei.
Länge über Puffer 28,2 cm.

Highlights:
- Komplette Neuentwicklung.
- Besonders filigrane Metallkonstruktion.
- Mit Zierstreifen an Pufferträger und Umlauf.
- Durchgehende Domverkleidung.
- Durchbrochener Barrenrahmen und viele angesetzte Details.
- Mit Spielewelt-Decoder mfx+ und umfangreichen Betriebs- und Sound-Funktionen.
- Für noch mehr Spielfreude in der Märklin "Spielewelt".

Die Schnellzug-Dampflokomotive der Baureihe 01.5 wird anlässlich des 25-jährigen Jubiläums der Deutschen Wiedervereinigung in einer einmaligen Serie aufgelegt.

Das passende Interzonen-Schnellzugwagen-Set zur Dampflokomotive der BR 01.5 finden Sie im Märklin H0-Sortiment unter der Artikelnummer 42912.

Dieses Modell finden Sie in Gleichstrom-Ausführung im Trix H0-Sortiment unter der Artikelnummer 22906.

Wagen set (6) Interzonenzug Ep. IV

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Trix Überraschungs-Neuheit zur IMA 2015 in Göppingen

Trix H0 22905 Schnellzug-Dampflokomotive mit Schlepptender
Spur: H0| Epoche III

Wie Sie bereits wissen hat Märklin für die Wiederaufarbeitung einer originalen Lokomotive der Baureihe 01.5 einen respektablen Betrag gespendet. Darüber hatten wir bereits mehrmals im Märklin Magazin berichtet. Mittlerweile steht fest, dass die Lokomotive in ihrer Aufarbeitung so weit fertig ist, dass sie am 18.9.2015 zur IMA in Göppingen im Original zu bewundern sein wird. Wir freuen uns darüber sehr.

Für unsere Trix-H0-Kunden haben wir eine Überraschung zur IMA bereit:

Eine Schnellzug-Dampflokomotive der Baureihe 01.5 – genauer gesagt die 01.512 (Artikelnummer 22905) wird pünktlich zur IMA als Modell vorgestellt. Die Lok, die im Interzonenverkehr in den 60er Jahren im Einsatz war besticht u.a. durch ihre markanten „amerikanischen“ Boxpokräder, die im H0-Modell exakt nachgebildet wurden.

Wir möchten Sie heute über diese Überraschungsneuheit für Trix Freunde informieren. Sie erhalten anbei die Stammdaten und eine Abbildung der Lok. Ein Sonderprospekt wird in der Woche der IMA an die Handelspartner versandt.

Vorbild:
Schnellzug-Dampflokomotive Baureihe 01.5 mit Kohlen-Tender. Reko-Ausführung der Deutschen Reichsbahn der DDR (DR/DDR). Mit Boxpok-Räder, Kohlen-Einheitskastentender 2´2´T34, Witte-Windleitblechen in spezieller Bauform für die BR 01.5, durchgehende Domverkleidung, einseitigem Indusi und Puffertellerwarnanstrich. Betriebsnummer 01 512. Betriebszustand um 1967.

Modell:
Mit Digital-Decoder und umfangreichen Geräuschfunktionen. Geregelter Hochleistungsantrieb mit Schwungmasse im Kessel. 3 Achsen angetrieben. Haftreifen. Lokomotive und Tender weitgehend aus Metall. Eingerichtet für Rauchsatz 7226. Fahrtrichtungsabhängig wechselndes Dreilicht-Spitzensignal und nachrüstbarer Rauchsatz konventionell in Betrieb, digital schaltbar. Führerstandsbeleuchtung zusätzlich digital schaltbar. Beleuchtung mit wartungsfreien warmweißen Leuchtdioden (LED). Kurzkupplung mit Kinematik zwischen Lok und Tender. Am Tender kinematikgeführte Kurzkupplung mit NEM-Schacht. Befahrbarer Mindestradius 360 mm. Kolbenstangenschutzrohre und Bremsschläuche liegen bei. Länge über Puffer 28,2 cm.

Highlights:
Komplette Neuentwicklung. Besonders filigrane Metallkonstruktion. Markante Boxpok-Räder und durchgehende Domverkleidung. Durchbrochener Barrenrahmen und viele angesetzte Details. Mit Digital-Decoder und umfangreichen Betriebs- und Sound-Funktionen. Die Schnellzug-Dampflokomotive der Baureihe 01.5 wird anlässlich des 25-jährigen Jubiläums der Deutschen Wiedervereinigung in einer einmaligen Serie aufgelegt.

Preis UVP: 499,99 EUR unser Hauspreis 448,75 €

Edited by user 12 September 2015 09:16:01(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Joan Vilarrúbia
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Offline NS1200  
#2 Posted : 04 September 2015 11:10:15(UTC)
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Great news!
Byebye Piko,welcome Marklin!
No doubt there will be a Marklin version also.
Prototype of the real thing will be shown at the IMA in Goppingen on 18th September 2015.

There goes my 2016 budget!

http://666kb.com/i/cvw2tv8ms83m7r7ww.jpg

The DDR Reko (Rekonstruktion/reconstruction) 01 512 is the ex DRG 01 175.
Note the reinforced Boxpok wheels.

It seems that Marklin are increasing their DDR portfolio in order to cater for potential clients in the eastern part of Germany,who have never forgotten about the post WW2 Reichsbahn.

Sofar Piko and Roco have issued versions.
I do not know whether the Roco is any good.
I had the Piko with plastic driverods,nice to see but rubbish to drive,sold it for 10 Euro's i believe.

Fantastic news!
Have more than you show,speak less than you know (Shakespeare).
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Offline RayF  
#3 Posted : 04 September 2015 11:40:38(UTC)
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Great looking loco! ThumpUp

It's probably not one that I will buy, but I approve of Marklin making it.
Ray
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Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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Offline biedmatt  
#4 Posted : 04 September 2015 12:07:49(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NS1200 Go to Quoted Post


The DDR Reko (Rekonstruktion/reconstruction) 01 512 is the ex DRG 01 175.
Note the reinforced Boxpok wheels.



Since the base loko was not a Br 01.10, is this a two cylinder loko, or did that change as part of the extensive rebuild?
Matt
Era 3
DB lokos, coaches and freight cars from across Europe
But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs
ECoS 50200, all FX and MFX decoders replaced with ESU V4s, operated in DCC-RailCom+ with ABC brake control.
With the exception of the passenger wagens with Marklin current conducting couplers, all close couplers have been replaced with Roco 40397.
Offline NS1200  
#5 Posted : 04 September 2015 12:28:39(UTC)
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A list of Reko steamers 01.5 and their original DRG 01 counterparts:

Nummer Reko Oud nummer Bouwjaar Nummer Reko Oud nummer Bouwjaar
01 501 01 174 1962 01 519 01 186 1964
01 502 01 157 1962 01 520 01 162 1964
01 503 01 142 1962 01 521 01 144 1964
01 504 01 224 1962 01 522 01 184 1964
01 505 01 121 1962 01 523 01 191 1964
01 506 01 127 1962 01 524 01 129 1964
01 507 01 136 1962 01 525 01 219 1964
01 508 01 153 1963 01 526 01 163 1964
01 509 01 143 1963 01 527 01 225 1964
01 510 01 139 1963 01 528 01 119 1964
01 511 01 218 1963 01 529 01 205 1964
01 512 01 175 1963 01 530 01 221 1964
01 513 01 152 1963 01 531 01 158 1964
01 514 01 208 1963 01 532 01 135 1964
01 515 01 160 1963 01 533 01 116 1964
01 516 01 117 1963 01 534 01 203 1965
01 517 01 107 1963 01 535 01 156 1965
01 518 01 185 1963

Oud nummer=old number
Bouwjaar=year of rebuild in the DDR.
Third digit 5 refers to DDR reconstruction.
Have more than you show,speak less than you know (Shakespeare).
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Offline NS1200  
#6 Posted : 04 September 2015 12:54:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: biedmatt Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: NS1200 Go to Quoted Post


The DDR Reko (Rekonstruktion/reconstruction) 01 512 is the ex DRG 01 175.
Note the reinforced Boxpok wheels.



Since the base loko was not a Br 01.10, is this a two cylinder loko, or did that change as part of the extensive rebuild?


The 01.5 is a two cylinder loco.
For the 01.10,the third cylinder is in between the two others,over the axles,it would have been a bit too much to rebuild the complete drive gear i guess.
Nevertheless,the rebuild was extensive,including a new boiler for example.
As from 01 519 energy supply was changed to oil firing,as can be seen from the totally enclosed oil tenders.
Loco 01 516 was destroyed on 27th November 1977,killing all cabin crew,due to a lack of boilerwater,level gauges running dry and not sufficient time to replenish,this was the last boiler explosion of a steamer in Germany.
The complete boiler was launched into the air,leaving only the wheelset and the tender on the track.

http://www.vapeur-dampf..../04/img4f887aef33941.jpg

Not all Reko locs received the Boxspok wheels.



The Reko 01.5 had 2,500 HP output.
Have more than you show,speak less than you know (Shakespeare).
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Offline biedmatt  
#7 Posted : 04 September 2015 12:57:20(UTC)
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Interesting, all were built from two cylinder 01s and not three cylinder 01.10s. The DRG decided two cylinders restricted the top speed to a value lower than they desired and then created subclass 01.10. I wonder if the DR didn't have enough 01.10s to warrant a large rebuild project or did they intentionally choose the 01 over the 01.10?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DR_Class_01.5
Matt
Era 3
DB lokos, coaches and freight cars from across Europe
But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs
ECoS 50200, all FX and MFX decoders replaced with ESU V4s, operated in DCC-RailCom+ with ABC brake control.
With the exception of the passenger wagens with Marklin current conducting couplers, all close couplers have been replaced with Roco 40397.
Offline NS1200  
#8 Posted : 04 September 2015 13:13:23(UTC)
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The DR in the former DDR had to make use of the series 01 left behind after the taking of Berlin by the Russian army in 1945.
I guess there was not sufficient stock of 01.10 steamers on their side of the border.
They had to make use of all traction they could find.
The upgrading to Reko in the sixties says enough,an era where other countries already switched to mainly electric power.
Please also note the 01.10 was not without flaws,perhaps the good old 01 was more reliable.

On a more general note i dare to say that the need to make use of scarce resources was a bit higher in East Germany as compared to West Germany.
So,all means were used to upgrade existing equipment,there was no Russian money to buy anything else.
Coal firing in Germany lasted longer than elsewhere,this because of ample coal resources available.

Also,just after WW2,the need for speed in Germany was not high,more important was to have traction,any traction.
The two streamlined loco's series 10 came into service in 1957,soon to be overtaken by electrical traction.
Have more than you show,speak less than you know (Shakespeare).
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Offline biedmatt  
#9 Posted : 04 September 2015 13:31:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NS1200 Go to Quoted Post
It seems that Marklin are increasing their DDR portfolio in order to cater for potential clients in the eastern part of Germany,who have never forgotten about the post WW2 Reichsbahn.


I think they are running out of things to make. After all these years they have pretty well covered any loko that ever plied German tracks, except for the East German stuff. They need to do something to expand sales. They announced three very nice era 3 lokos in the Summer 2015 catalog, but I already have multiple versions of each and really do not need another. As I have no idea what motor I will get either (I need to replace the motor in my two year old 39052), I have let them come and go.

I will most likely pass on this too, since they were built a year after Niki erected his wall, I don't expect many made it to West German tracks.
Matt
Era 3
DB lokos, coaches and freight cars from across Europe
But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs
ECoS 50200, all FX and MFX decoders replaced with ESU V4s, operated in DCC-RailCom+ with ABC brake control.
With the exception of the passenger wagens with Marklin current conducting couplers, all close couplers have been replaced with Roco 40397.
Offline NS1200  
#10 Posted : 04 September 2015 14:20:12(UTC)
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That is up to you,of course.
Some items you like,some you do not like,easy as that.
The DDR Reko style makes it unique,that is for sure.
Some DDR express trains were allowed to enter West Berlin.

Sometime ago i read that Marklin were having plans to expand in notably the USA and also Russia.
Also,they could be expanding in fast growing Asian consumer markets.
So,rather than inventing new items all te time,the focus could be on exploring new markets.

In addition,i am almost sure they will introduce a new productrange under the Euro 200 mark,a sort of revitalised Hobby portfolio.

Markets for most products are saturated in the western world it seems.
Focus is on gimmicks,not on essential things to have.
What can we do?

Finally,i reckon MHI will shortly announce the Marklin version of the 01.5 .
Have more than you show,speak less than you know (Shakespeare).
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Offline mbarreto  
#11 Posted : 04 September 2015 15:07:55(UTC)
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Although I am not fan of DDR stuff, the BR01.5 and BR18.2 are superb looking locos that if Märklin issues them, for sure I will not resist.
Mostly Märklin H0.


Offline steventrain  
#12 Posted : 04 September 2015 16:15:20(UTC)
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Very nice BR01.5.

Marklin 3-rail version, I would not buy if over 500 Euro.
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
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Offline NS1200  
#13 Posted : 04 September 2015 16:41:05(UTC)
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Steven,

Piko is rubbish!

And remember,this is not a Piko forum..........
Have more than you show,speak less than you know (Shakespeare).
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#14 Posted : 04 September 2015 17:30:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NS1200 Go to Quoted Post
Steven,

Piko is rubbish!

And remember,this is not a Piko forum..........


'Märklin and others'

'Others' mean other 3-rails brands??????? I see lots of Piko and other makes for 3-rails on this forum.
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
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#15 Posted : 04 September 2015 18:10:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: NS1200 Go to Quoted Post
Steven,

Piko is rubbish!

And remember,this is not a Piko forum..........


'Märklin and others'

'Others' mean other 3-rails brands??????? I see lots of Piko and other makes for 3-rails on this forum.


Stephen,

I agree. We often discuss other brands here who make items we can use with 3 rail. Just recently we had a whole thread about ESU locomotives, for example.

I happen to have several Piko locos, and I'm very pleased with them. Although not always as well made as the Marklin locos they are very good value and work very well, as well as looking good.

The very early Piko locos, built in the DDR, were not as good as the current models.
Ray
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#16 Posted : 04 September 2015 18:36:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
Very nice BR01.5.

Marklin 3-rail version, I would not buy if over 500 Euro.



I agree with you and correct my previous post. Although it is a model I like it a lot, if over 500 euros, I will most probably resist.
Considering the Trix price, it shouldn't be, although if it comes as a MHI model there is indeed the possibility of the price takes it out of my purchases scope.
Let's wait and see...

Edit: There is the possibility to buy the Trix version and covert it to 3 rail. Probably it is relatively easy and will only be the cost of the slider...
Mostly Märklin H0.


Offline NS1200  
#17 Posted : 04 September 2015 21:33:09(UTC)
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A somewhat better picture of the Trix version:

http://meisesmobacenter....DR-Boxpok--DCC-mfx-.html
Have more than you show,speak less than you know (Shakespeare).
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#18 Posted : 05 September 2015 03:52:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post




I happen to have several Piko locos, and I'm very pleased with them. Although not always as well made as the Marklin locos they are very good value and work very well, as well as looking good.

The very early Piko locos, built in the DDR, were not as good as the current models.



Hello Steven,

I have only one Piko locomotive, the "U boot" but I am exceptionally pleased with it ThumpUp :


UserPostedImage


Regards,

PJ
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Offline H0  
#19 Posted : 05 September 2015 08:39:07(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: biedmatt Go to Quoted Post
I don't expect many made it to West German tracks.
They hauled trains into the West, reaching Hamburg (and other cities in Western Germany) on schedule.
A typically Märklin problem: locos without suitable coaches and coaches without suitable locos.
I see a loco, but I do not see a train yet. Maybe they will suggest an "Interzonenzug" consisting of DB coaches only.

You can get DR coaches from other brands. But you can also get the BR 01.5 from other brands.


Originally Posted by: biedmatt Go to Quoted Post
I wonder if the DR didn't have enough 01.10s to warrant a large rebuild project or did they intentionally choose the 01 over the 01.10?
They had pretty azackly 0 locos of class 01.10 to start a rebuild-program. Class 01 was the best loco they had a few of.

Regards
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Offline NS1200  
#20 Posted : 05 September 2015 10:08:39(UTC)
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This is the beginning of something bigger is my feeling.
The advertisement says it is a limited production run.
Yeah,sure.
Well,i guess at the end we will see 4 different versions in line with what Piko have done:
The current version with Boxspok wheels and coal tender,the version with Boxspok wheels and oil tender,the version with standard spoked wheels with coaltender,and the version with standard spoked wheels with oil tender.

And yes,the given price is not of this world,but this is the special model with all the sound functions,perhaps there will be more down to earth versions later on,let time do its work i would say.
I am sure that M will not put a lot of money in the development of one single model,there will be more of them.

About coaches: please remember Marklin set 26509 with 3 DR coaches and E118 loco,nice set that was,believe there was an extra set of 2 coaches in addition.
Marklin could do the same for the 01.5.
Let us wait and see.

We might also see other ex DDR Reko models appearing,the series 41 for example.
Have more than you show,speak less than you know (Shakespeare).
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#21 Posted : 05 September 2015 10:34:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PJMärklin Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post




I happen to have several Piko locos, and I'm very pleased with them. Although not always as well made as the Marklin locos they are very good value and work very well, as well as looking good.

The very early Piko locos, built in the DDR, were not as good as the current models.



Hello Steven,

I have only one Piko locomotive, the "U boot" but I am exceptionally pleased with it ThumpUp :


UserPostedImage


Regards,

PJ


Marklin is Marklin like Piko is Piko,you cannot buy a Fiat and pretend it is a Mercedes.
I had some plastic Piko steamers made in the DDR,including the 01.5 steamer and after buying them almost threw them in the bin,at the end sold 4 of them for 50 Euro's in total.
No more Piko for me.
it is going to be Marklin,or die.

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Offline NS1200  
#22 Posted : 05 September 2015 12:22:51(UTC)
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Lippe is selling the Trix 22905 at Euro 394.99,recommended retailprice is Euro 499.99.
Have more than you show,speak less than you know (Shakespeare).
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#23 Posted : 05 September 2015 14:28:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NS1200 Go to Quoted Post

Marklin is Marklin like Piko is Piko,you cannot buy a Fiat and pretend it is a Mercedes.
I had some plastic Piko steamers made in the DDR,including the 01.5 steamer and after buying them almost threw them in the bin,at the end sold 4 of them for 50 Euro's in total.
No more Piko for me.
it is going to be Marklin,or die.




Hello Paul,


With respect, we have not implied that Piko is Marklin. Obviously Piko is Piko.
However we are very pleased with our recent Piko locomotives. I do not need to "pretend" that my Piko is a Marklin.

As Ray has already indicated, the older DDR Piko to which you referred would seem to be a different kettle of fish to the current Piko.

To each his own, so long as we enjoy our hobby Wink .

Regards,

PJ Smile


PS I have enjoyed my visits to your country :


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Offline NS1200  
#24 Posted : 05 September 2015 16:56:17(UTC)
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Peculiar text found on internet when searching for Marklin 01.5,the equivalent of Trix 22905:

[PDF]Zomernieuws 2015 - Marklin
www.marklin.nl/producten...rklinZomernieuws2015.pdf
De reconstructie in de DR veranderde 35 locs grondig tot de nieuwe serie 01.5. Talrijke locs bleven behouden en van elk type is minstens één exemplaar nog.
U heeft deze pagina 5 keer bezocht. Laatste bezoek: 4-9-15

This is Marklin in Holland (NL) commenting on steamer series 01.5.
It is linked to the brochure with 2015 summer news,but of course the 01.5 is not in that brochure!
Something is going on,perhaps a press release is being prepared.
Have more than you show,speak less than you know (Shakespeare).
Offline H0  
#25 Posted : 05 September 2015 20:11:55(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NS1200 Go to Quoted Post
Marklin is Marklin like Piko is Piko,you cannot buy a Fiat and pretend it is a Mercedes.
Companies evolve and develop. Product quality varies within a company and changes over time.

Originally Posted by: NS1200 Go to Quoted Post
I had some plastic Piko steamers made in the DDR,including the 01.5 steamer and after buying them almost threw them in the bin,at the end sold 4 of them for 50 Euro's in total.
No more Piko for me
Resources in the GDR were very limited. The current owners bought Piko after the end of the GDR and new Piko does not have much in common with old Piko.
Piko evolves and develops in the right direction. I can't say that about any other MRR company.

I bought my first Piko TRAXX loco about 10 years ago, Euro 30 new from dealer. It was hardly worth the money.
I bought my last Piko TRAXX loco this year, Euro 190 new from dealer. It was well worth the money.

But this thread is about new locos coming from Märklin and Trix, so we shouldn't discuss Piko quality here.


I think that models of GDR locos will mainly be bought by two-rail users. Recent Trix steamers have a bad reputation amongst analogue two-rail users.
But I'm sure Märklin did some market research and they will have a good idea how many sales they can expect.
Regards
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#26 Posted : 05 September 2015 23:34:12(UTC)
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This is the beginning of something bigger is my feeling.
The advertisement says it is a limited production run.
Yeah,sure.
Well,i guess at the end we will see 4 different versions in line with what Piko have done:
The current version with Boxspok wheels and coal tender,the version with Boxspok wheels and oil tender,the version with standard spoked wheels with coaltender,and the version with standard spoked wheels with oil tender.

And yes,the given price is not of this world,but this is the special model with all the sound functions,perhaps there will be more down to earth versions later on,let time do its work i would say.
I am sure that M will not put a lot of money in the development of one single model,there will be more of them.

About coaches: please remember Marklin set 26509 with 3 DR coaches and E118 loco,nice set that was,believe there was an extra set of 2 coaches in addition.
Marklin could do the same for the 01.5.
Let us wait and see.

We might also see other ex DDR Reko models appearing,the series 41 for example.


In addition to the four loco variations I would suspect there would be a couple of 'start sets' with a loco and two or three matching coaches. They have had DDR express coaches in the minitrix range for a long time, but never seem to have done much in HO, apart from the double decker ones they did in Trix a while back, that I can remember. I don't remember any of the cream/green DDR coaches in the Marklin or Trix HO range.

So I mentioned two start sets, I see one with boxpok wheels and one with 'standard' wheels. It may even be a mega start set with a Taiga Trommel diesel and some goods wagons as the other train - maybe with a CS3 BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin

But I always find Boxpok wheels ugly - what the reason for them? Is it like the solid wheels on pilot bogies instead of spoked ones?



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#27 Posted : 06 September 2015 00:10:50(UTC)
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Modellbahn Kramm are also listing the Trix Br01.5 (scroll down the page a bit), Lokshop not yet.

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#28 Posted : 06 September 2015 07:34:27(UTC)
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They have had DDR express coaches in the minitrix range for a long time, but never seem to have done much in HO, apart from the double decker ones they did in Trix a while back, that I can remember.
I'm sorry to contradict, but the only double decker coaches I remember were those from the DB.
The coaches for the Berlin-Leipzig train were pre-war coaches.

They made the Ludmilla and class 143, but those locos are still in service. Well, class 01.5 is also still in service for museum trains.
Regards
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#29 Posted : 06 September 2015 08:04:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post

But I always find Boxpok wheels ugly - what the reason for them? Is it like the solid wheels on pilot bogies instead of spoked ones?



Hi,

I don't like the Boxpok wheels very much either. According to a Wikipedia entry, 35 East German BR 01 locomotives were reconstructed in Meiningen, and eight of them got new Boxpok wheels because some spokes on the old wheels were broken. Boxpok wheels used to be common in the Soviet Union. However, the Boxpok wheels on the BR 01.5 were not satisfactory and were later replaced by new spoked wheels.

Wikipedia BR 01.5 DR

With all the modifications mentioned in the entry, Märklin can make a lot of different versions, including museum locomotives, but they should also make DR coaches next year.

Best regards,
Mark
Best regards, Mark

I like Märklin vintage models, but also digital locos & non-vintage rolling stock (focus on Denmark, era 5-6).
Offline NS1200  
#30 Posted : 06 September 2015 08:44:01(UTC)
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Boxspok wheels were stronger than standard spoked wheels,the latter were prone to cracks.

Reinforced wheels were also used in the USA,for example for the 20th Century Limited,using streamlined Hudson steamers:

http://www.railarchive.n...n/images/nyc5450_rdl.jpg .

French railways SCNF used steamers series 141R,also having Boxspok wheels:

http://www.martynbane.co.../141r-r3q-montargis2.jpg

The 01.5 was already issued in the Minitrix 1/160 range,it stands to reason that the same drawings can be used for H0 scale,or for other scales.
We might see the same thing for DR coaches.

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Offline NS1200  
#31 Posted : 06 September 2015 11:36:20(UTC)
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Come to think of it,the Marklin version may have a different cabin number and perhaps an oiltender.

I have asked client support of Marklin about the productnumber for the Marklin version.
Asking does not cost money,does it?
Answer awaited.
Have more than you show,speak less than you know (Shakespeare).
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#32 Posted : 06 September 2015 13:24:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NS1200 Go to Quoted Post
Come to think of it,the Marklin version may have a different cabin number and perhaps an oiltender.

I have asked client support of Marklin about the productnumber for the Marklin version.
Asking does not cost money,does it?
Answer awaited.


I'm guessing you will not get an answer until it is officially announced.

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#33 Posted : 06 September 2015 13:28:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NS1200 Go to Quoted Post

The 01.5 was already issued in the Minitrix 1/160 range,it stands to reason that the same drawings can be used for H0 scale,or for other scales.
We might see the same thing for DR coaches.


I hadn't picked up on that, I don't tend to check the Minitrix range that closely, just remember that they have had the cream/green coaches for a long time.

They have also issued the Br78 as a Profi Club Minitrix loco, I'm wondering how long before it appears in the HO range, I think I would prefer one of those to the Br01.5 ...

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#34 Posted : 06 September 2015 14:02:47(UTC)
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Minitrix 12119 with standard spoked wheels and oil tender.
Minitrix 12306 with Boxpok wheels and coal tender.

DR coaches in set 15962.

See also 15097 special DR government coach.

Rather interesting is Minitrix 15767,a set of two coaches early era V (1968) for traffic Berlin to Hamburg.
Surely these could be copied in scale H0.

And two more which could be potential Marklin H0 candidates:

12459 the DR (DDR) series 41.1
12441 the DR (DDR) series 52.80 with tubtender.
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Offline Token  
#35 Posted : 07 September 2015 09:15:53(UTC)
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To Matt and Tom's point, there is a link demonstrating the 'visits'to the West by these loco's;

01 502 at Hamburg Altona

http://www.drehscheibe-o....php?17,4027839,page=all

If anyone can translate? It appears to be mostly DR coaches but one photo from 1973 may hint at a DB coach in the mix? Not sure.

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#36 Posted : 07 September 2015 15:15:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NS1200 Go to Quoted Post
Steven,

Piko is rubbish!

And remember,this is not a Piko forum..........


Piko is not rubbish. It's a brand with some good stuff for AC and DC, for N and TT gauge as well.

It's a brand that focuses on modern rail - i.e. post-steam - era while Märklin still focuses very much on steam era.

It's a brand which also focuses on affordable stuff, while the others - not only Märklin, but Roco as well - are still focusing too much on high-priced items. Nicely detailed stuff, good quality - for a good price. Piko's strategy is the same one as the one Märklin used before a certain Mr. Topp came to Göppingen.... Märklin was not advertised as some kind of "Mercedes among model trains" back. There was advertising such as "Märklin, for young and old folkd", or "Märklin - for the whole family". To be honest, I like the Märklin (i.e. the firm) of the pre-Topp era more than the Märklin of nowadays... And, yes, I think the same about Roco...

The tooling of Piko's 01.5 is from the late 1970s. It shows the stand of 1970s' detailing. If you damn that model because of it's age and its "poor" detailing, than let's damn Märklin's BR 89.0 as well. Tooling from the early 1950s, very poor detailing, and a DB livery that did never exist....

Nearly all of our manufacturers still have legacies like that. No problem, if they sell this kind of stuff for low prices.

Regards,
Florian
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#37 Posted : 07 September 2015 15:58:21(UTC)
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c/o Michael and Tom, I am interested, but only if we get suitable coaches. Marklin or Trix, I do not care, but we must have coaches.
Matt
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DB lokos, coaches and freight cars from across Europe
But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs
ECoS 50200, all FX and MFX decoders replaced with ESU V4s, operated in DCC-RailCom+ with ABC brake control.
With the exception of the passenger wagens with Marklin current conducting couplers, all close couplers have been replaced with Roco 40397.
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#38 Posted : 09 September 2015 01:00:09(UTC)
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Hi Matt,

depending on how keen you are but a possible solution could be the Marklin 26509 set;

Marklin 26509

The road markings are for Berlin - Leipzig but you might find other sets containing Berlin - Hamburg if you are concerned with that level of detail? Perhaps from an existing era II coach set?

Cheers,

Michael.
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#39 Posted : 09 September 2015 01:17:46(UTC)
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Sorry - I forgot to include the add-on set, 43208;

Marklin 43208

Regards,

Michael.
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#40 Posted : 09 September 2015 14:03:51(UTC)
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On the subject of East/West rail links during the cold war, I found this link from the BBC;

"British Train to West Berlin" BR 03 1010
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#41 Posted : 09 September 2015 18:18:18(UTC)
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On the subject of East/West rail links during the cold war, I found this link from the BBC;

"British Train to West Berlin" BR 03 1010


Yes, I was lucky enough to be on that train.

Some further information here.

This article contains a map of the route we travelled.

Some period pictures here.

This video was taken on the trip.

I remember having a very interesting conversation with Maj.Gen. Sir Robert Corbett who was the British Commander in Berlin at the time of the fall of the Berlin Wall.

We did the train trip on the Saturday, and then on Sunday did a bus trip to Zossen, south of Berlin, where Hitler had his military communications hub for all the armed forces, and we were able to do a tour through the communications centre bunker that the Russians went on to use during the Cold War.

As a side issue - 03 1010 is one of very few DB/DR locos to have carried a name - Royal Engineer - while hauling the trip (see photo of the unveiling ceremony on the Friday).
03 1010 Royal Engineer.jpg

The same group are planning some trips using Titos old train, apparently it is the only complete train from old dictators that is available. The trips will be through Poland and other Eastern European countries to Berlin. Details are to be announced in the near future.

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#42 Posted : 09 September 2015 21:27:47(UTC)
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Modellbahn Kramm are also listing the Trix Br01.5 (scroll down the page a bit), Lokshop not yet.



Showing on Lokshop for 474 EUR.

I cannot buy any more steam loco if over 400 EUR with pipe/handrail are plastic!

The pipes/handrails plastic may be susceptible to distortion.
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#43 Posted : 09 September 2015 23:26:23(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Modellbahn Kramm are also listing the Trix Br01.5 (scroll down the page a bit), Lokshop not yet.



Showing on Lokshop for 474 EUR.

I cannot buy any more steam loco if over 400 EUR with pipe/handrail are plastic!

The pipes/handrails plastic may be susceptible to distortion.


In modellbahnshop-lippe the price is 449,10 euros and post and package is (in general) cheaper to zero.
The recommended retailer price for the Trix model is 499,99 euros.
The model is not all metal (I think the cabin and some pipes are in plastic -let's wait for a review). It has light in the cabin.


Mostly Märklin H0.


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#44 Posted : 11 September 2015 14:26:05(UTC)
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From Stummi

Marklin number #39205 same price

TRIX 22905 due for September
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#45 Posted : 11 September 2015 18:40:24(UTC)
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From Stummi

Marklin number #39205 same price

TRIX 22905 due for September


Also 39206 with Oil tender. And Matching 42912 Six Coaches pack for BR01.5 (The coaches same as 4391x)
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
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#46 Posted : 11 September 2015 18:51:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: vilithejou Go to Quoted Post
From Stummi

Marklin number #39205 same price

TRIX 22905 due for September



42912 Interzonenzug

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39205

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#47 Posted : 11 September 2015 18:54:34(UTC)
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Seems the wheels of the 39206 with oil tender are the standard spoked wheels.
Mostly Märklin H0.


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#48 Posted : 11 September 2015 18:57:51(UTC)
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Lokshop list for 449 EUR (log in-404 EUR)

Both 39205 and 39206 Due for delivery this month! (42912 due October).
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#49 Posted : 11 September 2015 19:02:08(UTC)
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vilithejou - Can you add 'Marklin version' on head subject.
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#50 Posted : 11 September 2015 19:14:11(UTC)
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vilithejou - Can you add 'Marklin version' on head subject.


Done

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